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ROCK/METAL VS HIP HOP/RAP

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Post time 2-1-2006 02:38 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by johan at 1-1-2006 10:26 PM


aku dah jumpa...  utusan karya yg published mastika... siap ada forum dlm tu...  so sapa nak basuh wartawan2 mastika tu .. dipersilakan

[url]http://www.utusankarya.com.my/index.php?ch=13& ...


              Ahh, bohong suma tuh geng.  Kita BOM le cmana pun takde effect.  Komplen komplen, kuar lagi lagu Hip hop yg tak best tuh dlm tv, radio, 24 jam.  Ada ring tones buduh lagi plak.  Siap kalo ada album baru hip hoppers buleh kuar tv ke suratkabar, promosi tetek.  Pecaya lah geng, gua dah anto byk komplen dlm surat kabar, tanya solan pun tak jawab.  Nak nak guna online nih, mmg diorang tak kuarkan.  Tapi kalo bab bab yg cite pasal keburukan dan kenegetifan metal nih sekojap ajo dah kuar kt telibisyen ke suratkabar tuh.
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Post time 2-1-2006 03:36 AM | Show all posts
emm korang sebenarnyer tak puas hati sbb lagu hiphop jer ker yang di radio and not metal or handcore or rock...pasal nie ke...? rite me if i'm wrong...sebenarnyer i's a universal listener...dulu i'm soooo into hiphop...and i think suma music ader baik and ader buruk...pasal hiphop nie...whut i know...diorang ader 4 elements which is dj,emcee,bboy and grafitti...and for me...i kinda like da elements coz dj is a very skillful act..how to produce beats,mix songs and of course scratching...emcee is all about da words...how to express feelings..most of the hiphop singers macam eminem, bone thugs and harmony,50 cents and so forth..their song is about them..it just a matter of expressing themselves in a rap way..gitu ah...grafitti is about creativity...but sumtimes creativitiy ni tak ditulis atas medium yang sepatutnyer...and bboy is bout dancing and i guess kebanyakan org suka dance suma kalau hiphop nie cara diorang dance is thru bboy laaa..like how da skins skank and the metals headbang...

i rasa takder sbb kot nak membenci sesame genre nie coz all of them is music....i enjoy listening to hiphop as well as meta/hc/rock...i do enjoy listening to langsuir, love me butch,disagree,acab,tempered metal....green day...alkaline trio,oasis...and the list go on....

cuma aper yang membengangkan peeps is the bad assumption society have towards issues such as black metal.(until certain kinda of metal music have been banned of put into probition,i.e album langsuir yang tak dpt nak release b'cpz goverment ingatkan diorang nyer music same concept as black metal when they are actually death metal)..so i think its up to u guys to play da role...u have to tell and put up an example to the society yang metal/hc/rock is actually music...music that actually eases out ear...takder kene mengena ngan merosakkan agama or norma masyarakat....aite...:D...

just my point of view....
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Post time 2-1-2006 07:59 AM | Show all posts
Hah baru le ada kena dgn thread nih.  Nama pun Rock/metal VS hip hop/Rap.  So semua ada hak untuk suarakan pendapat masing masing.  Tapi gua tetap takleh terima muzik hip hop ni.  Camana lu bagi ada 14 ke 40 elements ke atau expression, gua tetap takleh terima, ia tetap satu muzik yg takde seni.  

           Benda ni bersangkut paut, Bukan jeles tapi sakit ati jugak geng.  Abiis media media lembu asek jolok sarang metal je.  Tak sempat nak betelor dah kena julok lagi.  Tak membangun le muzik kt Msia tuh.  

           Bagus la lu geng, dgr Langsuir berulamkan 50 posen, gua mintak maap dulu gua tak buleh.  Umpama makan sambil berak sembelit.  Ni pun pendapat gua je
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Post time 2-1-2006 11:43 AM | Show all posts
ok, here goes my comment.. sbg seorg peminat muzik hip-hop. aku just nak kata yg kalau korang tak paham seni muzik hip-hop sebenarnya, tak payah ler nak kutuk. tak semua muzik hip-hop macam yg korang cakap tu. malah, ader gak muzik hip-hop yg berunsurkan keIslaman spt mecca 2 medina, dsb. malah, penjualan album hip-hop berteraskan Islam mempunyai pasaran seluas hampir US$1 billion.

ader hip-hop bagus, ader yg tak. yg bagus.. korang dengarlah macam common, erykah badu, the roots, dsb.. instead of blaming the whole hip-hop communities based on lame performances by 50 cent, eminem dsb. lagipun, hip-hop ader ker memuja setan? aku nak tengok sket lirik lagu hip-hop yg ader berunsur pemujaan setan. kalau black metal tu ader lar kot.

