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Reply 278# Anak_Nogori
xpe la AN... kita kat sini, walaupun blainan kepercayaan...yakin fitnah tu adalah satu dosa....pepandai ler nanti kat sana nnti tanggung..sendri mau ingat.. |
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Bernard Dompok: Apa salahnya PM Kristian?
Mei 9, 11 8:20pm
Kongsi 235
Walaupun percaya ia tidak akan menjadi kenyataan, Menteri Perusahaan Perladangan Dan Komoditi Tan Sri Bernard Dompok mengemukakan persoalan apa salahnya memiliki seorang perdana menteri yang beragama Kristian.
hr_ikhlas Post at 10-5-2011 11:19 
isi hati seorang BUMIPUTRA yang sebenar, bukan bumiputra indon mali tau..... |
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Ni aku copy n paste artikel yang aku ambil dari The Herald:
Islam under attack? What about Christians?
Those who claim Islam in Malaysia is under threat should really spend a day trying to live as a Christian here. It is baseless, callous, slanderous, stupid statements such as these that are tearing this country apart far more than dinners for pastors or celebrating Deepa-Raya, or doing the poco-poco.
No religion encourages slander. Yet in this country, a newspaper that claims to be defending race and religion is allowed to slander politicians, political organisations and now, even entire religious communities. In this country, organisations such as Perkasa are allowed to make sweeping racist statements with no merit, basis nor ounce of truth, and they are heralded as heaven-sent revelations, yet works to foster inter-racial harmony on the other side of the political spectrum are doubted, mocked, ridiculed and, worse, outright denied. The low levels that some people sink to for political survival is sometimes surprising, but almost always sickening. Whatever happened to the burden of proof lying with the accuser?
There have been claims by apparently clueless quarters that 200,000 Muslims have converted out of Islam into Christianity, that this number was a pessimistic estimate and this somehow have escaped the eye of our 14 state religious departments and enforcement agencies nationwide. We are talking about agencies so vigilant, not even adventurous senior citizens who sneak around in hotel rooms escape their watchful gaze.
And reportedly, some of these couples aren’t even Muslim, but that’s beyond the point. We are talking about agencies with advanced SMS alert systems to warn you if a piece of beef jerky you are about to place in your mouth was certified halal by foreign certifying bodies and somehow less halal than the ones certified here.
Some may recall a few poor Indian kids from Silibin who got treated to a really memorable First Holy Communion after they were faced with protesters who thought they were protesting a mass baptism of ex-Muslims, no thanks to an SMS. Thinking back, I can only recall three well documented converts out of Islam, and two are not even in the country anymore .All three passed through the syariah court system, which must have somehow missed the other 199,997 cases.
While all this was going on, some even more overzealous people decided that crosses should be removed from our schools, because, really, all the Christians did was buy the land, build the schools, fill out the libraries, equip the labs and teach there for about 30 years, but they’re gone now, so we should remove the crosses lest we add on to the 200,000 converts.
And with the many schools, orphanages and hospitals they’ve built, they must have some nefarious agenda, right? And they also want to print their Bibles in BM. Never mind the fact they’ve been doing it for 600 years, the fact that they’re doing it represents some intangible but catchy-sounding form of threat, and as a bonus, political opportunity. We can always classify it as national security and blame them for being unpatriotic if they question it later.
For good measure, let’s also ensure the new generation of Christians worship out of shop lots and industrial plots of land next to fuming factories, away from society’s curious eye. And do remember to keep the crosses small. Just as the Christians thought it was safe to come out, we have people in charge of schools that require you to fill out forms if you wish to wear “mini” crosses around your neck. At this rate, it is surprising, no one has suggested bar-coded “Kafir” name tags yet.
Islam’s position as official religion in Malaysia is enshrined in the Constitution. Four large political parties, two of which are the largest parties in Malaysia, are there to defend it.
