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Permurtadan Datuk Azhar Mansor adalah PEMBOHONGAN
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 18-11-2006 01:15 PM
kalau musa islam, surly Jews pun islam.
hehehehe mana ada bukti? ini semua propaganda arab lah
kenapa kamu berkata begitu?jews bukan pengikut Nabi Musa,mereka seperti kristian yang menyelewengkan Injil dan xlebih daripda itu.yang menjadi pengikut Musa ialah beberapa golongan daripada Bani Israel yang beriman kepada dakwah Musa A.S.aku rasa kaumu keliru antara jews dengan Bani Isarel.mungkin semua jews adalah Bani Israel tatapi tidak semua Bani Israel adalah Jews.di sana ada sebahagian yang beriman kepada Musa A.s dan mereka inilah orang2 Islam. |
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Originally posted by BeachBoys at 18-11-2006 01:22 PM
kenapa kamu berkata begitu?jews bukan pengikut Nabi Musa,mereka seperti kristian yang menyelewengkan Injil dan xlebih daripda itu.yang menjadi pengikut Musa ialah beberapa golongan daripada Ban ...
Moses observed Sabbath same as Jews. yg menyeleweng adalah islam sebab menyeleweng hari jumaat.
jadi macam mana pula Moses ini islam??? itu lah saya kata tadi ini semua propaganda arab lah |
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God, The Creator, the All-knowing knew that the Christians would be lost in the wilderness of human worship and the Jews in their stubborn and pride... that is why the direction or qiblat is the Kaabah in mecca for it is the sign of the destruction of polytheism (syirk, associating God with His creation and creatures) - permanently - its a mercy for the Muslims
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 18-11-2006 01:18 PM
the qiblat was just a business commodity to boost arab land. as i mentioned never God messenger from Bible visit kaba. I did not face Jerusalem to worhshipped God.
...yet u failed to answe ...
dah bible ko tu menipu,memang la ko xkan jumpe ape2 kebenaran dalam tu.apelah.... |
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 18-11-2006 01:24 PM
God, The Creator, the All-knowing knew that the Christians would be lost in the wilderness of human worship and the Jews in their stubborn and pride... that is why the direction or qiblat is the Ka ...
now u called god but ur dua kalimah syahada says "
tiada tuhan (god) melainkan allah"
seems that muslims confused their god all the time. one moment god next allah
this what happened to confused religion cannot decide which is which. |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 18-11-2006 01:24 PM
Moses observed Sabbath same as Jews. yg menyeleweng adalah islam sebab menyeleweng hari jumaat.
jadi macam mana pula Moses ini islam??? itu lah saya kata tadi ini semua propaganda arab lah
nak wat camne?dah Allah jadikan untuk kaum Nabi Musa tu hari untuk wat ibadat jatuh hari Sabtu..terima jelah.paham2 jelah perangai Bani Israel ni cam mane,bg betis mintak peha.lagipun Musa ni di utus untuk kaum Bani Israel je.tapi biler tibe zaman Muhammad SAW, hari untuk wat ibadat jatuh pada hari jumaat dan Muhammad ini diutus untuk sekelian manusia.Maknanya umat Muhammad ni lebih ramai dari umat2 nabi terdahulu...dan sebabnye jatuh pada hari jumaat kerana pada hari jumaat adam dijadikan,diturunkan ke bumi,hari kiamat berlaku dan lain2 lagi.saje bgtau..extra information.yang lain tu pk sendirilah,ada maksud tersirat ni.kalu ko pandai,ko tahulah ape yang aku nak sampaikan kat kau ni... |
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Originally posted by BeachBoys at 18-11-2006 01:34 PM
nak wat camne?dah Allah jadikan untuk kaum Nabi Musa tu hari untuk wat ibadat jatuh hari Sabtu..terima jelah.paham2 jelah perangai Bani Israel ni cam mane,bg betis mintak peha.lagipun Musa ni d ...
