Kemusykilan: Kawin Kerna PR

BeanDiesel

First off, aku dah try search both keywords "kawin" and "kahwin" tapi tak jumpe thread yang berkaitan ngan persoklan aku ni. Tak sure la kalo sebelum ni pernah bincang hal ni and the thread is already deleted mase server buat clean up.

Ok, ni soklan aku.

Aku beragama Islam dan skrg berada di US. Aku tgh nak wat life plan la ni. Ade 3 options.
1) balik mesia trus and stay for good.
2) stay sini kejap keje pastu balik mesia for good.
3) stay sini for good.

now, utk option ke 3 tu, ade masalah sket. kalo aku under H1-B visa, utk professionals, maximum 6 taun jek leh stay. pastu kena kuar US for a year to get it back. that's not a very good idea.

And kawan baik aku offer kawin ngan dia utk dapat PR trus. Tapi bukanlah kawin ngan akad nikah sume. Just civil-marriage jek, atas paper jek. No sex involved. Pikir-pikir, cam ok gak. In fact, aku rasa leh dapat Tax break kalo legally married. Tapi, persoklan aku ialah, adakah ia dibernarkan disisi Islam? Aku tau la perkahwinan tu tak sah disudut Islam, that girl is not even a muslim. But adakah perbuatan itu itself is haram?

Time kasih. :tq:

[ Last edited by  BeanDiesel at 27-4-2007 05:39 AM ]

ussopp

hehe, bukan nak menolong...

Notwongjowo

Anda telah mempermainkan agama. Anda telah mengadaikan keuntungan akhirat yang maha luas kerana untuk mendapat keuntungan dunia yang sempit. Institusi perkakwinan dalam Islam bukan barang mainan!!! Technically u are smart but sorry u aren't smart enough as a muslimin concerning long term planning(ukhrawi).Fikirkanlah

Gravedigger

If u gonna stay long, then find a woman who can share your life with.....git married accordingly to Islam n led a good life o'er there. If not..then come home. The country needs professionals like u more!.

ibnur

berbohong tu salah.

sedondon

Just civil-marriage jek, atas paper jek. No sex involved

Boleh terangkan macam mana prosedure dia tu mcm mana? Just isi borang aje kah atau kena pegi kawin kat church? Or dummy je?
Rasanyer baik ko stay kat Malaysia jer!

orang_awam

aku rasa kena pegi register kat jabatan pendaftaran je.

kat sana kalau divorce, kena bagi macam2 kat bini.

apa kata ajak dia masuk islam, kawin betul2...

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by Notwongjowo at 10/18/06 05:10 PM
Anda telah mempermainkan agama. Anda telah mengadaikan keuntungan akhirat yang maha luas kerana untuk mendapat keuntungan dunia yang sempit. Institusi perkakwinan dalam Islam bukan barang mainan!!! Technically u are smart but sorry u aren't smart enough as a muslimin concerning long term planning(ukhrawi).Fikirkanlah

Telah mempermainkan agama. :hmm: kalo Notwongjowo bace balik ape yang aku tulis kat atas, actually aku blom pon kawin. in fact, blom plan pon nak kawin. baru tanye jek. baru tanye jek blom kira mempermainkan agama and mengadaikan keuntungan akhirat kan?
It's ok. I consider that as an honest mistake.

So, pada pendapat anda, mengapakah kawin civil dikira sebagai mempermainkan agama dan menggadaikan keuntungan akhirat? Keep in mind that kawin civil kat sini tak involve priest, tak involve any type of religious practice. It's just to be legally considered as married by secular law, utk mendapatkan PR (not Citizenship actually, my mistake).

Thank you.

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by Gravedigger at 10/18/06 05:58 PM
If u gonna stay long, then find a woman who can share your life with.....

to tell you the truth, kalo aku include real marriage into consideration, I'd pick choice 1 right away. But right now, tak minat la nak pikir kawin betul. Sebab tu la choice aku open to the 3 choices. Lagipon aku bukan reti sangat pon ngan pompuan.