The majority of 60 per cent of Malaysians who profess the religion protect it. But yes, sir, you are right — Islam is under attack. It is under attack by those hell-bent on stoking racial tensions and religious unease, and in the process give a good religion a bad name. It is under attack, by you. And in all this, a more relevant question that arises, sir, if you believe Muslims is under attack in Malaysia, what of the Christians?
http://www.heraldmalaysia.com/ne ... tians-8878-2-1.html |
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eloklaaa utusan minta maaf kpd seluruh umat kristian dan gereja sebab laporan fitnah utusan telah membuatkan umat kkristian dicurigai org2 jahiliah parti umno.akibat kebodohan mereka ini mereka kehulu kehilir buat demo dan laporan polis. |
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Reply Anak_Nogori
xpe la AN... kita kat sini, walaupun blainan kepercayaan...yakin fitnah tu ...
cmf_shalom Post at 10-5-2011 17:53 
kalau itu satu fitnah..eloklah paderi2 dan DAP saman saja kedua2 blog tersebut.. |
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Isu Agama Rasmi Hanyalah Satu Propaganda Jahat
KENYATAAN RASMI
PARTI KEADILAN RAKYAT - KENYATAAN MEDIA
Isu Agama Rasmi Hanyalah Satu Propaganda Jahat UMNO/BN
10 Mei 2011:
Muka hadapan akhbar milik UMNO Utusan Malaysia pada 7 Mei 2011 memaparkan tajuk “Kristian Agama Rasmi”. Tajuk tersebut secara terang-terangan cuba menimbulkan provokasi terhadap hubungan masyarakat pelbagai agama di negara ini. Hakikatnya sentimen agama digunakan untuk melaga-lagakan penyokong Pakatan Rakyat melalui congak politik kuno mereka. Selepas melontar berita palsu, siri lapuran polis oleh badut-badut UMNO/BN pula direncana untuk menunjukkan bahawa merekalah jaguh mempertahankan maruah orang Melayu dan Islam.
Setelah setengah abad diberi amanah mentadbir negara UMNO/BN sebenarnya telah gagal untuk memastikan kecemerlangan Islam sebagai agama rasmi. Nilai-nilai agama dalam masyarakat lansung tidak diberi perhatian. Sekolah Agama Rakyat dipinggirkan. Gerakan dakwah dinafikan hak untuk memanfaatkan institusi agama seperti masjid dan surau. Jabatan-jabatan agama dijumudkan untuk kepentingan politik sempit mereka sahaja. Akhir jenayah sosial di kalangan generasi muda Islam gagal dibendung.
Parti KEADILAN Rakyat ingin menegaskan bahawa Majlis Pimpinan Pakatan Rakyat sepakat untuk mempertahankan empat perkara pokok dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia iaitu:
1. Islam sebagai agama rasmi Persekutuan manakala agama-agama lain bebas diamalkan dengan aman.
2. Bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa kebangsaan Persekutuan.
3. Hak-hak istimewa orang-orang Melayu dan Bumiputera.
4. Kedaulatan Raja-Raja Melayu.
Parti DAP sudah mengeluarkan kenyataan bahawa mereka akan berpegang kepada konsesus Pakatan Rakyat yang akan mempertahankan Islam sebagai agama rasmi Persekutuan.
Setiausaha Agung DAP, Lim Guan Eng dan penganjur program berkenaan (National Evangelical Christian Fellowship, bersama rakan-rakannya yang lain, Global Day of Prayer, Marketplace Penang dan Penang Pastors Fellowship) dengan tegas menyangkal dakwaan blog-blog yang menjadi rujukan Utusan sebagai satu pembohongan dan tidak berasas sama sekali. Pertemuan tersebut sebenarnya membincangkan isu berkaitan rasuah dalam negara.
YB HJ AHMAD KASIM
Pengerusi
Biro Pemahaman & Pemantapan Agama (BiPPA)
Tel : +6019-441-6522
eMail : mpkk08@gmail.com
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Tompang tanya: propa sapa ek?
Sceptism sis kabu timbul dari:
1. "Agenda kuno melaga2kan penyokong pakatan rakyat" melalui utusan.
Tp sejak bila penyokong PR pedoli dgn utusan? Penyokong PR beli utusan yg hampas tu meh?
Astagaaa.. Penyokong PR memberi nilai kpd hampas yg dikemukakan utusan? 
2. Perjumpaan pertubuhan keagamaan tp membincangkan isu rasuah negara katanye.. Nak jadi apooolah paderi2 tuh seme bila ugama dibelakangkan?
