|
View: 4567|Reply: 8
|
Muslims can drink, just like Muhammad
[Copy link]
|
|
|
Muslims can drink, just like MuhammadAugust 6, 2013 by lordsofthedrinks
 It’s quite well possible to be a good Muslim and still enjoy a drink once in a while.
It is a general assumption that Muslims can not drink alcohol. Not that all believers of Islam go through life sober, but still it’s considered a sin to have a beer. Well, we did a lot of research and in this story we will explain to you why this assumption is wrong. Muslims are indeed allowed to drink. Wine is even glorified in their holy book the Quran and the prophet Muhammad himself drunk too. We hope that soon everywhere in the Middle East the sounds of glasses bashing into eachother will replace those of gunshots. Here we go…
The first thing we need to do is to establish that drinking alcohol is not prohibited by the Quran as is claimed by many. There are three passages that hint in this direction. However not in a single occasion it is called haraam, or forbidden by God, like pork meat for example. Here are the three passages:
Quran 2:219 “They ask you concerning alcoholic drinks and games of chance. Say: in them are harm and goods for men, but their harms exeeds their good effects.“
Quran 4:43 “Do not approach prayers while you are drunk.”
Quran 5:90 “O you who believe! Intoxications and gambling, (dedication of) stones and (divination by) arrows are an abomination of Satan’s handwork: so avoid it that you may prosper.”
Yes, alcohol is not being encouraged here. Although it is said that there are good sides to it, the emphasis is on the bad effects. Still it seems more like an advice not to drink as long as you don’t do your prayers drunk. We understand that talking to God with a double tongue is probably not the greatest idea, but as long as you keep that in mind there isn’t a good reason to chose for abstinence.
Now that we established that let’s check out another passage from the Quran that speaks of alcohol:
Quran 16.67 “And of the fruits of the date palms and the grapes, you obtain alcoholic drinks and goods. Verily in that is a sign for a people who use their understanding.”
In this verse without a doubt is said that God bestowed grapes and dates upon people, so they can make alcoholic drinks from them. That’s right, wine making is encouraged here.
Since we know for sure now that alcohol was not prohibited, but even encouraged, it’s interesting to see how the prophet Muhammad handled his liquor. There are plenty of examples in the Hadiths (tales about Muhammad’s life that are used to understand the meaning of the Quran) that prove he indeed drank alcohol. Here is the most interesting one:
Muslim 3753 “We were with the prophet of Allah and he was thirsty. And a man said: ‘O prophet of Allah, do you want to drink wine?’ Prophet of Allah said: ‘Yes’. The man went to get the wine. The prophet of Allah said: ‘Make it intoxicated’. And he drank.”
Because the Arabian word that was used ‘nabeed’ can also mean alcohol free wine, the addition by the prophet that is must be intoxicated is a very valuable one. There are plenty more passages where Muhammad is drinking wine, both in the morning and in the evening. In many cases the Islamic opponents of alcohol can hide behind the double meaning of the word ‘nabeed’, but in the last habith the Arabic word ‘khamra’ is used, which means alcohol.
And actually Muhammad wasn’t the only one drinking, so did his companions. Anas Bin Malek serves alcohol in Muslim 23, 4884 and 4886. The Mujahedeen drank it in the Battle of Uhudand the prophet’s uncle Hamza even got drunk. When he did, Hamza got mad and Muhammad was scared. This was probably one of the reasons for him to disencourage people to drink too much. There’s also a tale that angels from Allah get drunk and kill a child. Another indication that bad stuff comes from drinking of course.
Still the conclusion must be that although moderation of alcohol is encouraged in Islam, it is absolutely not prohibited. The Quran states nowhere that it is haraam or sinful. The prophet Muhhamad himself that is a role-model for Muslims himself drunk wine, just like his companions and Jezus, who in Islam is also considered a prophet. Now that’s one less reason to fight between religions and one more reason to celebrate. Nice to know withthe Sugar Feast coming up this week too. So to finish in Arabic: besaha!
Micky Bumbar
Here’s another interesting article on the subject by Mesbahuddin Faruq from the Islamic site free-minds.org.
123 thoughts on “Muslims can drink, just like Muhammad”  pickledwings says:
August 6, 2013 at 3:18 pm
This reminds me a of a student I had a few years ago who was involved in the design and construction of a brewery in Kurdistan.
When he told me he was “Going to Iraq to advise on the design for a brewery” I thought he was joking at first.
Reply
 Bar Science says:
August 7, 2013 at 4:54 am
Alcohol can provide a much needed calming of the nerves after a hard day at work. We all need that sometimes.
Reply
 tobeautifulinsights says:
August 11, 2013 at 1:38 am
Haha, okay so I am a Muslim. I don’t judge anyone that drinks alcohol, Muslim or not, because everyone has their reasons. And yes you are correct, at the time of the Prophet many people used to drink to intoxicate themselves. However, after neglecting their prayers and to go even further, attending the prayers absentmindedly (drunk), alcohol was prohibited. One aspect of worship is to be fully aware, to be conscious of what you say and what you think, and to contemplate God and his creation, but being intoxicated doesn’t allow you to do this, in fact it’s purpose is for you to be anything but mentally aware. That is why drinking alcohol is discouraged and considered forbidden to Muslims. But Allah knows best.
Reply
 lordsofthedrinks says:
August 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Well let’s not forget that this interpretation of the rules came centuries after Muhammad lived. So following them blindly would be weird. If you know from yourself you are not harming anyone when drinking, I say go for it. Life is so much nicer with a glass of beer or wine. Your prophets apparently felt the same, so why wouldn’t we?!
Reply
- tobeautifulinsights says:
August 12, 2013 at 5:31 am
Haha oh that’s no interpretation – thats how I see it, and it seems to me like just basic common sense - lordsofthedrinks says:
August 12, 2013 at 7:12 am
So… Your interpretation, which is shared by many others. However this way of looking at it came long after Muhammad.
In countries like Bosnia or Turkey however many Muslims combine their religion with some steady drinking and that seems to work pretty well too.
 mariberlinese says:
August 13, 2013 at 8:44 am
I guess that it’s not a particularity of Islam. Attending prayers being drunk is disrespectful and is not tolerated by the majority of religions known to me.
But indeed I see that the majority of Muslims I know choose total abstinence from alcohol.
The article itself is very interesting and makes the phenomenons like the poetry of Hafiz or raki tradition among the Turks more understandable.
Reply
Last edited by abgsedapmalam on 29-5-2014 12:25 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
- lordsofthedrinks says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:09 am
Yeah the difference is that Muslims are supposed to pray five times a day, where Christians besides mas chose when to pray. It’s easier to fit drinking into the schedule I think.
Although some Christians talk to God every day too and chose to be abstinent all the time too of course.
I would like to see some of this poetry on raki by the way! 
