negative thinker...

my-alja

salam

lama tak jumpa dgn org yg camni...bebaru nie berborak dgn manusia begini, rasa gelap dunia...

semua tak kena, semua salah....setiap infos takde yg baik, semua tak baik:stp:..

tak mudah nak tukar org berpikiran camni...any solutions?:gila:

seribulan

Originally posted by my-alja at 5/8/05 01:15 AM:
salam

lama tak jumpa dgn org yg camni...bebaru nie berborak dgn manusia begini, rasa gelap dunia...

semua tak kena, semua salah....setiap infos takde yg baik, semua tak baik:stp:..

tak m ...

:kant::ketuk:katuk je camni kapla dier...kasik perbetul:lol

but sometimes...negative thinking ni needed gak...rather you being a
too innocent and ignorant and letting others duped n swindled you around...
in another word...bukan negative thinker...more like a cynic...

ajinomotonosuga

no solution is solution itself

no action is an action itself.

some ppl see the glass and tell it is half empty, others say half full....which is yours?

others are mirror to us. they actually 'teach' us in their own choosen way including the so called rage ppl. violent ppl or negative ppl. if one cannot teach patience to oneself how on earth can one be patient with others let alone teach others the virtue of patience and being patient. First and foremost DO NOT REACT. Most of us are reacting but we think we were thinking. In the case of those negative ppl, they 'think' negatively (actually reacting) what the difference to US if we jump to any conclusion and hurriedly finding 'solution'? We are just like them and when the two are similar there is no movement. React and re acting. Life is all about ONESELF. Others merely 'schools' for oneself. The spouse, the work, the kids, the dogs, the car , the tress rivers mountain etc. When only there is no ACT, will honesty sincerity prevail and in those circum. love will emerge and only through love will there be many splendour things. ws.

Aku teringat cakap dr fadillah kamsah, tapi lupa exact word dia. Semua manusia disekelling kita ada kepentingan untuk kita

tina^^

agreed with pak aji n remy.

everybody is a teacher to everybody.

if you judge people, you have no time to love them...and u tend to forget a necessary lesson from them......

my-alja

Originally posted by ajinomotonosuga at 8-8-2005 07:19 AM
no solution is solution itself

no action is an action itself.

some ppl see the glass and tell it is half empty, others say half full....which is yours?

others are mirror to us. they actual ...

salam

err....pak aji...

which one is yours?....dun react!

my-alja

salam

errr...it is not about judging people..i guess:hmm:

bcos..i think i was like that before...ermmmm...till i found the rite person who turn me on ...
but i dun have that special talent to make to others....

ajinomotonosuga

alja tak paham 2 baris pertama aku tulis ke tuh?

no solution sometime is solution itself etc?

so too, no answer is sometime the answer itself.

react? junior aku salu sebut aku the coolest guy in the world..hihihi bukan nak bangga..tapi oang kata kalo tak tumbuh tak lah melata..tak sungguh tak kata yer dak alja?

alja change bukan dari anyone pun..tak kire how much talent sapa pun ada, change happened from within, nabi pun tak mampu tukar pakcik dia, so dari penat2 kasik kredit kat oang lain..molek kasik kredit pada diri yang dah berubah , bukan sampai ujub riak sombong cam iblis tapi sekadar peringatan diri jek..life itself about oneself and one's quality reaction dengan dunia luar even spouse, kids, parents, strangers in forum etc.


learn how to be quiet when many and how to be busy when alone.

judging, labeling, stereotyping seme ni are the MANNERS of brain, udah otak manusia dijadikan begitu, extension of the ways brain matures. But the challenge is how one unite in many diversities? The same goes to program society sibuk nak bersatu di sebalik ramai etnik budaya etc, mere the mirror of the inside, nothing outside amuse me ..lama dah i condition my mind never amused to anything, nak kata self centred buleh nak kata selfish buleh , tu seme persepsi luar tak lut pun nak mengores ke dalam, fortress sudah lama terbina:cak:

post aku tu menjawap soklan alja tuh "..tak mudah nak tukar org berpikiran camni...any solutions?"

first rule of influencing others into ur 'perceived good life' is ACCEPTANCE. Kalo alja lihat dunia duk berperang antara lain bukan ke sebab sibuk nak ajar oang lain camna 'budaya depa lebih bagus lebih elok lebih maju lebih seme2'?

dari cite perang vietnam usa tuh sampai laa ni kes iraq tuh..atas nama nak benteras keganasan ka apa ka..saya wisau ramai duk react duk main telan seme main stream media pot pet..rather discern dulu, faham dulu baru digest.

