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[Tempatan]
Tragedi MH17 V6 : Preliminary Report
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razhar posted on 10-9-2014 07:47 PM 
BM anda ada kurang baik....
so apa conclusion kes FDR ni? bila report kata sudden demise p ...
bukan kah sudah dijawab, sila tujuk kiriman no 168, paragraph pertama.
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Kittie posted on 10-9-2014 08:07 PM
Perenggan.
oopsss.. hahaha 
dulu kawan kawan amik spm, saya amik MCE...
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kelana36 posted on 11-9-2014 12:10 AM
oopsss.. hahaha
dulu kawan kawan amik spm, saya amik MCE...
ye la tu....
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kiriman???? |
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bluemenx posted on 11-9-2014 12:03 AM
ish....cun le bentuk bulat shrapnel tu ye...
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razhar posted on 10-9-2014 10:43 PM
tu bley rujuk kat inche zain mahmud aka mr.disgrace tu....
Haha razhar...kebetulan aeroautik i like
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alphawolf posted on 10-9-2014 03:46 PM
Pasal kesan kat bumbung ya....masa perang Vietnam, ada SAM Vietnam yang proximity fuse meledak kat sisi malah kat atas pesawat Amerika. Dan bila meletup mana ada efek letupan yang 100% sama bagi setiap ledakan?
Kalau ada bukti yang SAM meledak kat bahagian atas, dan bagaimana corak shrapnel yang terbentuk, boleh share kat sini?
Interesting jugak ni point ni.
Last edited by mnm77 on 11-9-2014 08:55 AM
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razhar posted on 9-9-2014 10:32 PM
ketepikan SU25...ce tgk MIG29..fast..high enough....to...
So razhar the konspirator, yg mana satu ni, su 25 ka mig29?
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razhar posted on 10-9-2014 06:57 PM
lu ni..x baca kaaa....dia x mahu org duk tanya 'KNP'..dia suh kita semua diam..tutup mulut..pi ked ...
Alaa... apa salahnya bincang dengan dia juga.... walaupun beza pendapat, jika ilmiah, kita raikan. Pasal yang dia suruh dok diam tu sebab dia baca dan percaya pasal SAM sekali hit dah hancur (pro Ukraine punya accusation), itu hak dia...
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mnm77 posted on 11-9-2014 07:51 AM
Boleh saya tahu point yang ni (kesan pada bumbung) untuk menyokong SAM atau nak kata bukan SAM ...
Mr. Foster said “most of the smaller holes appear to have been caused by a high-velocity projectile, as opposed to shearing or tearing caused by the forceful separation of the panel from the airframe.” He said the SA-11 family of missiles was designed to destroy fast-moving military aircraft at high elevations. Rather than striking an aircraft directly, the missiles intercept the targeted aircraft and then explode near it, creating a cloud of shrapnel.
bumbung tu bahagian mana? Tepi atas kiri? 10 oclock, 11 oclock position?
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mnm77 posted on 11-9-2014 07:57 AM
Alaa... apa salahnya bincang dengan dia juga.... walaupun beza pendapat, jika ilmiah, kita raikan. ...
At least u have the brain, thats good. Keep it up. Yes i believe the acraft was disable with one missile hit n nothing more, since the buk has the capability to do just that.
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kelana36 posted on 10-9-2014 07:28 PM
ada eyewitness nampak plane tu bertukar haluan or u turn ke kiri atau spiralled arah kiri sebelum breaking up, mungkin sebab left wing dia dah spoilt, berpusing dgn sendiri, atau left engine dah rosak.. the momentum menyebabkan bahagian belakang dari cockpit jatuh kedepan dari cockpit.
Jadi ada kemungkinan missile shrapnel kena sayap kiri menyebabkan 777 pusing kiri.... ini menguatkan teori AA missile yang ditembak dari bahagian kiri.
Kalau SAM yang dikatakan dilancar dari depan, sukar nak pertahan teori bahagian kiri cockpit dan sayap kena attack. Tapi boleh jadi SAM meletup di sebelah kiri pun ada kemungkinan...
