minta maaflah...kami di sini memang kurang arif...tu kalau orang kata, diterima bulat-bulat kecuali ada orang kata sebaliknya..
No problem mmc,apa pun kita semua terlalu sayangkan negara bertuah ini.......
mungkin terlalu byk "tangan" dlm menentukan apa yg hendak dibeli.....:no::no:
nampaknya brahmos versi kapal dah ready for export...tapi sesuai ke utk kapal berteknologi stealth ni...satu lagi versi kapalterbang nampak gaya jauh lagi utk disediakan...so untuk sukhoi kita tak adalah nampaknya...
Brahmos is ready for export
http://idex.janes.com/docs/idex2/sections/moxiepix/b1_159.jpg
Darren Lake
The Indo-Russian joint venture set up to develop the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, named after the Indian river Brahmaputra and Russia抯 Moskva river, has made great progress in developing the system since the last IDEX show, according to CEO and managing director Dr A S Pillai.
揥e have come a long way in the past two years,
CANTIKKKK....
SSM Brahmos adalah dalam pertimbangan utk new generation SSM utk TLDM bersama dengan NSM.
Aku prefer lagi NSM sebab kecil dan stealth!!!!Walaupun Brahmos ni laju tapi dianya besar ..... tak tau le kalau kapal kita boleh bawak missile ni.
Brahmos ni kalau tak slah aku derived dari P-800 Yakhont. Yakhont pulak asal-usul dia dari SSM carrier-killer Soviet dulu (SS-N-12, SS-N-22, SS-N-19). Tu yang jadi besar tu. Kalau siapa yang ada warhead fetish mesti suka dengan Brahmos ni...kalau meletup warhead dia, alamat hard kill le. Aku minat dengan Soviet designed SSM ni bukan apa, sebab raw power, big warhead dengan big speed dia.
aku setuju dgn alphawolf, hard kill, kalau kene RAM pon entahnye can still kill (kinetic)
tapi perbezaan approach je la antara Russia/NATO, hmm
NSM pon ok, walaupon subsonic
mdmee, russian punye anti ship pon ade ciri2 stealth, plus armor and ecm (tapi tatau la version export), tu aa besar dan berat (plus bigger warhead)
-aneep-
kalau stealth .. aku rasa NSM lagi stealth dari Brahmos.
Lagi satu .. NSM ni kalay ter"miss" sasaran ... ianya boleh patah balik ke sasaran tersebut !!!!
Brahmos pula ... rasanya tak boleh sebab laju sangat ... hehehehehe .. turning cycle besar ... tapi brahmos ni boleh tukar sasaran selepas launch .. jadi kalau dia miss ... Brahmos boleh cari sasaran lain.
Anyway ... Yankont dan Brahmos ni hambir serupa .... hanya Brahmos punya computer and targeting system aje dari India.
Anyway ... both Brahmos dan NSM ada pro and con.
Kalau aku le ... RMAF pakai Brahmos utk SU-30 dan TLDM bakai NSM
Betul tu md mee,
Biar Su30MKM pakai Brahmos kerana rasa aku kapal2 kita yang sedia ada tak boleh nak integrate dengan Russia/India dengan weapons system.Dari radar,fire control,EW,layout nak kena tukar semua kalau kita memilih nak pasang Brahmos pada platform yang sedia ada kerana ianya berorientasikan barat.Tidak mungkin dan rasanya future order pun tidak akan ada platform drp Russia.
ehehe, with such a high speed approach, except ade error mase target (or dah kene countermeasure), susah nak miss dah kot (bukannye laju benor kapal compared dgn supersonic missile cam Brahmos)
i agree with Brahmos for RMAF and NSM for RMN, but i still hope to see more joint services integration with our weaponry, hmm
Vietnam punye Tarantul FAC, dgn 4x Moskit (Mach 3 high approach, Mach 2.2 low) rasenye sgt menyengat dlm peranan anti ship
-aneep-
ini cara orang singapore buat kapal perang dia..
The Straits Times, Page H2 - Wednesday, January 7, 2004
Elusive, high-tech warship packs a formidable punch
Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean is in France for a four-day visit and today he will launch the RSS Formidable, the navy's first frigate, being built in Lorient. DOMINIC NATHAN and DAVID BOEY look at what goes into the making of the new stealth warship
TO GET a feel for what makes the new frigates the most formidable ships in the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN), sneak a peek under the hood.
Packed within the hull of the 3,200-tonne, 115m-long warships is some of the latest technological wizardry and automation that will allow the frigates to detect and destroy targets above, below and under the sea, much faster and more accurately than any other RSN ship.
And their ability to operate up to 4,000 nautical miles away from port and stay out longer than any other RSN combat ship will also give the navy a far bigger presence at sea.
Six are being built now - the first by French naval shipbuilders DCN in Lorient, France, and the other five by Singapore Technologies Marine, at its Benoi Road yard.
When fully operational, sometime around 2008, the frigates will be able to perform a wide spectrum of maritime operations and deal with all threats, said Colonel Wellman Wan, operations manager of the navy's frigate programme office.
While the 76mm gun, Harpoon missiles and Eurotorp A244S torpedoes may be similar or upgraded versions of weapons already in service in other RSN ships, Col Wan pointed out that the frigates will have a much-improved capability to detect submarines and defend against attacks from sea-skimming anti-ship missiles.