tapi metal band yg aku minat ialah KORN. sbb diorang berjaya incorporate muzik diorang dgn hip-hop walaupun tak berapa nampak. kalau tak kerana KORN, aku takkan suka langsung muzik metal.
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 Author| Post time 2-1-2006 11:54 AM | Show all posts
KoRn adalah perosak muzik metal..Kalau tak silap aku korn la yg band yang mula2 dikenali sbg kumpulan NU METAL..NU METAL SUCK.NU METAL ni la yg bangang..pasal apa bangang pasal campur elemen rap dalm muzik metal macam Linkin Pork dan band2 yg sewaktunya dengannya..Aku cukup benci band yeng mendakwa adalah metal tapi ada turntable dan campur elemnn2 rap..*****..NU METAL = UN METAL ...tak layak pun digelar band metal
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Post time 2-1-2006 12:02 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Muntz at 2-1-2006 11:43 AM
ok, here goes my comment.. sbg seorg peminat muzik hip-hop. aku just nak kata yg kalau korang tak paham seni muzik hip-hop sebenarnya, tak payah ler nak kutuk. tak semua muzik hip-hop macam yg kora ...


Ok ok, fair and positive.  Gua amat menghormati komen Tuan Mod.  Tapi jangan le asek sebut puja setan je.  Metal tidak seperti yang orang orang luaran sangkakan.  Aduh... Penyanyi Korn pun pakai subang gak kat Hidung dia 50sen pun ada tatu gak, dtg dari barat jugak...  

Korn metal sangat ke? he he
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Post time 2-1-2006 12:05 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ChildrenOfBodom at 2-1-2006 11:54 AM
KoRn adalah perosak muzik metal..Kalau tak silap aku korn la yg band yang mula2 dikenali sbg kumpulan NU METAL..NU METAL SUCK.NU METAL ni la yg bangang..pasal apa bangang pasal campur elemen rap da ...


gua sependapat ngan lu bodom, tapi meh gua kipas lu dulu geng... :bodek::bodek:
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 Author| Post time 2-1-2006 02:16 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by possubH2 at 2-1-2006 12:02 PM


Ok ok, fair and positive.  Gua amat menghormati komen Tuan Mod.  Tapi jangan le asek sebut puja setan je.  Metal tidak seperti yang orang orang luaran sangkakan.  Aduh... Penyanyi Korn pun paka ...


betul, jangan asyik kata asal metal saja sembah setan (ada orang pernah buka thread tajuk macam ni kat borad current issues sebelum ni)

black metal hanyalah genre muzik iaitu bukannya ajaran sesat.ada band black metal dari Singapura yg membawa mesej anti-zionis(aku dengar dlm program WHI)

memang tak dpt dinafikan ada band black metal yg tulis lirik yg satanist, tapi bukan semua macam tu.Apa yg penting kat sini ialah mesej yg dibawa dlm lagu.Bukan semua band bm bawak mesej satanist..
Genre muzik apa pun boleh tulis lirik yg satanist.pop yeh2, hip hop etc.
Bukanlah kewajipan utk main style black metal kena ada lirik satanist..
lirik lagu Rossa - Pudar yg selalu main kat radio era pun ada perkataan setan.
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Post time 2-1-2006 04:47 PM | Show all posts
perkara kecil yg boleh menjadi isu sentitif..

bagi aku,pemikiran pihak berkuasa yg double standard merupakan faktor utama kenapa music metal dipandang serong masyarakat..diorang nih sibuk menuduh music metal merosakkan,melalaikan,bla bla bla..

hey,c'mon..habis tuh music hiphop,pop,dangdut,sumer tuh tak melalaikan dan tak merosakkan la??semua music boleh jadi merosakkan/melalaikan..sumer music boleh ada lirik yg bawa mesej sembah setan..bukannya music metal ajer!!c'mon laa..cuba la berfikiran terbuka sikit..siapa kata music metal wajib sembah setan,makan babi??

metal hanyalah jenis music..tak kiralah black metal,death metal,nu metal,bla bla bla..ini semua ialah jenis music..lirik sembah setan sumer tuh terpulang kepada band yg main music tu..ruffedge,ve,too phat,siti nurhaliza pun boleh selit lirik sembah setan gak..

apa yg aku meluat ialah golongan2 yg kononnya alim benar la nih..diorang sibuk kata anak2 muda skang nih dah rosak laa,itu laa,ini laaa..music metal ni music setan laa..music metal ni merosakkan akidah laaa..music metal ni melalaikan umat laaa..tapi,golongan nih tidak mengentam music2 lain yg juga ternyata boleh melalaikan dan merosakkan..malah,diorang menggemarinya!!
apa yg aku maksudkan,diorang nih sibuk tuduh music metal nih yg buat umat2 islam rosak..tapi diorang nih suka pulak dgr lagu hiphop,pop,mawi,siti nurhaliza..