despite many panjang panjang posting saya bebel, tak penah sekilas pun niat saya ada untuk tukar sapa pun, no no!

baik untuk ayah ibu hatta anak sekali pun malah ramai kawan sekali pun..saya tak berniat nak ubah sapa pun kerna saya tahu faham sedar dah lama, bab changes ni dari dalaman. Tapi dalam pada itu agama seru suruh amar makruf nahi mungkar, suruh striving for excellence, suruh raise standard of living, suruh seribu macam kebaikan seolah iduplah kat dunia macam untuk selamanya tapi jangan lupa bebila bleh mati so BAGAIMANA to approach life dengan set, subset begini?

the answer always lies in the question. So to structure a good question is to derive a good answer. Tony Robbin lama da notice this. One must always question oneself in order to find many answers  in life. Human cannot find the answer because they tend to look OUTSIDE. HUman themselves are the answer to many life tragedies. Tenguk jek zaman kini, one part of the world sibuk buat stesen di angkasa, another part plak nak idup esok ntah dapat ntah idak kebulur perang etc..why? Cabarannya, manusia tu jawapannya tapi depa gak masalahnya sama. One last note to alja, reacting tu human nature , sifat azali depa, bab survival gak but manusia wajar didik, kondisi, ajar minda agar tak cepat reak or react berpatutan pada soalan, tu antara lain maksud jawapan 2 baris pertama saya, bab 'restraining' from labeling judging , this is the essence of  open minded, u accept dia, dia pun accept u, bila dedua agreed dah baru bleh move to another level, win/win situation seme pakai mende nih. Edward de Bono ajor kita jangan salu stick to YES and NO, so jangan didik minda kita asyik konservatif, ortodok etc. kerna words are very very limited, ilmu ni kalo 7 lautan di ambil wat dakwat tulis, belum cecah 1 percent pun pesai nature ilmu ni heuristic, bercambah macam Gremlins kalo kene air. Untuk tahu seme tu jalan pertamana membaca, kene power, kene laju kene biasakan lama2 kire cam flashing jek..cam amik gambo..tu kite sebut photographic, tenguk jek dah kenai dah tahu. Bila dah level terlalu tinggi, hati dah bersih, napsu dah di tundukkan ikut kata boss, ilmu tu nanti main datang2 jek..hendak jek dapat..nakk jek dapat..tadak apa yang kita sebut masalah yang ada cuma ujian, oang lain buat salah kita yang rasa salah oang lain mintak maap kita yang takut..in the end cuma ada tuhan maha esa jek..seme2 fana. Saya kalo kawan2 tanya apa pun soklan lazimnya saya jawap dengan another question or saya suke kasik metafora or saya kasik bidalan idiom etc kerna saya nak otak depa bergerak pada new dimension horizon jalan baru. Ada oang dah jumpa tapi depa lupa. Ada oang dah dapat tapi depa sekat. Ada oang mencari tapi depa lari. Ada oang tunggu dan mereka akhirnya tahu. Fikirkan jek. Wsalam.

Remy_3D

hehe the last paragraph remind me aji yang memula dulu (tulis takde perenggan kekeke)

Menda nie simple jer Alja, its how you handle them, orang macam nie, you tak boleh pakai perkataan yes or no, tapi you kena influence them. Yang penting, jangan buat mereka rasa mereka salah.....

brilianxx

bos aku adalah salah seorg drpnya
letih aku nak melawan cakap dia
lepeh nie aku senyap jer dengar aje die bebel (sakit tinge aku)
adus! if there are any solutionnnnnnnnn.....

my-alja

Originally posted by ajinomotonosuga at 13-8-2005 09:58 AM
alja tak paham 2 baris pertama aku tulis ke tuh?

no solution sometime is solution itself etc?

so too, no answer is sometime the answer itself.

react? junior aku salu sebut aku the coolest ...

salam

err..lama tak baca ...cuba nak digest secepat yg boleh apa yg pak aji tulis nie..

i believe the quote.."any changes come from within", tapi benda tu tak datang sendiri kalo kita tak cari atau org tak tunjukkan caranya..:stp:..and proudly said i'm still in the process even a bit slow than others

kalo btollah cam apa yg pak aji tulis tu...takdelah buku covey, tony robbins..carnegie terjual berjuta-juta naskah semata-mata dakwaaan aji manusia takleh berubah..tak gitu?..takdelah para motivasi terkenal dunia boleh bezakan manusia yg berfikiran positif dan negatif sebab benda tu semua membawa aura tersendiri...dan kesannya menakjubkan atas manusia lain?...rasanya pak aji lagi terror bab2 aura dr myself!