But it's not just the hardware that counts, noted Mr Vincent Lim, a programme manager with the Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA), who, with a team of more than 100 engineers, put together various systems on board.
If the sensors and weapons bought off-the-shelf are the ship's eyes and arms, then DSTA made sure the locally developed brains that control them - the sophisticated command and control systems - will give the navy more bang for its buck.
'Steering the ship, as well as controlling and monitoring the various systems on board, is automated, requiring a crew of just 70, compared to more than 150 in a conventional vessel,' added Mr Lim.
There some other secrets, however, like the full extent of the ship's stealth capabilities, that will never really be known, unless you come up against it in combat.
The French La Fayette ships, on which the navy's frigates are based, use shape, special paints and building materials to seem smaller than actual size on enemy radar.
'This requires the enemy to move in closer to you, making him more vulnerable,' said Mr Lim.
That's as much as he would reveal of the new technologies that both the local engineers at DSTA and shipbuilders at ST Marine have acquired with the transfer of technology from the French.
For the stealth design to work, the workmanship at ST Marine will have to be very high as even the smallest kinks on the ship's surface could affect its 'radar signature', said a spokesman for the yard.
And just as the frigates pack more punch than any similar-sized warship, ST Marine too had to do more with less.
By automating the welding and other processes and building new facilities, ST Marine is on schedule to deliver the remaining five ships being built in a 200m by 400m yard, half the space available to their French counterparts.
Even as construction continues, the navy is preparing for the training of the new generation of servicemen who will man the frigates.
Warrant officers and specialists will be trained locally and overseas to undertake several responsibilities at the same time, said Col Wan.
'Their roles will be more specialised and more demanding,' he added.
http://www.dsta.gov.sg/home/DisplayPage/ContentPage10.asp?id=2024
Dan cuba pula bandingkan dengan cara orang kita.......
Itu bukan setakat Singapore, negara lain pun camtu.....kecuali MY!
New Corvettes for Venezuela
By Antoni Casinos
Barcelona February 20, 2005 - Venezuela will buy four corvettes from the Izar Shipyard in a contract valued between 600 & 800 million EUROs. The corvettes are believed to have the following specifications:
Length overall 102.0 m, Maximum breadth 14.0 m, Depth to the main deck 7.0 m, Full load displacement 2,600 t, Draught 3.75 m, Maximum speed + 27 kn., Cruise speed 15 kn., Cruising speed range 4000 NM, Supplies 30 days, Crew 62 persons, Helicopter staff 8 persons, Margin 10 persons
http://www.seawaves.com/daily/images/2005/March/Corbeta_Afcon_2_g.jpg
MMC,
Armanent nya lagu mana?
Pada aku berbaloi sekali.Cuba le pula bandingkan dengan NGPV.
tak tahulah saya....jumpa waktu surfing ni...mungkin lebih kurang ini kut
http://www.skibstekniskselskab.dk/download/WMTC/C5(D115).pdf
[ Last edited by mmc on 22-2-2005 at 02:38 PM ]
saja nak up balik topik nih, maleh nak bukak topik baru...............
umum telah mengetahui bahawa Msia berminat utk mendapatkan kapal2 frigat terbaru utk mempertingkatkan kredibiliti RMN, ditambah pula dengan kunjungan DPM ke London baru2 ini. pada pendapat korang apakah kapal2 yg sesuai yg boleh diberi pertimbangan utk RMN memilikinya? banyak rumors mengatakan yg new frigat nanti adalah jenis Lekiu Batch 2............ apakah keistimewaan kapal ini, dan adakah kemampuannya sama atau lebih daripada Formidable Class yg akan dimiliki oleh negara tetangga tuh?.............. sapa ada info pasal Lekiu Batch 2 ni?
seingat saya, nak tambah Lekiu Batch 2 sebb TLDM nak kurangkan kos maintainance 2 buat yg ade sekarang, so they are going for commonality
tak sampai kelas Formidable kot, Formidable pasai ASTER 15/30 among others, kecuali kalau batch 2 nie pon tukar to longer range AAM
bukan semua pembelian jiran kita, kita kene beli IMO, bukan nak arm race
beli utk memenuhi keperluan sendiri
-aneep-
Originally posted by aneep at 17-3-2005 02:34 PM:
seingat saya, nak tambah Lekiu Batch 2 sebb TLDM nak kurangkan kos maintainance 2 buat yg ade sekarang, so they are going for commonality
tak sampai kelas Formidable kot, Formidable pasai ASTER 15 ...
pembetulan aneep...formidable tu hanya pakai aster 15, anti-sam range cuma 15 km dan anti-aircraft 30km(zaman ni anti aircraft penting ka:hmm:)
In anti-missile mode the Aster 15 has a range of 15km. Aster also provides protection against manned and unmanned aircraft to a range of 30km.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/formidable/
dari segi weaponary, laksamana kita dah sepadan dengan kemampuan dia harpoon dengan otomat, aspide vs aster 15, 76mm vs 76mm....cuma laksanamana takde organic heli...nak kira stealth node, platform kecik dah semulajadi low RCS....tu saya selalu hairan apasal formidable ini selalu diagung2kan dan ditakuti:stp:
kalaupun lekiu dan frigate baru dipasang dengan vl mica pun dah cukup untuk jadi setanding dengan mana-mana kapal di rantau ini, armada china tak termasuk...