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Tragedi MH17 V6 : Preliminary Report
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Takde pulak tunjuk perasaan protes kat kedutaan ukraine ek..
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MH17: Belum Ada Pelawaan Malaysia Sertai Siasatan[size=0.688em]Diterbitkan: Selasa, 18 November 2014 7:59 AM
 [size=0.75em]Anggota pasukan siasatan Belanda memerhatikan kerja-kerja mengumpul serpihan pesawat MH17.
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[size=0.98em]KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia belum terlibat dalam siasatan jenayah berhubung insiden pesawat Penerbangan Malaysia (MAS) MH17 ditembak jatuh walaupun pasukan penyiasat yang diketuai Lembaga Keselamatan Belanda sudah memulakan operasi.
Duta Besar Malaysia ke Belanda, Datuk Dr Fauziah Mohd Taib berkata, Malaysia tidak dijemput secara rasmi menyertai Pasukan Siasatan Bersama (JIT).
Malaysia pada masa ini hanya menjadi sebahagian daripada pasukan siasatan teknikal MH17.
Perdana Menteri Belanda, Mark Rutte ketika lawatannya ke Malaysia pada 5 November lalu berkata Malaysia wajar diberikan peranan yang lebih penting dalam siasatan insiden berkenaan.
Ini disebabkan oleh bilangan yang ramai rakyat Malaysia yang terkorban dan MH17 adalah pesawat dari negara ini.
Menurut Fauziah, antara isu yang timbul ialah Belanda juga perlu berbincang dengan kerajaan Ukraine dan Australia.
"Perdana Menteri Belanda tidak boleh buat keputusan sendirian. Beliau juga perlu mendapatkan persetujuan daripada Australia dan Ukraine, "kata Fauziah.
Tambah Fauziah, Malaysia tidak dijemput untuk menyertai operasi mengumpul bukti di lokasi nahas mungkin kerana ia masih tidak selamat.
Sementara itu Duta Besar Malaysia ke Ukraine, Chuah Teong Ban percaya Malaysia tidak akan dibenarkan untuk memeriksa serpihan itu melainkan jika negara ini menjadi sebahagian daripada pasukan siasatan jenayah tersebut.
Penerbangan MH17 bersama 298 penumpang dan anak kapalnya ditembak jatuh di wilayah timur Ukraine yang bergolak ketika dalam perjalanan ke Kuala Lumpur dari Amsterdam pada 17 Julai tahun ini.
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stinger_attack posted on 18-11-2014 07:36 AM 
Kau tak payah kaji Lagi lah....yang mati pun seme dah lepas soal kubur masing masing.....kan?
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Hehehe...tak kaji pun takpa.... bukan ada paksaan pun 
Kalaupun semua yang mati tu dah lepas soal kubur mereka, waris yang masih hidup tu tak perlu ambil tahu apa yang sebenarnya berlaku?
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mixed posted on 18-11-2014 09:06 AM
MH17: Belum Ada Pelawaan Malaysia Sertai SiasatanDiterbitkan: Selasa, 18 November 2014 7:59 AM
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Ukraine sangat takut dan GABRA kalau Malaysia sertai siasatan....
Kan Malaysia dah buktikan boleh 'deal' dengan puak pemisah Ukraine...
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mnm77 posted on 18-11-2014 10:17 AM
Hehehe...tak kaji pun takpa.... bukan ada paksaan pun
Kalaupun semua yang mati tu dah lep ...
Let it go...let it go.....frozen.......
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Ada lg cebisan mayat dijumpai
MH17 crash debris finally retrieved for analysis, more human remains recovered
Dutch investigators have begun evacuating debris of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 from the crash site in eastern Ukraine. Human rights activists are addressing the UN and OSCE, warning the investigation is being either delayed on purpose or suppressed.
More human remains have been recovered by experts during the latest debris retrieval operation at the crash site, the Dutch government reported. The remains will be transported to the Ukrainian city of Kharkov for further examination, before being sent to the Netherlands as part of the investigation.
Estimated to last from five to 10 days, the recovery is partial, as investigators have opted to mark only those pieces of debris they are interested in, leaving the rest behind. The works are being supervised by the Dutch Safety Board investigators and observed by the OSCE.
