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Originally posted by drBaBy at 11-8-2005 05:12 PM:
u have great collections of books on islam eh...yet i dont see any signs or symptoms that u are practising...leave alone practising, menghayati pun tak nampak....ni penilaian melalui cara anda menu ...
hmmm...still very very angry huh...?
well, dear cik drBaby...always love ladies with spirit...and you have plenty...the only problem is you're trying to defend something indefensible...stop being silly...
don't understand why are you so worked up defending potter...is jk rowling your grandmother??...err...jangan mara...
i tought you'd be grovelling at my feet thanking me for crusading for people to read GOOD books..and make malaysia a less stupid nation...yes malaysians by and large are not very sophisticated in their reading taste...reading manga, mastika, urtv and feel proud of it!!! gooood loooord!!!!
you call me chauvinistic??...you know what , you're partly right... i don't think women are such good writers in general...there are much much fewer good women writers compared to men... ini mesti buat awak lagi naik angin...but it's true... even in COOKING!...men are better...look around...who are the best chef... chef wan is a man..though sometimes i mistake him for a woman...err...just joking...
ps...cik sherrinna...yes..feisal tehrani may be good ...though i've never read him...i know that his thesis was on "Gabriel Garcia Marquez's Hundred years of solitude"... anybody reading marquez (not the guy with this nick who posted funny nonsense here)...must be good...
and i dare say feisal tehrani will fall over laughing if he reads that people here are proud reading silly mags like mastika etc...
and there's another good writer in malay ..uthaya p sankar...a tamil at that!!..he writes good children stories too... but nobody fall head over heel like some do over potter.... for him.... |
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Faisal Tehrani boring giler (bukan personaliti, tapi buku tulisan dier)... Uthaya Sankar flash in the pan, after sasterawan pulau cinta tulisan dia tak meruntun jiwa langsung. |
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Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 11-8-2005 01:30 PM:
Firstly...to ritchie blackmore...
aku jantan lah... and 200% hetero....so don't sexually harass me......
but being hetero doesn't stop me reading GOOD gay books though... currently I'm readi ...
..one helluva long "resume"..wow, i'm so friggin' impressed ;)
GB, while i can understand your noble intention, but judging from your opening post & the way you responded to all these comments, i dont think you gonna get your message across , ever. Am surprised that all these insults on other people's reading preferences came from an "elite" person with great taste in books & who has seen different sides of the world more than anyone else here. A lil acknowledgement would not hurt your egolah..Tak baiklah macam tu. Kalau GB lebih receptive rasanya sedikit sebanyak they will ponder and take your suggestions/comments positively.
Honestly, i don't read Harry Potter but i don't mind reading it only if i have 48 hours to kill & run out of books to read. But thats because i have different interests in reading. I may not be an avid and sophisticated reader like you or others but i do have my own preferences and it can range from anything, tak kiralah apa including what you called "trash" asalkan yg sesuai ngan akunyer interest ..It cud range from Gila-gila, Hai, Mangga , Media Hiburan , URTV hehe jangan marah bang .. to those written by Grisham, Sheldon, Paton, Solzhenitsyn, Irving, Tolstoy, Styron, Lamb, Marquez, Faulkner etc etc..Though i have not been reading much lately sebab limited time, work & exams..uh-oh plus there's Akademi Fantasia & Malaysian Idol ;)
Lastly, this piece of post from ya on my favourite magazine..can't you be any more subtle than this? It sure did PMO.
and dear dear me!!...you defending stupidity and rubbish like mangga!!! this stupid magazine and the like ought to be BANNED...because they can only harm the readers...by making them stupid...
p/s Ekcheli, aku pon masih blur (or rather don't give a rat's ass) apa yg dikatakan good books tu. Buku yg meninggalkan kesan yg sungguh profound sampai berhari2, berbulan2 dok ingat karakter2 dlm buku tu? Buku yg buat kita terasa berada dalam cerita tu sendiri, you could feel /touch apa yg didescribekan? Buku yg hanya menggunakan 2-3 bait perkataan dalam satu sentence tapi memberi seribu makna? Books that could transform you into another person, whether good or bad? Buku2 yg ditulis oleh penulis2 yg diiktirafkan sebagai yg terhebat , walaupon pada hakikatnya kau tak tau apa kejadah yg kau baca albeit 2-3 kali kau khatam buku tu? Buku yg buat kau rasa ghairah sedangkan ia bukan buku porno?