- tobeautifulinsights says:
August 13, 2013 at 4:35 am
Well like I said initially, I wouldn’t judge anyone by his/her choice to drink alcohol. I mean, if a Muslim decides to drink alcohol it wouldn’t make me view them as any more or less of a Muslim. I wouldn’t do that just because they might sin differently than I do. And you are right, many Muslims drink alcohol, and yes many of them are still good people. But to say that *Islam* and the Qur’an allows alcohol, it’s an iffy point. And just because a group of Muslims may do something it does not always make it right
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
August 13, 2013 at 5:33 am
Of course… Well like you said the final word is not up to us humans. Still it’s always good to keep the discussion going! 
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
August 13, 2013 at 5:47 am
And to add a small note to this discussion… We can say that Quran allows alcohol. It even gives you advice on how to deal with it, saying better don’t drink too much.
Now there are many of different streams in Islam. From extremely strict rules to quite loose. It’s not up to me to judge which one is best. But for example I had a friend who was checking every single product she bought for I don’t know how many ingredients. Bread made with dairy products was already a big no. Only bread made with water was halal according to her. Now this was a bit too extreme for me.
Or some people told me I should not use toilet paper, but water instead since this is what the Prophet did too. Well no God is gonna tell me how to wipe my ass, excuse me!
These are just 2 examples that you can go quite far in blindly following every little rule. We must always remember that the Bible and the Quran are just guidelines and they take place in a completely different time. Being kind and helping people in my opinion in a million times more valuable to God than following every little rule.
Reply
 lily says:
December 7, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Good said.. u r right if some choose to do what is not allowed in Islam doesn’t mean it’s right. in qur’en is clear alcohol is forbidden, but because in qur’en also sais God is merciful for people who admit that they were wrong and they stop doing that. so sadly most Muslim use this and if u ask them they will tell u God is merciful. Also muhamend never drunk alcohol.
Reply
- tobeautifulinsights says:
August 13, 2013 at 8:26 am
I quite agree with you on that part, I do know a few people who really look too far into the details than it is necessary.
Dairy is definitely not ‘haram,’ and so I don’t know where your friend learned that as it is not in the Qur’an or sunnah. And yes the Prophet did use water to clean himself, but if he lived in our time he would obviously use toilet paper haha. But of course hygienically, it is ideal to use both water and toilet paper.
Sometimes there are people who look at the traditions of the Prophet as if they are the only way of living. For example, a kind act in his time would to be to lend a camel to a friend – which now would be the equivalent to lending money to a friend. But does that mean that we all must own camels and exchange them to one another? What about in Canada where nobody owns a camel and it would serve no purpose to us anyway? It’s the overall message of ‘being kind’ that is necessary. And it’s the overall message that ‘cleanliness’ was important to him.
And religion is not meant to be a burden on us, as said in the words of the Prophet himself, “Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by worshipping in the mornings, the nights.” [(See Fath-ul-Bari, Page 102, Vol 1). Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 002, Hadith Number 038. Sahih Bukhari Book 02. Belief]
Of course, many Muslims do not know of the teachings of simplicity in Islam made by our prophet, and instead, as you have mentioned, blindly follow traditions and customs taught to them by their parents and elders – and many do not care to read for themselves or to question certain things in their religion to gain a better understanding. A prime example is the fact that forced marriage is forbidden in Islam [4:19] yet is still practiced by Muslims in countries such as Pakistan and India, which they bring here to North America as well. If these people had read God’s words in the Qur’an, they would not be smart enough to not practice this tradition.
You are right, the Scriptures are guidelines for us, not ‘rule books’ to ‘dictate’ our lives. Allah even says himself in his book that he only sets *limitations* and not so much *rules* on people. I made a post a while back called Open Thinking on the Present Day Practice of Islam discussing how some Muslims do not care to read about their religion for themselves and instead choose to get caught up in many little actions which they believe are righteous yet they forget the overall picture and why we are here, the basic foundation of Islam.
In the end it’s only God that can judge. As long as we do our part and try our best to be better people everyday and to contemplate and reason with ourselves and our beliefs, we will be on the right way.
Reply
- tobeautifulinsights says:
August 13, 2013 at 8:28 am
they would* be smart enough^
Reply
 fati's recipes says:
August 16, 2013 at 12:28 pm
This is pathetic. Muslims aren’t allowed to consume alcohol and the “alcohol” described as being in heaven is not the same as the type on earth. You can’t translate literal meaning from the Quran – because you can’t even translate the words themselves properly in the first place – you can only translate a possible meaning. The prophet did not drink – and his companions (after the third verse you mention) did not drink. In fact there were rivers of wine/alcohol which filled the streets of Medina when that last verse came down as people poured out the alcohol.
It really only takes a simple search or quick question (asking a respectable scholar) to confirm the prohibition of alcohol in Islam. It’s not just a sin, it’s one of the “cardinal” sins, in fact.
Reply
 a says:
October 16, 2013 at 6:37 pm
i wish you burn in hell.
as you know the truth and you lying about it all.
scumbag.
Reply
 SQ says:
October 20, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Alcohol is absolutely forbidden in Islam.
Mom: Smoking is an abomination so avoid it!
Me: Well, my mom didn’t technically say I’m not allowed, so I guess she wouldn’t mind if I smoked.
Yeah, that’s not a valid interpretation at all.
Yes, there is wine in Heaven. But alcohol is still haram in this world. There are many things in Heaven that are not allowed in this world.
In ayah 4:43, the word used in the verse is derived from sukr, which embraces not merely intoxicating liquors but everything which causes intoxication.. Many Muslims will say that this ayah refers to dozing off during prayer.
Hadith’s are also mistranslated:
Jabir ibn Abdullah (ra) narrates: We were with the Prophet (s). The Prophet (s) asked for something to drink. One of the companions asked: O Prophet of Allah, shall we not give you nabeez to drink? The Prophet (s) said yes, why not! This companion left quickly and came back with a cup of nabeez. The Prophet (s) said, why didn’t you cover the cup even though it may have been with a stick. Thereafter he drank from it.
Abdullah ibn Mas’ood (ra) narrates: I was present with the Prophet (s) on the night of jinn (The Messenger (s) visited them to convey the Deen of Allah and propagate the truth). The Prophet (s) asked me: O Abdullah do you have any water? I replied I have some Nabeez in a container. The Prophet (s) instructed me and said: pour the water and he performed ablution. Thereafter He (s) said, O Abdullah ibn Mas’ood, it is a purifier and a drink.
It is incorrect to translate Nabeez as wine. The correct translation of nabeez is that drink which has been sweetened by putting dates, grapes or honey (flavoured water with these items) in it but has not reached the stage where it is fermented and becomes an intoxicant. Khamr is translated as wine, Nabeez is not translated as wine.