dia x faham dan x akan faham pasal....sebenarnya...dia saja x nak faham. Ko tgkla soalan seterusnya nanti.  |
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Originally posted by BeachBoys at 18-11-2006 01:34 PM
nak wat camne?dah Allah jadikan untuk kaum Nabi Musa tu hari untuk wat ibadat jatuh hari Sabtu..terima jelah.paham2 jelah perangai Bani Israel ni cam mane,bg betis mintak peha.lagipun Musa ni d ...
so, Moses not Islam. simple as that |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 18-11-2006 01:26 PM
now u called god but ur dua kalimah syahada says "
tiada tuhan (god) melainkan allah"
seems that muslims confused their god all the time. one moment god next allah
this what ...
True, there is no God, no others worthy to be regarded as God The Creator, The Owner, other than Allah. What is so confusing about that? Allah is not only God in its meaning but it is also a specific name ..
in Arabic it is La' i (there is no) lah (god) a'ila (other than) Allah (Allah, a specific name)
You are the one who is confused for not knowing your facts |
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 18-11-2006 01:39 PM
True, there is no God, no others worthy to be regarded as God The Creator, The Owner, other than Allah. What is so confusing about that? Allah is not only God in its meaning but it is also a sp ...
is tuhan allah?? |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 18-11-2006 01:41 PM
is tuhan allah??
tuhan (a Malay word) can be anything for a non Muslim.. for you it is jesus or whatever, for others it can be a tree, a statue etc.. for Muslims, Tuhan (Lah in Arabic) is ALLAH
Before the Malays embraced Islam, they regarded their 'tuhan' as something else, not Allah
The term & attributes of 'Tuhan' only became perfected when Malays embraced Islam
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 18-11-2006 01:43 PM
tuhan (a Malay word) can be anything for a non Muslim.. for you its is jesus, for others it can be a tree, a statue etc.. for Muslims, Tuhan (Lah in Arabic) is ALLAH
Before the Malays embrac ...
if that the case why not says"
tiada tuhan pagan melainkan allah?? |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 18-11-2006 01:46 PM
if that the case why not says"
tiada tuhan pagan melainkan allah??
why you so stupid?... because Allah is not a tuhan pagan la...
You can go ahead and say tiada tuhan pagan melainkan jesus (there is no pagan god other than Jesus) ..for you have made jesus a pagan god
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 18-11-2006 01:47 PM
why you so stupid?... because Allah is not a tuhan pagan la...
You can go ahead and say tiada tuhan pagan melainkan jesus..for you have made jesus a pagan god
than again ur dua kalimah syahada says "tiada tuhan melainkan allah"
who is this allah? God of Bible? God of creator? NO |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 18-11-2006 01:50 PM
than again ur dua kalimah syahada says "tiada tuhan melainkan allah"
who is this allah? God of Bible? God of creator? NO
He is the God of Jesus
Allah in The jewish bible:
:pray: http://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Be ... he-Jewish-Bible.htm
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IS ALLAH
OF THE MUSLIM/ISLAM RELIGION
THE SAME AS THE GOD OF THE BIBLE ?
This critical question was twice asked of and well answered by our friends in ministry at The Berean Call in their newsletter.
We thought you would appreciate it.
Question: The word "Allah" as used in your September 1993 issue is not correct. The Hausa translation of the Bible in northern Nigeria uses Allah as a designation for the true God. Allah is therefore the same divine being in both the Islamic and Jewish faiths and the one who became man for the salvation of mankind.
Answer: The translators, by using a term familiar to the Muslims in northern Nigeria, no doubt thought they were being helpful. But by using Allah in the Hausa language, they have succeeded, instead, in creating confusion. Allah is no mere linguistic designation for God, as Dios in Spanish or Dieu in French. Allah is the name of the god of Islam. In fact, Allah was the name of the chief god among the numerous idols in the Kaaba in Mecca, which represented the deities of travelers passing through in the caravans. Allah was the god of the local Quraish, Muhammad's tribe, before Islam was invented. Muhammad smashed the idols but kept the black stone which is still kissed today by Muslims. He kept, too, the name Allah for the god of Islam (its sign was the crescent moon) in order to appeal to his own tribe.