adoiii..c'mon laa!!lagu2 mawi,siti nurhaliza,bla bla bla sumer tuh baik benar ke?tak melalaikan ke?boleh mengukuhkan iman ke??bagi aku,sumer jenis music boleh melalaikan!!kenapa nak tuduh music metal jer yg melalaikan??DOUBLE STANDARD btul!!

aku dgr semua jenis music asalkan lagu tuh sedap ditelinga aku..aku suka lagu2 siti nurhaliza,mawi,ruffedge,ve,bla bla bla..malah,aku layan jugak music hiphop..aku suka lagu2 eminem,d12,linkin park,limb bizkit,cypress hill,house of pain,too phat,bla bla bla..terus terang aku cakap,music hiphop dulu mmg best..cuma masalahnya KEBANYAKKAN lagu hiphop SEKARANG mcm hampeh..dah kurang seninya..banyak melalut,mencarut ntah aper2,chorus tahap sampah,rythm merapu..

aku  juga suka tgk akademi fantasia..aku hormat semua jenis music yg berseni..music is universal..semua org ada hak masing2 nak dgr music apa pun..i know.. and i respect that..tapi apa yg aku tak puas hati sekarang ialah MENTALITI golongan2 yg berfikiran secara DOUBLE STANDARD terhadap music metal nih..
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Post time 2-1-2006 05:00 PM | Show all posts
satu lagi yg aku tak suka ialah sikap followers music metal nih yg terlalu dan terlebih taksub sampai makan babi,sembah setan,pijak Al-Quran,bla bla bla..diorang ingat diorang nih true mat metal la kononnya..hakikatnya,diorang nih la yg merosakkan,mencemarkan,dan membusukkan nama serta martabat music metal..diorang nih hanyalah sekadar POSERS..

yg tak bestnya,media2 massa mcm mastika,metro,dan yg sewaktu dgn nya ni percaya bulat2 kepada kata2 dan pengakuan2 karut mat2 metal yg taksub a.k.a. posers nih..akibatnya,masyarkat pon terus pandang serong kat music metal..
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Post time 2-1-2006 05:27 PM | Show all posts
well said, powerpuff...

tujuan aku ada kat sini pun ekceli bukan nak compare which one is better... konar mana2 pun, it goes back to its root: music.

cuma i'm not very pleased by the way you guys make comparison between metal and hip hop, of course lah as kipas-susah-mati metal; you guys only see the good side of metal and the evil side of hip hop, which is very unfair.
yeah, they sell sex, then again they have the power to make their music outstanding to the market. is it just because of half-naked b1tch? Nope, i don't think so... but they convey their music in a way that is acceptable to the community. their creativity to express their thoughts through graffiti for me is superb... ingat senang2 k nak terus conteng2 dinding jadi lawa...

aku tak suka muzik hip hop. if u ask me, i rather listen to metal than eminem ke...limaposen ke... i realize that some metal band punya lirik are very powerful. powerful in a sense that they use words yang org kena carik kat kamus baru paham...
but the way the present themselves to other people somewhat seems very...urmm...awkward.. kat tempat aku nih ada a bunch of guys who claimed themselves as the-very-the-metal lah konon...oh well, they really are. Bila main gitar org yang tengok tuh terasa aura, bila tulis lagu kengkadang lagi best dari puisi shakesphere... tapi cara mereka bawak diri tu...hmmm...

i think, personally lah, it's not because of the music yang buat metal ni diharamkan etc, cuma cara "metal-lover" ( tak tau nak kasik definisi apa) express themselves (through clothing, gesture etc) tu is quite unacceptable to the public...
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Post time 2-1-2006 05:32 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by shadowmoon at 2-1-2006 05:00 PM
satu lagi yg aku tak suka ialah sikap followers music metal nih yg terlalu dan terlebih taksub sampai makan babi,sembah setan,pijak Al-Quran,bla bla bla..diorang ingat diorang nih true mat metal la ...


ntah le...aku tengok mastika tu takat nak jual majalh je... takde idea, dia bedal le anak2 mude... cuba suruh serang golongan tua pulak...laki yang dah nak mampus tapi berjoli kat disko dangdut... berani dierorg nak buat cite...?

dengan bebudak 20 tahun, berani lah nak buat citer...
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Post time 2-1-2006 09:31 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Muntz at 2-1-2006 11:43 AM
ok, here goes my comment.. sbg seorg peminat muzik hip-hop. aku just nak kata yg kalau korang tak paham seni muzik hip-hop sebenarnya, tak payah ler nak kutuk. tak semua muzik hip-hop macam yg kora ...