Local emergency workers of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) are using cranes to load up large fragments of the Boeing 777 on trucks to take them to the nearby Torez railway station, where the debris is unloaded on to the platforms. After the wreckage is shipped to the Netherlands through Kharkov, the fragments will reconstruct parts of the Boeing in order to find out what kind of weapon caused the catastrophe.
A detailed analysis of the crashed Boeing debris could help establish how exactly the plane was brought down.
Authorities of the village of Grabovo, near which the debris fell, have already handed a number of personal items to investigators, including passports and credit cards retrieved by the locals.
Immediately after MH17 crashed on July 17, investigators could not reach the site for some time because of the high-intensity combat ongoing in the region between the Ukrainian Army and self-defense forces of the DPR.
Even after the investigation teams were allowed to work on the crash site, the area suffered repeated shelling, preventing investigative activities from proceeding and damaging evidence.
The Dutch investigators published a preliminary report in September, which said that the plane crashed “as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside.”
In late October the chief Dutch prosecutor investigating the MH17 downing in eastern Ukraine did not exclude the possibility that the Boeing may have been shot down from the air, Der Spiegel reported.
Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down by as-yet unknown means in the sky over eastern Ukraine. The debris fell to earth some 60km from the Russian-Ukrainian border. All 298 passengers and crew aboard died, among them 196 Dutch citizens.
Russian human rights activists have addressed the UN, claiming that the investigation of the MH17 crash has been intentionally suppressed.
Georgy Fedorov, member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, believes the tragedy of MH17 is being deferred on purpose and that the slow pace of investigation speaks towards that.
“We’ve addressed all [possible] organizations to form an international commission based on the UN and OSCE to investigate the crash, but there’s no result so far,” Fedorov told RIA Novosti, pointing out that authorities of the DPR have always been ready to let experts freely work at the crash site.
“Looks like somebody wants to hush up the story, once they failed to put the blame for it on Russia,” Fedorov said, promising to make the Public Chamber address the UN and Ukrainian government to bring the investigation to an end without delay.
On the contrary, the chairman of the Russian president’s Human Rights Council, Mikhail Fedotov, believes there’s no need speed up the investigation.
“We’re ready to wait patiently for the results,” Fedotov said, as cited by RIA Novosti, urging that experts not be rushed, because the world community and the civil society of the countries that lost their citizens in the crash expect “not politicized, but objective and authoritative conclusions from the experts.”
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tingat pulak dgn MH17... lama dah takda update
MH17: hundreds of human remains still unidentified
Thursday 18 December 2014 21.41 GMT
A sign reading ‘No entrance! There may be remains of the victims of flight MH17 crash at the territory’ is seen at the MH17 crash site in the Donetsk region of Ukraine. Photograph: Maxim Shemetov/Reuters
The family of a British student who was travelling to Australia when he died on MH17 has revealed there are still 700 fragments of human remains to be identified in the Netherlands.
Ben Pocock, 20, was en route to Perth to study at the University of Western Australia when Malaysia Airlines flight 17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine in mid-July.
Ben’s father, Jeremy Pocock, says his family has been fortunate in a way because they’ve been able to recover quite a lot of his body.
“But we are one of those families that will almost certainly have to go through the process of dealing with further identifications,” he told BBC TV.
“Only a few days ago we were informed that there are another 700 fragments of human tissue or bones yet to be identified and that’s a process that’s going to go until April or May.
“So there are a lot of families that are going to be receiving news of yet more identifications over the coming months and we may be one of them.”
Authorities announced in early December that some fragments of all 38 Australians who died on MH17 had at last been formally identified.
There were 298 people on board the plane when it crashed.
Mr Pocock said four Dutch families were still waiting for loved ones to be identified and even where identification had been possible in some cases it was “minimal”.
Many believe Russian-backed rebels shot down MH17 on July 17, but the exact cause remains unknown.
“The most important question for me and for my family - and all the other families I should imagine - is what happened and who did it?” Mr Pocock said.
“They must be held to account. That’s it - that’s the bottom line.
“(But) we have to be careful that we don’t jump the gun and that we’ve got all the evidence and it’s properly gathered.”