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Originally posted by Lana at 11-8-2005 08:58 PM:
..one helluva long "resume"..wow, i'm so friggin' impressed ;)
GB, while i can understand your noble intention, but judging from your opening post & the way you responded ...
oh yeah..i should also include malay [quote] porno [unquote ] in the list.. |
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i quote this from a forumnist:
....Kita hanya bisa memberi pendapat atau nasihat. Sama ada org mau menerima pendapat atau nasihat kita, itu terserah pada diri masing2. Manusia punya hak dan punya kebebasan utk mengatakan 'tidak' atau 'tidak mau'. Kita punya hak utk menyuarakan pendapat kita, mereka juga punya hak utk menyuarakan pendapat mereka. Menurut Ibu, jikalau kita mau pendapat kita - dan diri kita - di hormati orang, maka kita harus belajar utk menghormati pendapat dan diri orang lain. Seharus nya kita jgn ngotot, jgn memaksa org utk menerima atau menelan kata2 kita. Setiap isu bisa di liat dari bbrp penjuru atau sudut dan dari berbagai aspek dan perspektif. Kadang2, ia juga bersifat subjektif dan kita sebagai manusia harus bersikap objektif. Bersyukur lah kalau orang sudah mau mendengar kata2 yang keluar dari mulut, hati dan fikiran kita. Tetapi ingatlah, setiap kata2 kita mencerminkan dunia pengetahuan kita dan pengetahuan kita tentang dunia.
Belajar lah utk menerima seseorang itu seadanya. Jgn memaksa dia utk menjadi apa yg kamu mau. Dunia ini luas terbentang. Byk yg bisa kita pelajari walau dari seekor semut sekali pun. Dunia ini juga penuh dgn masalah. Dan salah satu masalah nya adalah terlalu ramai manusia yg hanya pintar berkata2 tetapi dalam waktu yg sama, mereka tidak pintar mendengar kata2. Ketahuilah, mendengar dgn baik adalah satu seni. Maka itu perbaikilah seni pendengaran mu.
Keluarlah mencari ilmu, perbanyakan lah membaca dan melihat. Belajar lah utk bergaul dgn manusia, tidak kira bangsa, agama atau negara. Gunakan lah mata, telinga dan akal mu dgn baik. Adakala nya apa yg kamu lihat tidak saperti apa yg kamu sangka dan begitu sebaliknya.
Selamat mencari ~
Mom, Ibu, Mahameru
p/s:i dunno whether it's relevant or not. i don't read good/quality books in
my life and so this might be the-oh-so-lame statement.
the last time i read a good book, rasanya buku Under the Banyan Tree
by Sheldan J. Segal. tapi tak tau la tu quality book atau tidak.
citer pun pasal 'pokok' je.
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blackmore....
kau buat aku geli dan gatal gatal seluruh badan...apa ke hal kamu nak peluk cium aku...kan aku macam kau...jantan....kalau kau nak cium drBaby supaya dia sejuk sikit adalah logik sikit...but i think drbaby ni masih naik minyak...or is it ...turun minyak?...so be careful...
back to topic...
apa lah kamu semua hentam aku yang berkata yang benar?...why accusing me as arrogant...I'm right and you guys are wrong...as simple as that....just take it like a man or woman.....kalau kamu semua masih berdegil menegakkan benang dan kain yang basah...well...what can I say...you can lead a horse to the trough...but can't force them to drink...as the saying goes...
doesn't hurt improving our reading habit...why crucify me?
lana...it's true what is good or bad is subjective...but there are basic or even shall i say a priori(?) understanding of what constitute good and bad.... i have some postings discussing what is literary fiction and a few others...try to scroll down this book forum and check my threads and hopefully all of you will think more kindly of me..... |
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Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 12-8-2005 09:34 P
lana...it's true what is good or bad is subjective...but there are basic or even shall i say a priori(?) understanding of what constitute good and bad.... i have some postings discussing what is literary fiction and a few others...try to scroll down this book forum and check my threads .......