Allah has definite characteristics: he is not a father, has no son, is not a triune being but a single (and thus incomplete) entity who destroys rather than saves sinners, has compassion on only the righteous, does not deal in grace but only rewards good deeds, has no way to redeem the lost sinners, etc. Allah is not the God of the Bible.
The God of Israel, too, has a name, YHWH, now pronounced Jehovah but more anciently as Jahweh. Most Christians are unaware of God's name because the Old Testament substitutes Lord for YHWH. In Exodus 6:3 God says,''By my name YHWH was I not known to them"; and at the burning bush when Moses asked His name, God explained the meaning of it by saying I AM THAT I AM; thus YHWH means not just one who is, but the self-existent One who is in and of Himself (Ex. 3:13-14).
The God of the Bible is love, an impossibility for Allah. As a single entity, Allah was lonely and could not love or fellowship until other entities came into existence. Not so with YHWH (Jehovah). He is three persons in One: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, complete in Himself and in need of no others to love and fellowship with ("The Father loveth the Son" [John 3:35], there is communion within the Godhead, etc.). Only of this God could it be said that He is love in Himself.
Allah could never say, "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26) and the Muslim scholar has no explanation for this expression, which is even found in the Koran's paraphrase of this Bible verse. We could point out other reasons, but this should be enough to show that to use in the Hausa translation the name Allah for the God of the Bible is a great error! In fact Allah is a false god on a par with any other pagan deity.
Question: (condensed to save space--full question will be posted on our website): In response to (your) article I read on the internet (on someone else's website), entitled "Is Allah, of the Muslim/Islam religion, the same God of the Bible?" I would like to make a few comments and ask some questions. Please give me chapter and verse from the Qur'an....lf l do not hear from you I will assume you have no proof and are spreading lies about Islam.
Answer: This has been discussed in these pages in the past. That Allah is not the God of the Bible is very clear. The biblical God is called Yahweh (or Jehovah) nearly 9,000 times. Yet Allah is not called by that name even once in the Koran. Why not, if Allah is the same God? God is also referred to as Elohim more than 2,500 times in the Bible, but again that word never appears for Allah in the Koran. Why? The God of the Bible is called "The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob ?srael" (Jacob's name was changed by God to Israel later in life, so he is referred to by either name). He is the father of the Jews. |
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The God of the Bible revealed himself to Moses at the burning bush by this name ("God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?srael") and told Moses, "this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex 3:1-16). If Allah is the God of the Bible, why is he never called by these names? The God of the Bible tells us again and again that He is the God of the Jews. Many times He is called "the God of Israel." Yet there is such hatred for Israel among Muslims! The Koran talks about Abraham and Ishmael, even claims they built the Kaaba, but gives Isaac no prominence. The Bible mentions Isaac favorably and prominently more than 150 times. God very clearly says that His covenant is with Isaac, not with Ishmael (Genesis 17:19-21), from whom the Arabs claim they are descended. The God of the Bible calls the Jews His chosen people. He loves them and gave the land of Israel to them as an heritage forever, as hundreds of verses in the Bible declare. Islam denies this basic biblical truth. The Jews are certainly not Allah's chosen people! How can Allah be the God of the Bible, yet not choose the Jews?
In your Koran, as you must know, Allah commands Muslims, "Take not the Jews and Christians as friends 1 Surah 5:51, A1 Hi1-a1i, v. 54, Jusuf a1i), so Allah is not the God of the Christians either. In the hadith, Muhammad himself said, "The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them" (Mishkat al Masabih Sh. M. Ashraf, 1990, pp. 147, 721, 810-11, 1130, etc.). Islam's god hates the Jews; the God of the Bible loves them as His chosen people! Allah is very clearly not Jehovah, Elohim, the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the God of the Bible!