Last edited by mnm77 on 11-9-2014 08:47 AM
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zainmahmud posted on 11-9-2014 07:59 AM
Mr. Foster said “most of the smaller holes appear to have been caused by a high-velocity projecti ...
Mr Foster tu wakil media barat, bukan official Dutch punya conclusion
Mr. Foster said “most of the smaller holes appear to have been caused by a high-velocity projectile, as opposed to shearing or tearing caused by the forceful separation of the panel from the airframe.” He said the SA-11 family of missiles was designed to destroy fast-moving military aircraft at high elevations. Rather than striking an aircraft directly, the missiles intercept the targeted aircraft and then explode near it, creating a cloud of shrapnel.
bumbung tu bahagian mana? Tepi atas kiri? 10 oclock, 11 oclock position?
Dari bahagian atas cockpit la, tembus masuk, tembus lantai cockpit..
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mnm77 posted on 11-9-2014 08:03 AM
Jadi ada kemungkinan missile shrapnel kena sayap kiri menyebabkan 777 pusing kiri.... ini mengua ...
Bila kokpit tu terputus dari badan pesawat pon dah cukup menyebabkan kapai tu berpusing sebab tujahan angin n aerodinamik kapai yg dah tak seimbang.
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mnm77 posted on 11-9-2014 08:06 AM
Mr Foster tu wakil media barat, bukan official Dutch punya conclusion
So kalau misil tu burst dari 10' or 11 o'clock position kokpit tak cukup ke utk shrapnel tembus dari ats pesawat?
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zainmahmud posted on 11-9-2014 08:10 AM
So kalau misil tu burst dari 10' or 11 o'clock position kokpit tak cukup ke utk shrapnel tembus da ...
Then macamana nak justify kesan tembus masuk shrapnel dari sebelah kiri cockpit?
Jeng... jeng...jeng.....
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zainmahmud posted on 11-9-2014 08:10 AM
So kalau misil tu burst dari 10' or 11 o'clock position kokpit tak cukup ke utk shrapnel tembus da ...
1. Yang tembus dari atas tu lebih hampir coraknya untuk match 30mm canon, juga terus tembus ke bawah lantai (rasanya Tuan Kelana pun setuju)
2. Missile shrapnel tu coraknya walaupun mungkin banyak yang constant size, ada kesan tembus berbalar-balar, banyak kesan dragging force (macam kat kiri cockpit, bukan dari atas)
3. Missile akan meletup bila close proximity. Kalau ditembak dari bawah (SAM) tapi hanya meletup kat atas 777, susah nak justify takkan missile tu terlajak? Tapi kalau betul ia berlaku macam tu, bagaimana nak jelaskan yang kat tepi cockpit pula?
Last edited by mnm77 on 11-9-2014 09:17 AM
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mnm77 posted on 11-9-2014 07:57 AM
Alaa... apa salahnya bincang dengan dia juga.... walaupun beza pendapat, jika ilmiah, kita raikan. ...
kalo 1 missile saja hit, pasti sbahagian tempat yg tertentu yg kena... kalo kena bhgian tengah pesawat, pilot msh sempat buat mayday2 call...
sy suspect 2 missile hit, 1 bhgian tgh & 1 lg bahagian ekor yg dlancarkan scara serentak, beza mungkin dlm 3-5 seconds...
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yaminz posted on 11-9-2014 08:36 AM
kalo 1 missile saja hit, pasti sbahagian tempat yg tertentu yg kena... kalo kena bhgian tengah pes ...
kalo 1 missile saja hit, pasti sbahagian tempat yg tertentu yg kena... kalo kena bhgian tengah pesawat, pilot msh sempat buat mayday2 call...
sy suspect 2 missile hit, 1 bhgian tgh & 1 lg bahagian ekor yg dlancarkan scara serentak, beza mungkin dlm 3-5 seconds...
Susah nak kata sempat buat mayday call kalau kena letupan, walaupun baru kena sekali...
Bayangkan sudden pressure change dalam cabin, tak sempat pilot nak sebut apa apa bila ia berlaku dalam masa yang sangat cepat.
Cuma yang saya nak tahu, saya yakin black box tentu rakam masa letupan tu bunyi macamana, tapi tak tahu lah akan didedahkan atau tak...
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