AKU TAK SUKE LANGSUNG MUZIK HIPHOP,
kenyataan peribadi kiter tak boleh disangkal
tak boleh kiter menafikan hak seseorang.
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Post time 2-1-2006 11:21 PM | Show all posts
kalo la btol pihak radio sygkn muzik....depa patut pasang lagu metal skali...hardcore..sbb bkn hip-hop jer muzik[anyway,aku xanggap hip-hop tu muzik]....sampai biler derang nk pasang lagu yg sama jer????....f**k  media!!!
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 Author| Post time 2-1-2006 11:24 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by tutankhamun! at 2-1-2006 09:31 PM


AKU TAK SUKE LANGSUNG MUZIK HIPHOP,
kenyataan peribadi kiter tak boleh disangkal
tak boleh kiter menafikan hak seseorang.


Aku pun benci nak mampus hip hop.kalau nak dilistkan senarai benda yg aku benci hip hop ada dlm list tu..

muzik metal bukan shj digemari oleh orang biasa tetapi jugak org bepelajaran tinggi seperti peguam,pensyarah dsbnya..
jelas membuktikan bahawa org2 berpelajaran pun menghargai metal dan nampak kepositifan dlm muzik metal.Orang2 berpelajaran sudah tentu nampak sesuatu yg menarik dlm muzik metal drp org yg tidak berpelajaran (wartawan mastika,metro,media) yg selalu nampak benda negatif dlm metal.
Dekat Sweden menteri dia pun layan metal
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Post time 2-1-2006 11:32 PM | Show all posts
kalo nk kire lirik rosak akidah,lirik kerana mu malaysia tu pon rosakkan akidah...kalo lagu metal ader unsur setan,pendengar leh nmpk jelas dan leh elakkan...tapi unsur2 yg rosakkan akidah dlm lagu hip-hop mmg ssh nk nmpk...tu lagi bahaya...pikir bebbb!!...mle2 sruh dedah aurat..tayang sana tayang sini....pastu seks..pastu????....aku rasa bdak hop leh jwb soklan ni..ciawWwW...
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Post time 3-1-2006 01:23 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ~boolean at 2-1-2006 05:27 PM

cuma i'm not very pleased by the way you guys make comparison between metal and hip hop, of course lah as kipas-susah-mati metal; you guys only see the good side of metal and the evil side of hip hop, which is very unfair.
yeah, they sell sex, then again they have the power to make their music outstanding to the market. is it just because of half-naked b1tch? Nope, i don't think so... but they convey their music in a way that is acceptable to the community. their creativity to express their thoughts through graffiti for me is superb... ingat senang2 k nak terus conteng2 dinding jadi lawa...

aku tak suka muzik hip hop. if u ask me, i rather listen to metal than eminem ke...limaposen ke... i realize that some metal band punya lirik are very powerful. powerful in a sense that they use words yang org kena carik kat kamus baru paham...
but the way the present themselves to other people somewhat seems very...urmm...awkward.. kat tempat aku nih ada a bunch of guys who claimed themselves as the-very-the-metal lah konon...oh well, they really are. Bila main gitar org yang tengok tuh terasa aura, bila tulis lagu kengkadang lagi best dari puisi shakesphere... tapi cara mereka bawak diri tu...hmmm...

i think, personally lah, it's not because of the music yang buat metal ni diharamkan etc, cuma cara "metal-lover" ( tak tau nak kasik definisi apa) express themselves (through clothing, gesture etc) tu is quite unacceptable to the public...


Ok le geng.  Cite cmni le heh.  Gua buleh terima opinion lu nih.  Tapi camana pun gua percaya yang statement yg telah gua bold kan di atas tu tidak tepat sama sekali.  Gua pelik camana buleh conteng dinding tu lu kata diterima masyarakat?? Camana diorang bawak diri tu masyarakat terima?? Betul ke?  aduh takleh terima gua.  Orang yang taksub dan terikut ikut je buleh terima budaya ni.  Gua pecaya orang dah mmg lama anak tiri kan bukan sahaja metal, tapi ROCK biasa.  Tu pasal benda tak elok pada hip hoppers pun nampak elok dan molek.  Anyway boolean you've shot a good response.  

For me, these bugers got nothing special.  Suma muzik buleh terpesong, ikut masing masing mcm yg Bodom dan Tutan cakap.  Understanding this thread topics, gua pecaya kita sedang buat perdebatan positif.  Gua tetap dengan dunia metal gua sendiri yang susah orang nak paham.  Dan last... democratically, gua benci dengan budaya hip hop.
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Post time 3-1-2006 01:36 AM | Show all posts
HIP HOP/RAP RULEZZZZ!!!!!!!!
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Post time 3-1-2006 01:47 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by amievil at 3-1-2006 01:36 AM
HIP HOP/RAP RULEZZZZ!!!!!!!!


yes, dan pengikut dia tuh lurus bendOl skit macam RULEZZZZ (PEMBARIS)!!!!
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Post time 3-1-2006 01:57 AM | Show all posts
yes, dan pengikut2 metal semua kurang ajar no skool :lol
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