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: He who amongst you drinks Nabidh should drink that (prepared either from) grapes alone, or from dates alone, or from unripe dates alone (and not by mixing them with one another).
Some types of Nabeez are made my soaking some fruit such as raisins, dates etc. in water over night. When fermented, it becomes alcoholic, like when you ferment any type of fruit.
Reply
 AHMET EMRE NAZLI says:
November 7, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Holy Quran says us to stay away from alchole at Al-Máída 90-91 http://www.kuranikerim.com/english/5.html
you can easily find any person to drink together and he may say that he is muslim; so what is your problem? what do you try to fight against?
You like Muhammed (SAV)? so you are a Muslim too and we appreciate you. You want to be a muslim and alos lords of the drinks? Only Allah can judge you. But why do you need also an image as Drunk Muhammed? Do you want all muslim people to drink? or you try to say he banned alchole but he was whole drunk; so you mean he was a liar? so you mean he was a liar, not a prophet? Arabic language is very rich language, maybe ten times more than english. and your stupid translations seem you are drinking a very beautiful soup with a little teaspoon and then you have right on you to criticize this soup.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
- saif says:
April 30, 2014 at 10:13 am
Foolish ur a cristian who has posted in the name of an muslim(as ur name suggests) no problem get ready for burning in hell.. even i in a certain point i thought that islam is not the true religion(may allah forbid me for this) but i thought this because i hav ocd.. and i am not like other kids.. my friends say that i am useless person this pains me a lot. my self confidence has been destroyed when i go out i think people make fun of me. sometimes i ask allah that why he has given me such a disease but my father has ocd too and my sister too she just remains like a idol and does not go to school(as she is afraid). my family has no true support from my father. teachers friends all make fun of me i am really obessed plzz allah help me and forgive me for my sins..U people are very lucky that ur normal and dont hv any personality behaviour disorder i am very clumsy and emotional i hv just loose trust on every one. even on my self….as i am of no use iam just a garbage and i understand this.. but i dont know why allah give some sections of the worls with every rich and joy, and other sections of the world with full of sorrow ab=nd pain.. i am very lonely i hv only 1 friend and i may even loose him too because of my irrational behaviour which is caused by ocd.. may allah help me i am desperate to get help.. i dint offer namaz becoz of this plz allah forgive me this is not me bahaving its all due to ocd.. plz allah show mw some light and the straight path and help me prove to thw world that even i can do something i am not just aiece of garbage plz allah help me, my sister and every person on earth who is facing injustice and pain….plz allah plz i hv no way out to go i am stuck up here hard plz plz help me allah plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
April 30, 2014 at 11:14 pm
Dude grab a drink, you are losing it!
 Anonymous says:
November 28, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Firstly, you’re facts are wrong. Maybe you were a bit drunk then when you wrote the article.Secondly, why would I believe someone who is a drunk enthusiast and whose screen name is ‘lord of the drinks’.Third, you seem to be an expert in getting drunk, writing drunk stories, writing articles on drunk people, but certainly not religion. To be precise, in Islam. It takes a lot of years or even decades to actually comprehend the Quran. Hence, it is called the ‘Holy Quran’, not just some random paperback. I do hope you weren’t intoxicated when you read it. It is forbidden in Islam, you stated it so yourself. ‘It is not encouraged’. If it were, why does the majority look differently at the Muslims who drinks? This was stated by you too.
Putting Islam respectfully aside for a minute, many people of different religion don’t drink, cause of proven reason, it’s unhealthy. It causes major health problems. Many people due to drinking becomes ill during course of time. It causes anemia, cancer, cardiovascular disease, cirrhossis, seizures, gout, nerve damage, depression, dementia, diabetes ( you do know there are tons of sugar in it), the core of infectious diseases and what not. People who drink heavily also are more likely to engage in risky sex. Many people have become pregnant or is infected with AIDS due to intoxication of alcohol or drugs. And this is very important, I hope you’re reading this with SOBER eyes, thousands of DEATH every year occurs due to the influence of alcohol.
What is alcohol? It is a colourless, odourless and inflammable fluid. A legal, sedative drug which changes the way we feel. Alcohol as a drug does not contain any nutrients for the body. Alcohol is used to manufacture alcohol beverages. ‘NOW WHY WOULD I NEED ALCOHOL AND COMPROMISE MY HEALTH?’ Its not just about religion, it is toxic. Even the USA once upon a time banned it.
‘The prohibition of alcohol in the 1920′s and 30′s in the United States is one of most famous, or infamous, times in recent American history. The intention was to reduce the consumption of alcohol by eliminating businesses that manufactured, distributed and sold it.’
We’re not judging you cause you drink, that’s your life and belief. We’re judging you cause your article claimed to not judge people who drink, but you yourself judge the people who does not and decided to defend their beliefs. Talk about hypocrisy.
And yes, you’ve got your statement wrong TWICE. It is forbidden in Islam and the Prophet PBUH does not drink. You owe the people an apology.
Lastly, you do know that alcohol causes erectile dysfunction and brain shrinkage? Maybe that will keep you quiet, you silly child.
Reply
 Muzaffar says:
November 29, 2013 at 6:37 am
Very nice response brother. We will get such articles defaming about Islam but they will never succeed In-sha-Allah. In Islam all intoxicants are prohibited whether consumed one spoon or full jug.
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
November 29, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Well drinking too much can kill you, yes. But 2 or 3 glasses of wine a day are actually healthy. And if you stand that strong about stuff that’s dangerous for your health, how do you stand on smoking? Or energy drinks like Monster? Or let’s take it a step further: sunlight.
There are so many things in the world that can be bad for the health. Why focus all the attention on alcohol?
Actually most great artists and inventors in history were drinkers. They’ve pushed mankind further. As without them we would be stuck in the Middle Ages!
Reply
 AS says:
May 8, 2014 at 4:04 pm
Well said…clearly, the author of this page is a fan of alcohol.And he has friends who like to have an occasional drink. @Lordofdrinks..Have you read the whole Quran or have you just read the lines that you thought you could twist? Clearly, you do not understand the words of the Holy book. Your friends have chosen a way of life and Allah will see to them in the later life, not us as Allah knows best.We follow hadith as it is the way of living as guided by our Prophet. That does not give you any authority or the right to misguide people by spreading false hadith or by assaulting on a religion’s figure to prove your point. Yes, I admit that we should’nt mistreat the ones who take alcohol, but we should follow life the way it has been said to us through the Quran and hadith. PS. Its not called blindly following, if it was…you are truly lost reading the Quran or the bible ;-)
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
May 9, 2014 at 11:33 am
Actually you don’t have the right to tell me what to think or say. It’s called freedom of speech, you should try to practice it once!