kita tahu cemana rasa kalo bergaul dgn manusia yg berfikiran negatif...takkan pak aji tak pernah jumpa selama nie...atau apa yg pak aji bermatian mempertahankan pendirian kat board LP kalo bukan utk memahamkan manusia lain?..just for fun... is it? my man always said.." you can't change people thru ur words but thru ur actions"...or the famous qoutation.."the action speaks louder than word"...dan mungkin sebab me duduk sekali dgn dia, me boleh tgk cara dia dan paham....so the key is observation!..dun tell me pak aji takde skit pun rasa melabel manusia dlm forum nie bila baca mereka punyer posting..sebab pak aji melabel lah, pak aji boleh kata saya nie materialistic...so macam tu gak berlaku dgn negative thingking...ye tak?

learn how to be quiet when many and how to be busy when alone.

selalu tgk org yg camni ialah pencuri...hehheheheh..jgn mare!

react? junior aku salu sebut aku the coolest guy in the world..hihihi bukan nak bangga..tapi oang kata kalo tak tumbuh tak lah melata..tak sungguh tak kata yer dak alja?


kalo lah pak aji tak over react masa saya usik pak aji dulu...rasanya me takkan ade rasa terkilan dgn pak aji atau plg tidak akan mintak mahap!...but you're over reacting sumtime !..and people react because they are fragile !...people react when they are not in control!

[ Last edited by my-alja at 16-8-2005 11:59 PM ]

my-alja

Originally posted by Remy_3D at 13-8-2005 06:30 PM
hehe the last paragraph remind me aji yang memula dulu (tulis takde perenggan kekeke)

Menda nie simple jer Alja, its how you handle them, orang macam nie, you tak boleh pakai perkataan yes or no ...

salam

ermm..setuju dgn you remy....mudah tapi payah!..takde pendekatan yes or no..tapi tulah ambik masa kot..slowly..slowly

Remy_3D

When you say yes, dia akan bangga, and when you say no, dia akan rasa tercabar, but buatkan mereka berfikir, then slowly mereka akan terima your opinion walaupun malu nak ngaku

puterikhaleeda

ada sebab mengapa mereka ni jadi macam nih..from hypnotherapist point of view, ada dalam diri individu itu, satu 'energy' yang telah berjaya 'mengawal' minda diri seseorang. Semuanya bagi 'energy' itu bersebab. selalunya ialah untuk menyelamatkan tuan punya diri. 'Energy' tu 'duduk' dalam diri individu sehingga segala keputusan 'energy' tu yg buat. jadi kita akan nampak seseorang itu berfikiran negative sepanjang masa. Kalau jumpa hypnotherapist, mungkin hypnotherapist boleh bantu untuk dia 'communicate' dengan energy tu dan tanya apa sebenarnya yg 'energy' tu mahu.

wassalahualam

Atomic_Omnikid

Originally posted by puterikhaleeda at 30-8-2005 10:14 AM
ada sebab mengapa mereka ni jadi macam nih..from hypnotherapist point of view, ada dalam diri individu itu, satu 'energy' yang telah berjaya 'mengawal' minda diri seseorang. Semuanya bagi 'energy'  ...

energy itu apa?dalam istilah  sains  ia dipanggil apa?

klkl

u might think that this person u r talking to is a negative thinker
just because he does not think the same as you do

critical for a reason is good towards perfection...sorta zero defect like that Japanese factory do laaa, no defect means no rework means no extra labor means no extra money/aset/capital.

by the way : negative x negative = positive in words can be described as critical thinking can be the asets for perfections, sorta.....

redsinner

someone i knew...

a negative thinker lets u cover up ALL the flaw from ALL aspect. giler2 critical in terms of completing a task or assignment. sometimes make you think twice before going into it. and at ALL time makes you risk-calculate every little action and timing. and highly concern of the outcome coz takut terkena kat dia. heheheh

nak handle? contradict his views...

nazadiyah

negative thinker....ermmmmm mental dia cpt down....cepat mengalah....penakut.....suke melihat org lain mundur ....dengli la tu......

sfhzuraz

orang yg begini tak boleh tengok org lain lebih dari dia
mulalah hati dia tak senang
malah boleh menghasut kt org lain utk sama2 benci kt kita
padahal kita tak kacau pun hidup dia