winzip This user has been deleted
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tak kan selesai sebab.. semuanye tu..
1. bersifat sastera sejarah dan bukan sejarah
2. pewarnaan (tokok-tambah) dalam penceritaan lisan
3. tiada bukti sejarah yang tepat
4. banyak unsur penafsiran
5. lebih banyak unsur unreal dari real.. |
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betul tu winzip.. info yang cantik..
tapi winzip.. "opologetik" tu ape ek?? |
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Errr...
Originally posted by Hiven at 12-11-2003 21:53:
betul tu winzip.. info yang cantik..
tapi winzip.. "opologetik" tu ape ek??
Nampaknya WINZIP masih lupa nak jawab soalan ni...
[AURA] [EFEK] [NOTA]
Heh! Heh! Heh! |
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Errr...
Originally posted by Hiven at 12-11-2003 21:53:
betul tu winzip.. info yang cantik..
tapi winzip.. "opologetik" tu ape ek??
Nampaknya WINZIP masih lupa nak jawab soalan ni...
[AURA] [EFEK] [NOTA]
Heh! Heh! Heh! |
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racerX This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by The Kops at 3-8-2003 03:11:
satu lagi dikatakan bahawa hg li po tu bukan seorg puteri tetapi cuma dayang? sebab? ada hikayat ttg dinasti Ming yg tertulis di China yg maharaja ming tak pernah menunjuk muka puterinya ke pada org lain termasuk kaum kerabat yg lain.dikatakan maharaja ming juga tak pernah hantar puteri nya ke mana2 selain di istana/ bole jadi Puteri hg li po itu cuma dayang yg kata org pintar di istana maharaja..
Secara logiknya ada sama ke taraf maharaja Cina masa tu (yang berasa diri dia dan kerajaan dia begitu hebat sampai menyamakan diri dia dengan tuhan) dengan sultan negeri kecik macam melaka tu? Penting sangat ke melaka tu sampai dia nak bagi anak dia kawin dengan sultan mansur syah, sedangkan banyak empayar lain masa tu lebih besar dan lebih penting daripada melaka?
Yang aku pernah baca pulak, Hang Li Po tu adalah gundik maharaja; mengikut konon ceritanya, maharaja cina ni ramai gundik yang dia suka dan kalau dihadiahkan pada pembesar that's considered an honour sebab dapat "bekas" tuhan hidup. |
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racerX This user has been deleted
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Yenna...
Ada possibility tak yang si Kasturi tu pun bukan Melayu juga, tapi sebenarnya asal dari India? Sebab zaman tu pun Melayu dengan Hindu ni masih kuat gak lagi.
Kalau macam tu tak de sangat le hero orang Melayu kita ni yek... |
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Originally posted by ukawa at 9-8-2003 10:34:
Tapi, org2 tua melaka still rasakn yg Tuah lebih baik dari Jebat, secara ilmiah. Tuah dikatakan lebih penyabar, lebih berfikiran matang compared to Jebat. Oleh sbb itu juga dikatakan Tuah diturunkan ilmu yg lebih tinggi berbanding Jebat dan yg lain2.
Kalau dah sanggup terjun tangki taik nak save kuda raja, ilmiah dan matang ke menda. Bau macam cerita menteri lari naik podium masa cek det announce nak retire hari tu jek... |
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winzip This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by AceHand at 18-12-2003 11:35 AM:
Nampaknya WINZIP masih lupa nak jawab soalan ni...
ops.. sorry ek.. tak perasan plak ada soalan tu..
apologetik tu makna dia suka meminta maaf.. |
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winzip This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by racerX at 19-12-2003 08:03 PM:
Secara logiknya ada sama ke taraf maharaja Cina masa tu (yang berasa diri dia dan kerajaan dia begitu hebat sampai menyamakan diri dia dengan tuhan) dengan sultan negeri kecik macam melaka tu? Pent ...
besar kemungkinan hang li po adalah dayang atau gundek maharaja..
boleh jadi juga hamba maharaja.. sebab keluarga diraja nak keluar dari
forbiden city pun tak boleh.. ni kan pulak nak di hantar ke melaka..