The God of the Bible chose Jerusalem as His holy city. Forty times He calls Jerusalem "the city of David" and repeatedly He promises that the Messiah will be descended from David and will rule on David's throne in Jerusalem over the whole world (2 Chronicles 6:6; 33:7; 2 Samuel 7: 16; Psalm 89:3-29, etc.). Never does the Bible (or the God of the Bible) mention Mecca or Medina, but Jerusalem is mentioned more than 800 times. Yet Allah never mentions Jerusalem. How can this be if Allah is the God of the Bible? And how can the Muslims today claim Jerusalem as a holy city of Islam, when it isn't even mentioned in the Koran? That recent claim comes from those who want to take that city from the Jews.
That Allah has no son is further proof that He is not the God of the Bible, who definitely has a Son, as both the Old and New Testaments declare. Psalms 2 says, "Kiss the Son." Referring to the God of the Bible, Solomon says, "What is his son's name...?" (Proverbs 30:4). The angel Gabriel, whom Islam claims to honor, told the virgin Mary (Islam accepts the virgin birth of Jesus), " And, behold, thou shalt...bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be...called the Son of the Highest ...the Son of God...and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David..." (Luke 1:31-35). That throne is in Jerusalem, not in Mecca.
Muslims insist that the name " Allah" must be used in every language; it cannot be translated Dios in Spanish, Dieu in French, or God in English. Muslims thus treat " Allah" not as a generic word for God, but as the name of a particular god. In fact, Allah was the god of the Kuraish tribe centuries before Muhammad was born. You deny that he was the chief god in the Kaaba, but you admit there were for centuries 360 idols in the Kaaba and one of these was called Allah. What is Allah doing in a temple among 360 idols if he is the God of the Bible, who forbids idolatry? Why does Islam keep this idol temple, and why must Muslims to this day make a pilgrimage there? That Allah was the chief idol in the Kaaba is documented history. Let me quote one of the greatest historians: The desert Arab...feared and worshiped incalculable deities in stars and moons....Now and then he offered human sacrifice; and here and there he worshiped sacred stones. The center of this stone worship was Mecca (with) the Kaaba and its sacred Black Stone...in its southeast corner, five feet from the ground, just right for kissing.?
Within the Kaaba, in pre-Moslem days, were several idols representing gods. One was called Allah...three others were Allah's daughters, al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manah. We may judge the antiquity of this Arab pantheon from the mention of A1-il Lat (AI-Lat) by Herodotus [fifth century B.C. Greek historian] as a major Arabian deity . The Quraish [Muhammad's tribe controlling Mecca] paved the way for monotheism by worshiping Allah as chief god; He was presented to the Meccans as the Lord of their soil, to Whom they must pay a tithe of their crops and the first-born of their herds. The Quraish, as alleged descendants of Abraham and Ishmael, appointed the priests and guardians of the shrine and managed its revenues (Will Durant, "The Story of Civilization," IV: 160-61).
The Kaaba still stands, without its idols, but with the Black Stone. The pilgrimage to the Kaaba, to...kiss the sacred stone, to run between Safa and Marwa, and to climb Mount Arafa, was practiced by pious pagan Arabs for centuries before Muhammad. Why did your prophet keep, as part of Islam, these pagan rituals? |
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Clarifying the linguistic connections between the Names Allah and Elohim.
First we see the identical pronunciation in Scripture:
The word for God in Genesis 1:1 is elohim, which is essentially a plural form of a more basic root-Hebrew word for God,
 (eloh).
Furthermore, the Arabic translation of the Jewish Bible uses the name "Allah" to refer to God in Genesis 1:1
" Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . ."
:pray: http://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Be ... he-Jewish-Bible.htm |
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Only stubborness & pride are keeping T8 and his likes from acknowledging that Allah is The Creator |
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 18-11-2006 02:02 PM
Clarifying the linguistic connections between the Names Allah and Elohim.
First we see the identical pronunciation in Scripture:
The word for God in Genesis 1:1 is elohim, which is essentially ...
if allah is creator, surly the Jews will be Muslim and using allah. |
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