The first sections of wreckage arrived in the Netherlands last week.
Australia’s lead envoy in the investigation, Angus Houston, expects the wreckage will indicate what happened.
But the criminal investigation into who’s responsible will be “exceedingly difficult”, he cautioned last week.
Ben, an international business student, was heading to Australia for six months of study and travel.
Mr Pocock said his wife Louise would have liked a final coffee with Ben at Bristol airport but he was so excited he headed straight through to the gates.
“So we said our goodbyes, we had a hug and that was it,” Mr Pocock said.
“We watched him go off into departures and ... we never saw him again.”
Ben’s younger sister, Emily, said grieving had been very strange because her brother was supposed to be in Australia for six months anyway.
“He wasn’t supposed to be at home,” she told the BBC.
“So we’ve had a hard time actually accepting what’s happened.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/19/mh17-hundreds-of-human-remains-still-unidentified
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Saya nasihatkan dua budak yg bertekak isu peribadi dalam thread ni diam. Sebelum kamu di ban dari thread ni. |
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Why the Secrecy on the Mh17 Investigation
by JAMES O'NEILL
On 17 July 2014 Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine.
Although the precise circumstances were at that point unknown the western media were quick to blame Ukrainian “rebels”. The means by which MH17 was destroyed, the media alleged, was a surface to air BUK missile supplied to the “rebels” by Russia. For a host of reasons it was almost certainly not a BUK missile that caused the crash. The stage was set however, for a demonization of Russia in general as the alleged supplier of the missile, and President Vladimir Putin in particular. The relentless propaganda enforcing this view has continued unabated to this day, although the evidential foundation for the allegations remains at best remote.
The Russians produced an initial denial of involvement. Four days after the tragedy however, as anti-Russian hysteria was escalating to extreme levels, the Russian military held a press presentation. The fact of this presentation was barely reported in the western media. The content, more importantly, was either ignored or misrepresented.
The Russians disclosed, inter alia, their radar and satellite data. These data showed that MH17 had been diverted from its scheduled route so that it flew directly over the war zone in eastern Ukraine. They asked for an explanation but one has never been forthcoming. These data also showed that MH17 had been shadowed during its last minutes by two SU25 fighter jets, a model flown by the Ukrainian air force. Again the Russians asked why this had happened.
The main response was a claim that the SU25 could not fly above 10,000 metres. Not only is this untrue, as an examination of military resources readily demonstrates, but the Wikipedia entry on the SU25 had been altered days before the shoot down to claim that the SU25’s operating ceiling was only 7000 metres. Again the western media ignored this obvious alarm bell.
The Russians further disclosed that at the precise time of the shoot down an American spy satellite was directly overhead the scene and would have recorded the sequence of events. The Russians invited the Americans to share these data with the official investigation that had been launched, but to date the Americans have failed to do so. Again, the western media are singularly incurious as to the reason for this lack of cooperation.
Under IATA Rules, the parties responsible for the investigation would be the Malaysians, as owners of the plane and home country of the airline, and the Ukrainians over whose territory the atrocity occurred. It was the Dutch however, who took the lead role, citing two facts: the plane had departed from Amsterdam; and they had suffered the largest number of their nationals as victims. The Malaysians were initially excluded from the inquiry for reasons that have never been satisfactorily explained. They were finally invited to join the Joint Inquiry on 2 December 2014.
Instead, the initial inquiry group consisted of Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium. The Australians suffered the third largest loss of life but had no standing to be one of the investigatory nations, and certainly less of a claim than the Malaysians. The Australian Prime Minister and some other politicians had been at the forefront of making extreme allegations against Russia and President Putin. Why Belgium was included remains a mystery.
On 8 August 2014 these four investigating nations signed an agreement that the results of the investigation would not be published unless all four countries agreed. This gave one of the prime suspects in the atrocity, Ukraine, an effective veto over any investigations result that attributed blame to them. This is an astonishing situation and probably without precedent in modern air crash investigations.
More significantly however, is that the existence of this secret agreement was not announced by the Australian government, nor to the best of my knowledge has any report about the existence of the agreement or its extraordinary terms, been published in any mainstream publication.