Cheers,
Micky
 ProffG says:
November 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm
I am going only to say one thing that will show this article is fraud. The word نبيذ which was translated by the blogger as wine, its used widely as wine now by Arabic speakers, but in the original Arabic, that word means juice made of grapes or dates, and normally its left for few hours before drinking it, but its not intoxicating and its not by any means an alcoholic beverage. And that drink is still widely drunk in Makkah and the western part of Saudi, in the Makkah slang that drink now is called “Sobia” or “سوبيا” i have personally drunk it so many times having been born in Jeddah which is only 75 KM from Makkah. So if any Muslim is readying this, when you get the opportunity to go to Makkah for Haj or Ummrah, ask the local guys where you can get Sobia, and my recommendation try the white one, its made out of bread.
Reply
 999 says:
November 29, 2013 at 2:06 am
Think about it this way, EVEN IF anyone were to able to justify in any way that alcohol is permitted in Islam, what good is alcohol intoxication in the path of being a good Muslim? What positive outcome could alcohol possibly contribute in pleasing your lord? Let alone devotion towards your creator?
If muslims wish to intoxicate yourselves for the sake of ‘fun’ then by all means. On the day of judgement we all will be accountable for each and every action/intention/thought/influence in sin or in good for ourselves and for the people among us. Only then will we all regret that we had not spent our time on this world in the remembrance of our raab. For we’d rather spend our so limited time in the temporary world having “fun”.
“By time. Indeed, mankind is in loss” 103:1 -103:2
May Allah safeguard us all from the fires of hell.
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
November 29, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Well by that logic cigarettes are even worse. As where a small dose of alcohol is actually healthy, where tobacco doesn’t improve anything. Still some people say alcohol is forbidden? Isn’t that weird?
Reply
 Sergio says:
December 4, 2013 at 12:17 pm
its not actually the alcohol that is of benefit it is certain compounds found specifically in red wine that are theoretically supposed to ease hypertension
 syed taqiuddin says:
November 29, 2013 at 4:02 am
Assalamualaikum, alhamdulillah you read the Quran, may Allah guide u and hope one day u will be a good muslim. But still i have to disagree with ur article. I hope u study more about islam, not just by reading articles in internet but as well find a good imam or scholar and learn about islam from them.
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
November 29, 2013 at 8:02 am
I don’t think it’s likely I’ll become a Muslim any time soon, but learning about other cultures and religions is always fascinating. Thanks a lot for your visit.
Greetings,
Micky
Reply
- Anonymous says:
November 29, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Good luck to you Micky. That is your belief. All in time, all in time. I do hope you’ll find the religion that is best for you one day. Life without a belief, and life without a GOD to lean on is very empty one. You might laugh or smirk or feel smug right now, but one day you’ll see the meaning of it. A note to you though, when you write an article try not to insult others by proving you’re right. There’s always three sides of a story, the good, the bad and the TRUTH.
To end my note,don’t pray for that ‘alcohol’ too much, its man made. Why don’t you pay tribute to the one supreme being who created you instead? That’s a thought there, eh.
Cheers.
- lordsofthedrinks says:
November 29, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Oh my friend, I do believe. I am Catholic actually. But not really practicing I must say. Still I keep in mind the important stuff. In my opinion it’s way more important that you treat the people around you right, rather than not drinking. If you are kind to people and help the needy, I don’t think God cares if you were not always sober!
 Karima says:
November 29, 2013 at 11:19 pm
This is to mislead the Muslims, I will definitely avoid this site.
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
November 29, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Let’s have a minute of silence for this great loss! 
Reply
 ftnick says:
November 30, 2013 at 1:05 am
“Well by that logic cigarettes are even worse. As where a small dose of alcohol is actually healthy, where tobacco doesn’t improve anything. Still some people say alcohol is forbidden? Isn’t that weird?”, said lordsofthedrinks
Can someone so called expert in Islam please answer this? I’m aware that majority of the Muslim men do smoke and if the same HARAM rules apply in this context I think smoking should be forbidden in Islam as well.
As for Pig, I am also wondering why Allah after having created it in the first place and later consider it as HARAM? Are we saying that the great Allah according to Islam do sometime make mistake in His creation. As far as I know this is the best meat ever created by Allah for human consumption compare to the other type of meats.
Reply
 You have it right. says:
November 30, 2013 at 8:03 pm
Smoking (cigarettes, hukkah, weed, etc) is forbidden/haram, many just don’t follow it. Some even go so far as to suggest that it is halal/makruh, despite the entirely of reputable scholarly thought being clear that it is haram.
Reply
- Sergio says:
December 4, 2013 at 12:19 pm
you might well ask the same of the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden, nevertheless, these are the things in life that constitute a choice between a righteous and unrighteous pathway, without this choice there would necessarily be no free will would there….
Reply
- It does you no good to lie to anyone. says:
November 30, 2013 at 3:14 am
this is so wrong, and what makes it worse is that it would’ve been ridiculously easy for the writer to find out how false it is if he/she weren’t desperately grasping at straws to push an agenda. after all, none of the following information is hidden:
it is absolutely clear that alcohol wasn’t forbidden at the very beginning of islam (the qur’an was revealed over 23 years, and the hadith built up until the prophet’s death), but rather that it was slowly forbidden over time.
for instance, verse 16:67 (qur’an) referenced in the post referred to the state of humans before the outlawing of alcohol. eventually, however, verse 5:90 (qur’an), also referenced in the post, was revealed. it says, in no uncertain terms, to “avoid” intoxicants. that’s a direct command to not use intoxicants (alcohol, among all recreational drugs). no amount of stretching either the english or arabic languages will change a direct command into “not being encouraged here. Although it is said that there are good sides to it, the emphasis is on the bad effects. Still it seems more like an advice not to drink as long as you don’t do your prayers drunk.”
for further proof of this, just look right back at the verse. alcohol is being forbidden in the same exact verse, and on the same exact level, as “gambling, (dedication of) stones [idol-worship] and (divination by) arrows ["magic"/fortune-telling],” but no one’s pretending that gambling, idol-worship, and fortune telling are halal, and simply discouraged. you can’t just grab out one part of the same sentence (alcohol/intoxicants), and apply to it different rules from every other part of the sentence. like, “it’s all right bro, you can worship that statue. allah just dislikes it, he didn’t forbid it or anything. after you’re done with that, feel free to wager your house and the future of your family away, it’s only discouraged.”
as if all that isn’t enough (anyone thinking this by now is just desperately looking for some validation), there are numerous hadith that outright forbid alcohol. these, of course, came out after the ruling for alcohol was actually changed. it’s impossible to look at islam via the qur’an alone, as the qur’an itself commands muslims to listen to the hadith (muhammad’s words and actions) when appropriate in verse 4:65 (qur’an). again, the writer could have easily chosen to include these hadith, but he/she didn’t, and that’s going to mislead more than one person.
just some of those examples:
“Narrated by Abi Burda-
Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari said that the Prophet had sent him to Yemen and he asked the Prophet about certain (alcoholic) drink which used to be prepared there. The Prophet said, “What are they?” Abu Musa said, “Al-Bit’ and Al-Mizr?” He said, “Al-Bit is an alcoholic drink made from honey; and Al-Mizr is an alcoholic drink made from barley.” The Prophet said, “All intoxicants are prohibited.”
-Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith (5.631)”
“Narrated by Aisha-
When the last verses of Surat-al-Baqara were revealed, the Prophet went out (of his house to the Mosque) and said, “The trade of alcohol has become illegal.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith (3.429)”
there are plenty of others.
Reply
 TREV says:
November 30, 2013 at 5:28 pm
and, of course, the word “Alcohol” comes from Arabic.
Reply
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
- Ajaz Ahmed Shaikh says:
December 1, 2013 at 1:14 am
Below reply encompasses all questions raised:
The prohibition of alcohol in our deen is an unquestionable reality questioned only by those who have no understanding of the Arabic language or basic principles of Islamic law, and no scholarly resources.
The following should make the ruling of alcohol emphatically clear:
The great Qur’an exegete Maliki jurist and hadith scholar Imam al-Qurtubi says in his Tafsir (commentary of the Quran):
The prohibition of alcohol occurred in stages and [after] many incidents, for they [the Arabs] used to love to drink it. The first [verse] revealed regarding the matter of alcohol was: “They ask you about alcohol and gambling. Say: ‘There is great sin in both although there is some benefit for people…” [Baqarah:219] i.e. [benefit] in their trade. Hence, when this verse was revealed, some people left [alcohol] saying, “We have no need for that in which there is great sin,” and some did not leave it saying, “We take [from its] benefit and we leave its sin.” Thereafter, the verse was revealed: “Do not approach prayer while you are drunk…” [Nisa:43] So some people left it saying, “We have no need for that which distracts us from the prayer,” and some drank it outside the times of prayer until the verse was revealed: “O you who believe! Alcohol, gambling, [sacrificing for] idols, and divining of arrows are only an abomination [of Satan's work…]” [Maidah:90-91]So [alcohol] became prohibited for them such that some of them said, “Allah did not prohibit anything as strictly as alcohol.”
…The saying of Allah (may He be exalted), “Avoid it”, He means: “Stay away from it and put it aside.” Therefore, Allah, exalted He be, ordered for these matters to be avoided. This, combined with [the use of] the imperative form ["Avoid"], the texts of the ahadith [narrations], and ‘Ijma of the Ummah [ i.e.:the consensus of the entire Muslim nation], led to the “avoiding” [in the verse] to be [understood] in regards to prohibition, and by this alcohol was prohibited.
There is no disagreement between the Muslim scholars that Sura Maidah was revealed with the prohibition of alcohol and it is a Madani chapter [ i.e. revealed in Medinah] from the last of that which was revealed [hence, it was not abrogated]. Furthermore, the prohibition of [consuming] carrion meat, blood, and flesh of swine [as] is mentioned in the saying of Allah, exalted He is, “Say: I do not find [in what has been revealed to me anything forbidden for a consumer who wishes to eat it except if it is carrion, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine…]” [An'am:145] and [as is mentioned in] other verses, is by means of an announcement, whereas in alcohol [the prohibition] was stated with a command [to desist] and reproof and this is the strongest of prohibitions and the most emphasized. Ibn Abbas said, “When the prohibition of alcohol was revealed, the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah upon him, walked to each other saying, ‘Alcohol has been prohibited and it has been made equivalent to shirk [associating partners with Allah].’” Meaning it was [mentioned] along with sacrificing for idols and that is shirk. Thereafter, Allah said, “So that you may succeed.” So He made success conditional upon the command [to avoid alcohol] and this indicates emphasizing its obligation. And Allah knows best.
[End of quote – Tafsir al-Qurtubi]
There are several important points Imam Qurtubi mentioned:
1-the order of revelation, making it clear that that the last verse was indeed the one in Sura Maidah, and thus all previous verses were abrogated by it and it wasn’t abrogated by anything.
2-The language of the verse emphatically means prohibition. (Even in English, someone who drinks alcohol is not “avoiding it.”)
3-There is an ‘Ijma – a consensus of all Muslims that alcohol is prohibited. Consensus is one of the basic principles which the Sacred Law is built upon, hence, when there is a consensus on anything and someone denies it, he is no longer a Muslim.
Moreover, the prohibition of alcohol is considered to be from those things which are “known in the Religion by necessity.” Meaning that any Muslim who is asked, be it a child or adult, learnt or not, he would know that alcohol is prohibited in Islam. Another example of this is the prayer –every Muslim knows that the prayer is obligatory. Hence, anyone who denies that which is known in the Religion by necessity has left Islam.
This abovementioned should be more than sufficient but just for additional emphasis…
From the Hidayah of Al-Marghinani:
That alcohol is prohibited in and of itself is not a result of [one being in the state of] drunkenness, nor is it [ i.e.: the prohibition] conditional upon it [i.e.: being drunk]. There are amongst the people those who deny its being prohibited by itself and say, “[Becoming] drunk from it is prohibited because that is what causes iniquity, which is [being] prevented from the remembrance of Allah, may He be exalted.” This is apostasy for it is a denial of the Quran, for Allah [in the Quran] called [alcohol] sin and sin is that which is prohibited in and of itself. Additionally the Sunnah contains mutawatir * narrations from the sunnah that the Prophet, the peace and blessings of Allah upon him, prohibited alcohol, and upon this is the consensus [of the Ummah]…The one who regards alcohol as permissible is [regarded as] a disbeliever…because the prohibition of alcohol is definite.
[end of quote]
*Mutawatir meaning an extensive number of narrations such that it is impossible for the reports to have been forged. In the case of the prohibition of alcohol, there are many narrations with the same meaning, thus making the meaning of the narrations [which is the prohibition of alcohol] mutawatir.
And yes, we will quote some of these narrations even for those who ‘JUST’ want to use the Quran because using the narrations is using the Quran, whether they like it or not. Allah, Almighty and Exalted says:
“…Whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it and whatsoever he forbids you from, refrain [from it].” [Hashr:7]
“Say: If you love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and will forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. If they turn away, then Allah indeed does not love those who disbelieve.” [Imran:30-31]
It is very important that this point be clear – we should never answer someone on the premises of “using the Quran alone” because it is an absurd fallacy. The Quran would never have reached us were it not for the Messenger, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, so if someone doesn’t want to use what the Messenger (peace and blessings be forever upon him), brought – he can’t use the Quran either. Yes, the narrations in the sunnah have different levels of authenticity, from authentic to weak. Nonetheless, there are narrations that have the same level of authenticity as the Quran – the mutawatir (as mentioned above) – such that anyone who denies a narration that is mutawatir is like denying a verse in the Quran – it is disbelief. Likewise, denying that the Sunnah is a source of legislation is disbelief because it is direct denial of the verses quoted above.