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by ibnur at 10/18/06 06:31 PM
berbohong tu salah.

seriously, that's a very good point. :hmm:

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by sedondon at 10/18/06 06:39 PM
Just civil-marriage jek, atas paper jek. No sex involved


Boleh terangkan macam mana prosedure dia tu mcm mana? Just isi borang aje kah atau kena pegi kawin kat church? Or dummy je?
Rasanyer baik ko stay kat Malaysia jer!

hmm, actually aku blom tau lagi procedure dia secara detail. sebabnya aku tak look up lagi.
aku rasa cam pendaftaran biasa la kot. gi pejabat kerajaan and sign some papers. kena ade lawyer or not aku tak sure (but kalo nak wat prenup kena lawyer aku rasa). but most definitely tak involve church. sebabnya civil marriage ni urusan kerajaan, and sini practice separation of church and state (secularism). so an atheist, a muslim, a christian etc couples would go through the same process to legalize the marriage aku rasa.

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by orang_awam at 10/18/06 07:35 PM
kat sana kalau divorce, kena bagi macam2 kat bini.

ha, tu pasal la kena ade prenuptal agreement. :D

Notwongjowo

Beandiesel,

I'm sorry for my silly statement. Actually I want to say, if you' ve taken that step, u.....bla.. bla... Since u haven't do it and not planning to do it,  that's a wise decision. If you do it, once u're caught, u malu, ur family malu, kampung dan Negara malu......bad image for the muslim and everybody. I'm sure it is wrong by law!!!

ibnur

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 19-10-2006 12:42 PM


to tell you the truth, kalo aku include real marriage into consideration, I'd pick choice 1 right away. But right now, tak minat la nak pikir kawin betul. Sebab tu la choice aku open to the 3 c ...

walaupun menurut islam perkahwinan itu tak real.  tapi ikut US law ia adalah legal dan subject to US punya law.  
buat apa cari penyakit.

i212

kalau atas kertas saje tanpa sebarang penglibatan agama, aku rasa boleh.
Tapi janganlah pulak stay satu rumah. Dah jadi Haram.
Perkahwinan tuh tidak sah disisi Agama, so janganlah buat benda suami isteri selalu buat.
Lagi satu, perjanjian yang ko nak buat tuh, buat betul2... jangan nanti maruah tergadai dah le.

ermmm... nape ko nak stay sana ha?.... saja nak bz body.. hehehehe

sedondon

Ko keje ker buat business di US tu?

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by Notwongjowo at 10/18/06 09:11 PM
I'm sorry for my silly statement.

no worries, we're cool.

If you do it, once u're caught, u malu, ur family malu, kampung dan Negara malu......bad image for the muslim and everybody.

tu la nak tanye siap siap, before it's too late.

I'm sure it is wrong by law!!!

:hmm: interesting point.
initially, the whole point of doing this is to get the PRship legally, doing all that what the federal law requires, and only those, nothing more.
But when ibnur brought up about 'menipu', and your suggestion that it may be wrong by law, terpikir gak whether it is actually punishable by law for being legally married by not practising what average married couples do. :hmm: I need to do some research about this. Tanak aku cari pasal kat tempat orang.

loona

Semuanya bergantung pada niat. Kalau niat tu baik dan tidak melibatkan religious ceremony is ok. Cuma anggap "paper marriage" aja.....or just treat it as "relationship agreement"

hi5

Aku rase yg silap sebab bila lu kata nak kawin kerana kerakyatan. Tapi dari apa yg lu cakap tu, bukan kawin atau nikah dalam Islam, consider cam agreement. Bagi aku tak mendatangkan apa2 sebab tak legal dalam Islam dan bukan mempersendakan Islam..malah aku rase mempersendakan sistem US.


Kalau aku, aku akan buat....

Kalau nak tahu, di UK orang Muslim pakistani ada buat agreement kawin dgn anak pompuan diorang kalau sesiapa nak dapar PR..bayar dlm 3000-5000pounds.

[ Last edited by  hi5 at 21-10-2006 03:50 AM ]

Nara_Gaara

Abih tu girl tu akan convert tak?Walaupun sekadar atas kertas,tapi ia tetap PERKAHWINAN kan?Ko akan kawin as a muslim or not?Bagi aku,tindakan ni seolah2 mempersendakan Islam dan nilai sebuah perkahwinan.

Matlamat menghalalkan cara...Hmmm.