The Dutch magazine Elsevier, under Dutch Freedom of Information laws, sought a copy of the agreement. On 19 November they announced that the request had been refused on the grounds that it “could endanger the relations with other countries involved.”
An Australian citizen (name redacted) wrote to the Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development (Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss) seeking a copy of the agreement. By letter dated 15 October 2014 the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) replied on behalf of the Minister, refusing the requester a copy of the agreement as its contents were “classified.”
The present writer wrote to DFAT on 21 August 2014 seeking a copy of the agreement of 8 August 2014 under the Freedom of Information Act. The department declaimed responsibility and said that they had passed my request on to the Attorney-General’s Department. This was odd, but even odder was advice from the Attorney General that my request had been passed in turn to the Australian Federal Police who were the responsible body.
This must be the first time in Australian history since 1901 that negotiations and agreements between sovereign nations had been conducted on Australia’s behalf by the Federal Police.
On 2 December 2014 the Australian Federal Police finally gave their decision on the FOI request. It was declined on the basis that disclosure of the document (which they acknowledged existed) under section 33 would, or could reasonably be expected to, cause damage to:
(i) the security of the Commonwealth; or
(ii) the defence of the Commonwealth; or
(iii) the international relations of the Commonwealth.
The refusal also relied upon section 37(1)(a) of the Act which exempts a document if it could reasonably be said to prejudice the conduct of an investigation.
Thirdly, the Federal Police relied upon section 37(1) (c) where disclosure could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of a person.
The fourth ground of refusal was under section 37(2)(b) which exempts disclosure where it might reasonably be expected to prejudice an investigation by disclosing methods of investigation or detection of unlawful activity.
In the circumstances of this case it is very difficult to see how any of those provisions would apply. The agreement, it should be remembered, is to give any one of the four investigating countries a veto over publication of the results. A final report would be entitled to withhold details of the investigation that would truly prejudice matters of national security.
An investigation of a crash of an aeroplane is however, carried out under IATA Rules and its procedures are well established and well documented. Whose life or safety might be endangered by releasing the agreement is unspecified.
One is left with the conclusion that 33 (iii) is the real ground and the “international relations” referred to are the difficulty Australia and other nations have got themselves into by prematurely blaming Russia when all of the emerging evidence points squarely at Ukraine.
Given the existence of this agreement it is difficult to see how anyone can have any confidence in whatever final report is published by the Dutch. The preliminary report was careful not to apportion blame or even state the cause of the crash other than to say that the plane was hit a by a large number of “high velocity objects” which were undefined.
Another major question is why have the mainstream media kept up a barrage of misinformation up to and including the recent G20 debacle, when they know, or ought to know that the investigation is a sham?
It is also difficult to see how the continued demonization of Russia and Mr Putin for manifestly geo-political reasons (and the probable reasons for the shoot down in the first place) represents any form of justice for the families of the 298 victims and in particular the 37 who were Australian citizens or residents.
It is clear that the Government’s professed support for Security Council Resolution 2116 (2014) for a “full, thorough, and independent international investigation into the incident in accordance with international civil aviation guidelines” is no more than window dressing for a much wider geopolitical agenda.
James O’Neill is a former academic who has practiced as a barrister for the past 30 years. He has a special interest in international human rights issues. He may be contacted at j.oneill@bigpond.net.au |
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zorrro_03 posted on 19-12-2014 11:29 PM
Saya nasihatkan dua budak yg bertekak isu peribadi dalam thread ni diam. Sebelum kamu di ban dari t ...
saya bangkang,puan admin!!
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sorry ..nak tanya soalan sensitif sikit
siapa-siapa yang bersaudara/kawan2 dengan mangsa-mangsa
MH17 ni...pernah tak dengar cerita....ada waris yang
tengok keadaan mayat-mayat sebelum dikapankan...sebab kan banyak lagi
bahagian-bahagian yang ada kat tempat kejadian tu |
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noqiz posted on 20-12-2014 10:49 PM
sorry ..nak tanya soalan sensitif sikit
siapa-siapa yang bersaudara/kawan2 dengan mangsa-mangsa
MH ...