Hence, from the collections of Imam Bukhari and Muslim, the narration of Anas, “Alcohol was prohibited for us…”, likewise the narrations of Ibn Umar, and Umar, may Allah be pleased with them all.
This following is narrated by Imams Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Nasa’I, and Ahmad:
“When the prohibition of alcohol was [being] revealed, Umar said, “O Allah! Clarify for us the [matter of] alcohol with a clear statement,” thus the verse which is in Baqarah was revealed, “They ask you about alcohol and gambling. Say: In them is great sin…” So Umar was called and it was read to him and he said [again], “O Allah! Clarify for us the [matter of] alcohol with a clear statement.” Thereafter the verse in Al-Nisa was revealed: “O you who believe! Do not approach prayer while you are drunk…” Hence, the herald of the Messenger of Allah, the peace and blesseings of Allah upon him, would call out when the prayer was about to commence, “Let no drunken approach the prayer,” and Umar was called [again] and it was read to him. He said, “O Allah! Clarify for us the [matter of] alcohol with a clear statement,” so the verse was revealed, “…so will you not refrain?!” Umar said, “We refrain.”
ALL of these Imams included a section on the prohibition of alcohol in their collections. As for those who do not accept the sunnah of the Messenger and they want to “use JUST the Quran” – they have no acceptance from Allah in this deen and have come out of the Light of Islam, peace and blessings of Allah forever upon him.
What has been quoted here is very little compared to the vast literature on the subject, i.e. from all the scholars who have written about the prohibition of alcohol, but inshaAllah it should be more than sufficient for anyone in doubt. Those who would still deny the prohibition of alcohol after all this, it is out of their audacity to deny that which Allah has revealed in His Book and what He has revealed on the tongue of His Messenger, the peace and blessings of Allah upon him and so we say to them: Allah indeed does not love those who disbelieve.
“…Those who do not judge by that which Allah has revealed, those are the disbelievers.” [Maidah:44]
And Allah alone gives success.
Reply
 sam says:
December 1, 2013 at 5:40 am
may allah curse is on person who consume alcohal, Interest …Alcohal is Haram.. Dont poke in ur stupid Views as if ur an scholor.. islam is at its best no one can try to modernaised it….
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 1, 2013 at 7:09 am
You just said that God should curse Muhammad. I’m pretty sure you just commited a major sin in your religion! And why curse anyone who enjoys a drink anyway? What does it have to do with you? You are exactly the ignorant short sighted type we want to reach with this post.
Reply
 s says:
December 2, 2013 at 11:55 am
Muhammad did not consume alcohol. These statements are taken out of context and from unauthorised, questionable sources but what would you expect from non-Muslims.
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 2, 2013 at 6:09 pm
If someone says: bring me wine and make it the fermented one…. How can that be taken out of context?
And since when do you have to be Muslim to understand words? What kind of logic you have hahaha
 Henry says:
December 1, 2013 at 6:30 pm
In quran wine and all sorts of alcohol are banned for all muslims.
The wine considers as work of evil.
Reply
- s says:
December 2, 2013 at 11:52 am
As usual these “passages” are only a part of what is being said. Alcohol IS haraam in Islam.
Reply
 Aisha says:
December 4, 2013 at 9:00 am
Thanks for sharing but YOUR a KAFER (PAGAN)….if you don’t know about Islam so no need to post anything bad about it.
YOu can check this website if you dont belive in islam then read this link
Reply
- Aisha says:
December 4, 2013 at 9:01 am
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/alcohol
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 4, 2013 at 9:03 pm
By your logic I can also not post anything about food, since I am not a chef. Not about airplanes cause I’m not a pilot. And not about the wonderful world of manufacturing trampolines, since I am not in that line of business.
I presume you also want football players to write a story about their own matches affter they are finished playing. Journalists are too objective. Don’t want that of course!
Since you strike me as the kind of person that can not pick up on sarcasm (among other things), this was it.
Kind regards,
Micky the Pagan
Reply
- Sergio says:
December 5, 2013 at 8:47 am
its not the same, and you know its not the same, anyone Muslim or not can learn about Islam and its theology and traditions, you might want to consider the variety of scholars on Islam at, for instance the London School of Oriental and African Studies as a case in point, you have not and clearly don’t know anything about Islam, hence you wrote this stupid article where you have deliberately misquoted, used poor translations, or misinterpreted for your own ends. I am not going to judge you for not being Muslim and commenting on Islam, I am going to judge you on being ignorant and self-righteous about the stupidest shit I have read for a long time.
PS What difference does it make if you like getting drunk to half the world and their abstinence make to you?
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 5, 2013 at 11:49 am
Sergio if I was your bartender I would serve you a double whiskey on the house right away. You so need a drink dude.
Cheers,
Micky
- Sergio says:
December 5, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Well feel free to send me the money for it fella, and lets face facts, my opinion is unlikely to change based on whether I’m drunk or not (though I’m sure my manner of expressing myself clearly would), you clearly are something of a fool and should stick to what you know rather than embarking on this particular ludicrous enterprise, which far as I can see has only succeeded in pissing a bunch of people off, which I can only surmise gives you some twinge of pleasure you silly silly person
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 6, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Now I might be drinking today, but who is on who’s blog? I wish you all the best buddy, just loosen up a little!
- Sergio says:
December 6, 2013 at 11:34 pm
I’m plenty loose lad, all the best to you too, I’d leave the islamic scholarship alone if I were you though
 apasserby says:
December 7, 2013 at 2:46 am
If you believe in God, then make your peace with God, and don’t pick fights because you think you ought to. God wouldn’t ask you to judge others, whatever your doctrine. If you don’t believe in God, you should recognise that’s a decent tenet for you too. It’s good to know your own mind but God would love your peace and humility and accept that whoever you are, and whatever you believe, could be right or wrong.
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 11, 2013 at 6:51 pm
I’m not looking for fights at all mate. And I don’t judge anyone for their lifestyle. But if people get insulted by this story they probably have serious issues. What’s that line from the movie again? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Anyway, thanks a lot for stopping by and taking the time to post a reply. I drink to your health!
Micky
Reply
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 11, 2013 at 10:42 pm
An extra thing the people who stay abstinent may want to think about…. You run more risk of an early death guys!
http://lordsofthedrinks.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/abstinent-people-more-likely-to-die-young-than-heavy-drinkers/
Reply  Surya Alam Gultom says:
December 20, 2013 at 8:17 am
Interesting article Micky, I’m Catholic. I don’t drink alcohol. I prefer to drink avocado juice and eat Junk Food. Not because I do not like alchohol, but life becomes more fun than drunk, it’s my opinion man. So can we be friend?