3. Apa suda jadi dgn kebebasan bersuara? Asal tak kene dgn aspirasi PR semua haram? Harus direntikan?
Acuan kebebasan bersuara pesen apa ni? Idi amin? |
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Tompang tanya: propa sapa ek?
Sceptism sis kabu timbul dari:
1. "Agenda kuno melaga2kan penyokon ...
kabukiman Post at 11-5-2011 00:33 
nak cakap camna yer. sebab ayat sis pun kurang nak berapa paham....
kiranya macam nih laa... sekarang utusan dah buat pitnah nyata... dah nyata PR kena pertahankan walau tak beli utusan sekalipun.. adakah bila utusan buat pitnah, pihak PR kena diam membisu takyah cakap apa2 sebab tak BELI otosan..?? macam tuh hari2 buat pitnah pun ok jerk laa....
jadi kebebasan bersuara yg sis nak canang tuh kira macam tak kena tempat skit laa... bila utusan bebas buat pitnah tanpa batasan dan takder langsung tindakan... tapi bila nak luluskan lesen suara keadilan yg dok cakap buat pitnah.. naper sampai seakrang tak release lesennya.. cakap kebebasan media... dan adakah atas nama kebebasan bersuara, hanya satu pihak ajerk bleh cakap.. bila pihak PR komplen semula.. dikatanya tak bebas bersuara.... adakah kebebasan bersuara tuh ebrmaksud satu arah jer bleh bercakap.. satu pihak lagik kena diam tutup mulut..??
maybe dalam ekonomi yg setiap hari sis buat mainan, boleh laa sembang.. tapi bab politik sis agak dangkal...cuba lagik.. |
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Bukankah utusan punya lapuran disertakan sumber? Jadi apa masalahnya yea?
Kebebasan bersuara utk semua maksudnya itu sahaja. Sesapa bebas bersuara ttg apa saja. Jadi adalah amat hipokritikal kalu kurang kematangan utk menerima apa yg tak berkenan dihati nak dicopkan sbg agenda jahat, ye tak?
Di mana kematangan biro pemahaman PR dlm hal ni? Its ok if we say anything sbb itu kebebasan bersuara; tp its not ok kalu dari utusan?
The point is this. Byk org time menghantam (dishing out) mmg berapi, tp bila dipulang paku buah keras tetiba sontap dek kurang kematangan. Dan pd sis kabu, ini amat jelek lagi memualkan. |
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Bukan semua media itu bawak agenda sendiri?
Jadi kenapa agenda utusan perlu jadi satu masalah dunia utk PR kecoh sehingga kpd ultimatum, tuntutan etc ? Kenapa nampak dlm kes ini, tiada kematangan utk menerima HAK utusan utk berpropa?
Ini pasal sis kabu utarakan sceptism sis kabu ttg keadilan utk kebebasan bersuara.
Cth: Der spiegel buat propa ari jemahat lepas. Implikasi = 2% pergerakan matawang euro to usd. Semarah2 puak greek akibat propa der spiegel, takde plak tuntutan dikenakan kpd chancellor merkel. Atau ultimatum.
Banding dgn kes ini, dimana kematangan? |
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FYI, DAP kini sedang giat melobi NGO2 utk PRU akan datang. 
Tak mustahil perkara agama ini dibincangkan semasa negotiation dgn NGO2 terbabit. |
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FYI, DAP kini sedang giat melobi NGO2 utk PRU akan datang.
Tak mustahil perkara agama ini dibi ...
kasmela Post at 11-5-2011 01:56
jadi.. terhina laa agama melayu nanti yer..?? |
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Reply 9# totokreturn
Jadi isu agama itu kemungkinan besar mmg ada dibincangkan. Jelas rasanya maksud yg cuba I sampaikan di posting sebelum ini. |
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Reply 4# kabukiman
Bukankah utusan punya lapuran disertakan sumber? Jadi apa masalahnya yea?
Kebanyakkan nnya sumber dari blog2 yang tak ketahuan
kebebasan bersuara ? Iya untuk Bee End
tapi utk pakatan ? |
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Sis kabu tidak mempersoalkan kebebasan bersuara utk PR, atau utk sesiapa.
Soal yg diutarakan ialah kenapa utusan punya HAK utk bersuara nak ditekan?
-fyi, sis kabu tak beli + tak baca utusan. |
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Post time 10-5-2011 05:53 PM
