Selalu nyer kalo BUK-M/SAM tembak patut nampak trail smoke kan... ada ssapa prasan x kat TV ms kejadian?
Dr Russian Chief:
"Chief of the Russian Land Forces’ tactical air defense troops Maj. Gen. Mikhail Krush said he doubts that the Malaysian passenger liner was brought down by a Buk surface-to-air missile system. “No one observed a Buk engaging targets in that region on that day, which provides 95 percent proof that Buk systems were not used in this concrete case,” the general said in an interview with the Voyenno-Promyshlenny Kuryer military weekly to be published on Wednesday [July 30th]. ”This is no more than a theory for now. However, a guided missile launched by a Buk missile system leaves behind a specific smoke trail as it flies, like a comet. In daylight this trail can be clearly seen within a radius of 20-25 kilometers from the missile system. It cannot remain unnoticed. There are no eyewitnesses to confirm there was any. No one reported a launch. This is one thing,” he said. “Second. The holes left by the strike elements on the Boeing’s outer skin indicate that the warhead blew up from below and sideways. A Buk missile strikes the target from above,” he said. “The damage done to the plane suggests that a different missile was used. Our guidance method is a zoom, when the missile strikes the target from above covering it with a thick cloud of fragments” the general said. “I cannot state categorically, guided by this data, but I can suggest, using my experience, that it was not a Buk missile that hit the Boeing,” the expert said."
ctrl+F posted on 15-10-2014 03:45 PM
attention @zainmahmud
De Bruin said no other bodies from the wreckage were found wearing masks. He said he did not know where the Australian victim had been sitting in the plane.
All 298 passengers and crew died when the jet flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur ended up in pieces July 17. Dutch air crash investigators said it was likely struck by multiple "high-energy objects" which some aviation experts say is consistent with a missile strike.
The head of the criminal investigation said the most likely scenario being investigated is that the Boeing 777 was shot down from the ground.
mnm77 posted on 15-10-2014 03:24 PM
Tapi tak ramai yang nak komen pasal gambar ni...
Bukan org ramai tak nak komen. Tapi banyak technical terms yg tidak difahami oleh org biasa. Terutamanya bila melibatkan kesan tindakbalas senjata terhadap sesuatu permukaan.
Saya rasa mh17 adalah antara rangka atau sampah yang terbaik utk dianalisis memandangkan ianya sempurna dan bersih.
zainmahmud posted on 16-10-2014 10:19 PM
De Bruin said no other bodies from the wreckage were found wearing masks. He said he did not know where the Australian victim had been sitting in the plane.
All 298 passengers and crew died when the jet flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur ended up in pieces July 17. Dutch air crash investigators said it was likely struck by multiple "high-energy objects" which some aviation experts say is consistent with a missile strike. The head of the criminal investigation said the most likely scenario being investigated is that the Boeing 777 was shot down from the ground.
1. BUKAN De Bruin yang tulis dalam preliminary report. Dia criminal investigator, bukannya air crash investigator.
2. BELUM ada apa-apa kesimpulan tentang pengesahan SAM yang jatuhkan MH17, semua spekulasi SAM yang tersebar dalam media belum terbukti.
3. De Bruin sedang buat SIASATAN tentang senario siasatan yang menjurus kepada SAM digunakan, bukannya dia kata SAM telah digunakan.
zainmahmud posted on 24-9-2014 10:02 AM
Prelim report dah tulis kata kes ni bertepatan dgn kesan tembakan SAM.
Sila bagitau kat muka surat berapa dalam preliminary report tu yang tulis KES NI BERTEPATAN dengan kesan tembakan SAM.
mnm77 posted on 17-10-2014 08:57 AM
1. BUKAN De Bruin yang tulis dalam preliminary report. Dia criminal investigator, bukannya air cra ...
Klu kau x jumpa dlm prelim tu, then kau tak jumpa la, sbb kau nak fahamkan base on pendapat kau. For those yg nk pahamkan mcm aku, maka cara citer lapuran tu diphamkan cara aku dan depa la. Hope this clarify ur doubts.
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yaminz posted on 17-10-2014 09:02 AM
kena rebuild balik body MH17 & baik tau camne keadaan peswat selpas kena tembak...
Yup. Kalaulah ada usaha dari pihak Amsterdam dan KL utk ke arah rebuild debris yg ada, barulah usaha menetukan arah dan jenis senjata menjadi lebih mudah. Biar pihak pihak laknatullah yg serang dikenakan hukuman berat kali ni.
zainmahmud posted on 17-10-2014 11:05 AM
Klu kau x jumpa dlm prelim tu, then kau tak jumpa la, sbb kau nak fahamkan base on pendapat kau. For those yg nk pahamkan mcm aku, maka cara citer lapuran tu diphamkan cara aku dan depa la. Hope this clarify ur doubts.
Kalau kau jumpa mana BUKTINYA? Kau sendiri yang tulis ada dalam preliminary report kan...?
Kalau ikut cara kau, benda yang tak dicerita dalam perliminary report to yang kau dok jaja.... kononnya preliminary report tu tulis...
Kau tak perlu pun ikut cara aku faham, apa yang perlu, TELUS, bila dah salah tulis, ngaku aja la. Tak payah konar-konar.
Aku cuba nak tengok kau ni betul-betul terbuka untuk berbincang yang BENAR, atau nak menang semata-mata. Orang yang jenis nak menang semata-mata, bila dah jelas buat salah atau tersalah pun masih taknak ngaku.
zorrro_03 posted on 16-10-2014 10:32 PM
Bukan org ramai tak nak komen. Tapi banyak technical terms yg tidak difahami oleh org biasa. Terutamanya bila melibatkan kesan tindakbalas senjata terhadap sesuatu permukaan.
Saya rasa mh17 adalah antara rangka atau sampah yang terbaik utk dianalisis memandangkan ianya sempurna dan bersih.
Maksud saya, tak banyak ulasan dari pakar yang dilaporkan dalam media pasal kesan 'puncture holes' pada bahagian atas cockpit, yang tembus ke bawah lantai cockpit... dan kesannya seperti banyak lubang yang cantik, membulat...
Kat tepi cockpit tu ada ramai juga yang ulas kata kesan missile shrapnels, tapi kesan tembus masuk dan tembus keluar (inward dan outward) tak pula diulas...
Kalau orang biasa memang tak ramai yang dapat ulas, memang la susah sikit nak bincang pasal technical terms yang digunakan....
mnm77 posted on 17-10-2014 03:06 PM
Kalau kau jumpa mana BUKTINYA? Kau sendiri yang tulis ada dalam preliminary report kan...?
Kala ...
Chait podah, mau gaduh lg? Kefahaman teori konspirators mcm hang semua sama, hang boleh tengok kefahaman mereka2 yg ckp high velocity projectile itu adalah missile strike dan penyiasat utama depa pon jurus ke arah sam strike. Lg mau pusing ka? Org dh tak ikut teori konpirasi hang sudah la, jgn la dok nak jaja kata sat mesingan, pastu aam, pastu kata aam dulu pulak then followed by mesingan, yanda dey?
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