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
December 20, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Sure we can haha… I believe everyone should make their own choice if they want to drink or not. So here’s a digital cheers. Let my beer meet your avocado juice! ;)
Reply
 oogenhand says:
January 11, 2014 at 6:24 pm
Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
Always be honest. Hell is eternal.
Reply Von says:
January 15, 2014 at 3:21 am
http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/faithfreedom-wikiislam/muhammad-drank-wine-performed-ablution-5548
Reply donalclancy says:
February 18, 2014 at 3:20 pm
Wow, you stirred up a hornets nest with that article. Funny how fundamentalists are so upset by rational debate and searching inquiry. Funniest is how some religious muslims avoid alcohol but smoke hashish or chew Qat all day
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
February 18, 2014 at 3:28 pm
True that! Actually I am glad there are also some replies by Muslims who actually read their book and did some thinking themselves, rather than just following the ignorant and screaming herd.
I know how a lot of Muslim friends in Holland get looked down on just because they enjoy an occasional drink. fxxkxxxg hypocrits of course!
Reply
- donalclancy says:
February 18, 2014 at 3:52 pm
Christians hold no moral high ground though. Most don’t realise that the bible was mostly written 100 years after the supposed events surrounding a guy for whom there is absolutely no historical record. Like me writing a book today deifying a lay preacher who died in world war 1 but left no written record Like the Sandringham pals brigade who were snatched out of Suvla by an Angel! - lordsofthedrinks says:
February 18, 2014 at 4:07 pm
I like to compare both books to this game we played as kids in primary school. Where you form a circle and whisper on a sentence. Usually the text isn’t the same at the end as it was in the beginning.
This in mind and projected on religion it’s pretty dangerous to follow a book to the lettre. I believe it’s better to embrace the basic message which is basically meant well and to make our lives easier.
Simplefied it means that you should treat people the way you want to be treated. If you do well, I’m sure God doesn’t give a shit if you drink or not.
In the same matter: I am sure God also doesn’t care if we go through life with a beard or shaved, if we clean our ass after a shit with water or paper. In the last case you should just make sure your ass is clean, it doesn’t mean you have to clean it in exactly the same way as the prophet. ;)
 .... says:
March 2, 2014 at 2:20 am
Are you stupid?
Alcohol was different back then? They didn’t intoxicate you!
Reply Rach says:
March 12, 2014 at 9:35 pm
What was written in this article is disturbing and disrespectful to muslims. No matter how much you try to mislead our brothers and sisters you are going to fail miserably. We true muslims know what is right and what is wrong to do and our prophet left us two things if we stick to them we will never be mislead his SUNA and the holly book of Quran. Wine and bear are forbidden and muslims that drink are on the wrong may allah return them to the right path( amen). Alcahol causes people to loose their mind and cause trouble to themselves and the society. there is lots of crimes and broken relationships because of people getting drunk. Islam is a religion of peace and alcohol breaks peace when people get drunk. may allah lead you to the right path and show you the light of islam. who knows you might become a muslim one day and see how beautiful my religion is.
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
March 13, 2014 at 2:51 pm
What about teaching people to drink in a responsible way without hurting others? If some can’t control themselves, why would we all have to suffer?
Cheers to your health mate!
Micky
Reply
 Mohammad Raihanur Rahman says:
March 24, 2014 at 6:43 am
Alcohol kills You! it effects our liver..drinking is a slow suicide…and suicide is haram in Islam…!
Reply- Mohammad Raihanur Rahman says:
March 24, 2014 at 6:48 am
Islam means peace..peace of Mind & purity of Soul..! Drinking is a work of Satan..not a True human
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
 JR Danyon says:
April 6, 2014 at 5:08 am
Right on lordofthedrinks! The best way to handle fundamentalists or “fundies” is what Oscar Wilde said – “Love your enemies; nothing annoys them so much” They have a severe allergic reaction to freedom of opinion and speech that falls outside of their collectivist dogma.
Furthermore, as far as these Muslims’ claims that one of God’s rules is that alcohol is “evil”, maybe they should remember that the Bible, the Torah and the Quran were all written by HUMAN BEINGS. That’s right – simple-minded, paranoid, vindictive, belligerent human beings who CLAIMED to be inspired by God. They weren’t actually written by God himself. It really pisses me off when I hear people putting words in God’s mouth. Do Muslims really think that God would oppose alcohol? Why would that be a divine law? If these Muslims are so interested in “God’s laws”, then they should study science and ONLY science as a religion, because science is the roadmap for demonstrating the TRUE laws of God, like gravity, momentum, acceleration, chemical reactions, circular motion, thermodynamics, etc., etc., etc. There you have it Muslims – you should actually be worshipping Isaac Newton and others like him as their prophets – he and they are the true messengers of God!
And by the way, Muslims, even if Muhammad PBUH did not drink, that’s not the point. What Islam SHOULD be against, is OVERCOMSUMPTION OF ANYTHING! Of course drinking in excess is bad, but I’ve got news for you – ANYTHING in excess is bad! Shit, some people smoke 4 packs of cigarettes a day and die at 45. Where is the Muslims’ outrage over that? Why isn’t cigarette-smoking considered “evil”? Similarly, why isn’t coffee deemed “satanic” as well? I’ve seen people down 6 cups of coffee a day and be very close to a nervous breakdown or threatening to punch someone in the face. How can that be in any way healthy? But Muslims overlook that as being attributable to a small minority of people who do it excessively. And you know what, Muslims are right about that? So then why do they not treat alcohol in the same way they treat cigarettes and coffee? Why the double standard? I want Muslims to answer this question – I want to no why it’s ok for people buy and smoke 4 packs of cigarettes a day and die prematurely and it’s not ok for me to come home on a Friday night after a long work-week and have JUST ONE BEER WITH MY DINNER IN THE COMFORT OF MY OWN HOME? I’M NOT HURTING ANYONE! In fact, after drinking the one beer, I feel very calm, relaxed and peaceful. After having that ONE beer, I watch a film with my wife and then we go soundly to sleep. Another question for you Muslims – the claim you make about Alcohol is the same one anti-Muslims make about you and they’re wrong. Do I think that all Muslims are terrorists, just because Middle-Eastern terrorists are Muslim? Of course I don’t think that! I personally believe that 99.99% of Muslims are good people. Similarly, Muslims, you need to understand that 99.99% of people who consume alcohol do not do so to get drunk. Most of them, like me, prefer to have one drink per week on a Friday night in the comfort of their own home to RELAX. You know that word, UNWIND, don’t you? You may want to try it sometime. And if alcohol isn’t your thing, then drink grape juice instead of wine. It’s your choice. Just don’t call me evil for doing something I know is perfectly safe and good.
Remember, anyone can write a Bible, a Torah or a Quran, but only God can make a tree.
Peace to you all.