kalau gundek maharaja itu ada logiknya sebab pada pada itu,
maharaja ada beribu gundek.. |
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winzip This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by racerX at 19-12-2003 08:12 PM:
Kalau dah sanggup terjun tangki taik nak save kuda raja, ilmiah dan matang ke menda. Bau macam cerita menteri lari naik podium masa cek det announce nak retire hari tu jek...
aku setuju.. takde bende ilmiah dan matang pada sifat hang tuah..
cara dia kebas tun teja pakai ilmu pengasih dan pass kan tun teja
pada sultan pakai ilmu pembenci menunjukkan dia tak matang dan tak ilmiah..
dia contoh sempurna pak angguk pada zaman tu.. |
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racerX This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by winzip at 22-12-2003 03:36:
besar kemungkinan hang li po adalah dayang atau gundek maharaja..
boleh jadi juga hamba maharaja.. sebab keluarga diraja nak keluar dari
forbiden city pun tak boleh.. ni kan pulak nak di hantar ...
Jangan-jangan maharaja Cina masa tu saja buat joke. Dia hantar tukang sapu sampah mana ke, lepas tu dia kata "Ini puteri aku!" Lepas tu dia pakat gelak dengan menteri-menteri dia lepas rombongan tu diterima oleh kerajaan Melaka... |
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winzip This user has been deleted
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putablade This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by racerX at 22-12-2003 12:30 PM:
Jangan-jangan maharaja Cina masa tu saja buat joke. Dia hantar tukang sapu sampah mana ke, lepas tu dia kata "Ini puteri aku!" Lepas tu dia pakat gelak dengan menteri-menteri dia lepas ro ...
puteri atau tukang sapu, dalam gelap serupa belaka. sama-sama made in china! |
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Originally posted by putablade at 4-1-2004 02:05 AM:
puteri atau tukang sapu, dalam gelap serupa belaka. sama-sama made in china!
iye tak ye jugak..
cuma malu sket ler kerajaan melaka..
kalau betul yang sampai kat bukit cina tu bukan darah diraja.. |
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p ramlee anak cina!
aku baru saja balik menyambut tahun baru kat pulau pinang. two old friends from my university days were showing me round the favourite eating spots, acting as chaperone to ensure that the kuehteow was lard-free and the bakkutte did not get served as nasikandar. we passed p ramlee's house and my chinese friend had an interesting story to tell.
p ramlee, he insisted, was of chinese origin. actually, he was a chinese child given away to malay foster parents in balikpulau before the war. the father was a mr lee and his mother was nyonya lam. the grateful malay family agreed to preserve the chinese parents' surnames by including it in his muslim adoptive name - ramlee was a corruption of the chinese names lam and lee, very common ssurnames in the penang hokkien fraternity, according to my chinese friend. the melancholic nature of his origins explains p ramlee's artistic themes, both in music and films. even the self-deprecatory humour, my added, was merely to mask the sadness of his origins as a cast-away chinese child.
at this point, my indian friend interjected to say that he also heard the story of p ramlee's origins being whispered round. yes his father was chinese, he said, but the mother was indian, from the ram family of money lenders. because of the scandal of interracial relations, the child had to be given away and a malay family came forward. according to my indian friend, indian and chinese genes normally result in brown skin without mata sepet. my chinese friend had no argument to offer.
so i asked what about the p in his name? both of them looked at me with pity and said " aiyaaa - you malays are so slow. p stands for "pssst!" to denote the big secret lah!"
first its hang tuah, and now its p ramlee, was my troubled thought. my friends insisted on knowing what i thought. so i said ' i thought p was for pukimak !" |
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Heh! Heh! Heh!
Originally posted by winzip at 22-12-2003 03:32:
ops.. sorry ek.. tak perasan plak ada soalan tu..
apologetik tu makna dia suka meminta maaf..
Sori yer... Respon aku kat sini mungkin lambat sikit... Tapi aku tak pernah lupa... Heh! Heh! Heh!
Jizzz... Klong! Klong! |
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Hang Tuah tu orang cina ke....
ada pendapat mengatakan Hang Tuah tu .. seorang Laksamana cina yg masuk Islam....
atau betulkah lagenda ini... |
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sudah banyak thread discussing about
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so saya rasa molek benar kalau sesiapa nak buat thread HT tu rujuk dulu indeks...ini hanyalah cadangan... |
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Post time 12-11-2003 09:37 AM
Post time 18-12-2003 11:34 AM