Rsa tak lah kowt..ade anak sorang nk buka tgk aruah mama nye,bapa tak kasi
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Malaysian Forensic police leave for Kiev to resume MH17 investigation
Bernama |Updated:April 11, 2015
(First published on: April 11, 2015 19:24 MYT)
KUALA LUMPUR: A team of seven forensic officers of the Royal Malaysian Police (RMP) left for Kiev, Ukraine early Saturday to resume the search for wreckage and new evidence of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 which is believed to have been shot down over the troubled country in July last year.
ACP Hussein Omar Khan who led the team said that they departed from the KL International Airport (KLIA) at 12:30 am.
Hussein said the team, comprising experts in disaster victim identification (DVI) and crime scene investigation (CSI), was expected to re-enter the tragedy site along with the international investigation team on Tuesday.
"We will resume the search for body parts, if any, and also new physical evidence for investigation.
"The team is expected to be in Donetsk for two to three weeks," he told Bernama via SMS today.
Hussein said the team was the same team that was deployed to the tragedy site before.
Last Thursday, Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar was reported as saying that the team would be entering the tragedy site together with security forces from the Netherlands and Ukraine to locate the remaining fragments of the aircraft, search for new evidence to help in the investigation, and trace a victim who had not been found.
Flight MH17 crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17 last year as it was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 283 passengers and 15 crew on board.
The Boeing 777-200 aircraft is believed to have been shot down.
Besides Malaysians, nationals from the Netherlands, Australia, Indonesia, the United Kingdom, Germany, Belgium, the Philippines, Canada and New Zealand were among the passengers and crew on board.
Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/politics-news/forensic-police-leave-kiev-resume-mh17-investigation-57598?cp
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Edited by dani-rox at 12-4-2015 02:56 AM
TUJUH PAKAR FORENSIK PDRM BERLEPAS KE KIEV SAMBUNG SIASATAN NAHAS MH17
Putrajaya, 11 April - Tujuh pegawai forensik Polis Diraja Malaysia (PDRM) berlepas ke Kiev, Ukraine untuk menyambung semula pencarian baki serpihan dan bukti baharu berkaitan nahas pesawat Malaysia Airlines (MAS) MH17 yang dipercayai ditembak jatuh pada 17 Julai tahun lepas.
Pasukan yang diketuai Komander Pasukan Pengecaman Mangsa Bencana (DVI), ACP Hussein Omar Khan dilapor berlepas dari Lapangan Terbang Antarabangsa Kuala Lumpur (KLIA) pada 12.30 tengah malam tadi.
Beliau berkata pasukan itu antara paling berpengalaman dalam DVI dan penyiasatan tempat kejadian jenayah (CSI) dijangka memasuki semula ke lokasi nahas bersama pasukan penyiasat antarabangsa Selasa ini.
“Kita akan meneruskan usaha mengesan baki mayat jika masih ada dan juga mengumpul bukti fizikal bagi tujuan siasatan.
"Pasukan ini dijangka berada di Donetsk antara dua hingga tiga minggu," katanya menerusi khidmat pesanan ringkas (SMS).
Hussein berkata pasukan tersebut merupakan pasukan sama yang ke lokasi nahas sebelum ini.
Khamis lalu Ketua Polis Negara Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar berkata pasukan itu akan memasuki kawasan tragedi di Donetsk, Ukraine bersama-sama pasukan keselamatan Belanda dan Ukraine untuk mencari baki serpihan pesawat dan bukti baharu untuk membantu siasatan.
Beliau berkata PDRM komited dalam meneruskan siasatan dan berharap misi kali ini yang mendapat kerjasama Belanda dan lain-lain pasukan agar dapat membantu menemui petunjuk baharu nahas.
Pesawat MH17 yang membawa 283 penumpang dan 15 anak kapal dalam perjalanan dari Amsterdam menuju Kuala Lumpur semasa ia terhempas di timur Ukraine dipercayai akibat ditembak di ruang udara negara yang bergolak itu.
- BERNAMA
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tak habis2 upkan tread lama tahi tul |
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ko la tahi duduk dlm gua
nampak tak tarikh artikel tu.
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benda baru kena bukuk tread baru baru betul  apa la kau ni... itu pun nak kena ajar ka? |
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apaciter skrg...takkan senyap jeee.. |
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