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
April 6, 2014 at 7:55 am
Thanks a lot for your reply JR… At first I was afraid it was gonna be some hate against Muslims when you named them as our enemies. For the record: We don’t see them like that at all. Actually we were pleasantly surprised when we studied what their holy books say on alcohol (that’s why the post).
Even though I don’t agree on everything you say, you do raise some very interesting questions. I hope it will lead to a discussion that we can all learn from.
Cheers,
Micky
Reply
 douryeh says:
April 7, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Reblogged this on Daily Observation and commented:
Interesting… didn’t know the hadith. Alcohol is commonly understood as prohibited in Islam, but it’s true, that it is a forgivable sin. You won’t go to hell for drinking only. Your prayers won’t be accepted though.
Reply
 Fyza lee says:
April 8, 2014 at 10:11 am
Where did u get this information? Our Prophet Muhammad pbuh didnt take any alcohol. What kind of quran did u refer? There was so many fake quran nowadays to make muslims lost from their hold. Pls stop spreading lies about us muslims.. I dont know why u guys like to do this kind of things. We’re muslims dont even care about ur religion, pls respects ours.
Sincerely
Fyza Lee
Reply
- lordsofthedrinks says:
April 8, 2014 at 10:14 am
Everything that is said in this text is backed up with sources. Go see for yourself if you don’t believe us. Besides that I believe we spoke quite respectful about your religion.
Greetings,
Micky
Reply
 Faiz says:
April 19, 2014 at 8:39 pm
The correct format and translation of the two Ahadith is presented here:
3753 – حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ وَأَبُو كُرَيْبٍ وَاللَّفْظُ لِأَبِي كُرَيْبٍ قَالَا حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ عَنْ الْأَعْمَشِ عَنْ أَبِي صَالِحٍ عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ
كُنَّا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَاسْتَسْقَى فَقَالَ رَجُلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَلَا نَسْقِيكَ نَبِيذًا فَقَالَ بَلَى قَالَ فَخَرَجَ الرَّجُلُ يَسْعَى فَجَاءَ بِقَدَحٍ فِيهِ نَبِيذٌ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَلَّا خَمَّرْتَهُ وَلَوْ تَعْرُضُ عَلَيْهِ عُودًا قَالَ فَشَرِبَ (مسلم)
Jabir ibn Abdullah radhiallahu anhu narrates, we were with the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam asked for something to drink. One of the companions asked: O Prophet of Allah, shall we not give you nabeez to drink? The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said yes, why not! This companion left quickly and came back with a cup of nabeez. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said, why didn’t you cover the cup even though it may have been with a stick. Thereafter he drank from it.
3594 – حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ لَهِيعَةَ عَنْ قَيْسِ بْنِ الْحَجَّاجِ عَنْ حَنَشٍ الصَّنْعَانِيِّ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمَا
أَنَّهُ كَانَ مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَيْلَةَ الْجِنِّ فَقَالَ لَهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَا عَبْدَ اللَّهِ أَمَعَكَ مَاءٌ قَالَ مَعِي نَبِيذٌ فِي إِدَاوَةٍ فَقَالَ اصْبُبْ عَلَيَّ فَتَوَضَّأَ قَالَ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَا عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ مَسْعُودٍ شَرَابٌ وَطَهُورٌ (مسند أحمد)
Abdullah ibn Mas’ood radhiallahu anhu narrates, I was present with the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam on the night of jinn (The messenger sallallahu alaihi wasallam visited them to convey the Deen of Allah and propagate the truth). The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam asked me: O Abdullah do you have any water? I replied I have some Nabeez in a container. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam instructed me and said: pour the water and he performed ablution. Thereafter He sallallahu alaihi wasallam said, O Abdullah ibn Mas’ood, it is a purifier and a drink.
Is nabeez a form of alcohol in that arab era? NO
Did the Prophet Muhammad ever touched or drank alcohol? NO
Do Quran and Hadith mentions to avoid and prohibits Alcohol? Yes
Is drinking Alcohol a sin according to Quran? Yes
The five Ayat (Ayas) of the Quran that most directly address the consumption of alcohol are as:
1. They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: “In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.” (Al-Baqara; 2:219)
2. And from the fruit of the date palm and the vine, ye get out wholesome drink and food: behold, in this also is a sign for those who are wise. (An-Nahl; 16:67)
3. O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say…. (An-Nisa; 4:43)
4. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination, Of Satan’s handiwork: Eschew such (abomination) that ye may prosper. (Al Maeda; 5:90)
5. Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of God, and from prayer: Will ye not then refrain? (Al-Maeda; 5:91)
Once again, I advise one and all to acquire knowledge pertaining to the Deen but carefully and diligently. Muhammad ibn Sireen rahimahullah has said: “Knowledge is the basis of your Deen. So choose carefully who you acquire it from.”
P.S Evil work of this article, misinterpretation of Quran and Hadith from a Satanic Non Muslim can NEVER prove Islam give permission to sins.
Reply
 Mariam says:
May 5, 2014 at 9:49 pm
Muslims follow the quran AND the hadith of the prophet. This hadith clearly states that intoxicants are haram:
It was narrated from Salim bin ‘Abdullah, from his father, that:
The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: “Allah has forbidden Khamr, and every intoxicant is unlawful.”
khamr means wine
Reply
 Haris says:
May 12, 2014 at 9:46 am
Thank you for saying the truth Lords! In Bosnia we drink like hell and we are good Muslims too. So to our brothers don’t judge us because we have the best rakija in the world and drink from it! Cheers from Bosnia!
Haris
Reply
 Alija says:
May 12, 2014 at 9:52 am
I would like to say I am very happy you wrote about this. I am from Bosnia, but now I live in Sweden. Me and my whole family is Muslim but we all drink alcohol. It is in our culture for 100′s of years. Some Muslim people in my city say we are not good Muslims because of this but that is bullshit. We don’t smoke weed or steal or fight for fun like a lot of them. We just drink a lot some times. Now who is bad they or us?
Greetings,
Alija
Reply
Pingback: Islam and Alcohol? - Religious Education Forum
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Huih!
[AceHand SPECTaceLAR]
Panjangnya...
Jizzz... Klong! Klong!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Post time 29-5-2014 12:09 PM
learner says: 
Ali says: 
Mustapha says: 
变色卡
Author
passerby says:
Zzz says:
abdulmumini says:
Ahmed says:
sailab says: 
MariAngie says: 
Mashar says: 
muslimsjustwannahavefun says: 
Abdullah says: 
Post time 20-12-2020 01:17 AM
![[tvN/Disney+ 2024] LOVE YOUR ENEMY - Ju Ji Hoon, Jung Yu Mi ~ 23 November 2024](https://uf.cari.com.my/forumx/mforum/block/59/59a0b0b089db1cda0f378e6fae637fb1.jpg)