GB, i've heard of all these "rule-of-thumbs" before..good lit/book posesses artistic quality yada yada...expression of life in words of truth and beautylah , that move your imaginationlah, a whole new experiencelah.. magiclah bla bla bla...but the truth is , i don't really care..i read what i wanna read ..and i read what i think could offer me that sense of enjoyment & satisfaction/fulfilment.. a good book to me may be a boring book to others..cos , like blackmore said, everyone is unique and has different inclination..& the way one was brought up, social surroundings, objectives in life , past experiences etc etc could also influence his/her choice of books..
but your suggestion to check the threads will not go unnoticed...when i have the time and mood, that is..;)
Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 12-8-2005 09:34 PM
hopefully all of you will think more kindly of me.....
then stoop a lil...trust me, it works.. |
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Blackmore? awak bukan jantan?..cewek ye?..kalau begitu dan kamu masih ahh...anak dara...peluk lah daku kuat2....
arrogance is a matter of perspective...to a certain extent...and misperception...i can't see where i'm wrong ...that's why I'm defending what i say..awak kata apa yang saya kata tu benar...but you said basically my TEKNIK is wrong.... well, some people prefer cakar harimau... some dont...
drbaby tu sampai baling pinggan mangkuk kata saya macam2 tak islamik la, bodoh sombong la...apa macam?...i take it...like a man...
my original point is:
1) baca lah apa2 nak baca...tapi jangan lah sampai tertipu dengan hype
2) bacaan ringan dan sampah tidak memenafaatkan kita...kenapa kita tak improve taste dan lain2...
3) mengapa kecoh nak defend bacaan 'ringan' &merapu??...grisham,kinsella, mcnought...mengapa nak defend bacaan macam mastika mangga dan lain yang buat otak jadi bubur?...
4) saya kata dan masih berpendapat oleh kerana kita jenis macam ni lah standard , kualiti dan suka membaca orang kita berada di tahap yang rendah dan memalukan...we should change..
5) kalau kita di dodoi dengan silly books...otak kita pun terpengaruh dengan silly tastes dan outlook...tak heran lah benda lain pun kita tak pandai nilai...filem2 yusuuf haslam pun boleh pergi tengok tanpa rasa diperbodohkan...
6)dengan tidak mengasah untuk improve "aesthetic" taste kita...kita tidak akan dapat menilai dan mengenal apa itu bacaan yang berkualiti...
but okay la....sebagai pengulung saya nak petik sikit dari buku 'alice in wonderland"....
"What is a Caucus -race?" said Alice; not that she much wanted to know, but the Dodo had paused as if it tought that somebody ought to speak, and no one else seemed inclined to say anything.
"why". said the Dodo, "the best way to explain it is to do it."(And, as you might like to try the thing yourself some winter-day, I will tell you how the Dodo managed it.)
First it marked out a race -course, in a sort of circle ("the extent and shape doesn't matter," it said,) and then all the party were placed along the course, here and there.There was no "One, two, three, and away!" but they began running when they liked and left off when they liked, so that it was not easy to know when the race was over. However when they had been running half an hour or so, and were quite dry again, the Dodo suddenly called out "The race is over!" and they all crowded round it, panting and asking "But who has won?"
This question the Dodo could not answer without a great deal of thought, and it stood for a long time with one finger pressed upon its forehead (the position in which you usually see Shakespeare , in the pictures of him), while the rest waited in silence. At last the Dodo said "Everybody has won, and all must have prizes."
page 33
The Penguin complete Lewis Carroll |
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Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 13-8-2005 10:32 AM
Blackmore? awak bukan jantan?..cewek ye?..kalau begitu dan kamu masih ahh...anak dara...peluk lah daku kuat2....
arrogance is a matter of perspective...to a certain extent...and misperception... ...
...heh...the caucus race....oouucchh!!!...so now kita dah tak berwawasan plak???....hehehe...macam2 jer lah ko nie greenie...anyway...terserah pada masing2 lah...masing2 mempunyai matlamat dalam membuat sesuatu...
...eerr...tak mo..aku tak mo peluk ko lagi...aku dah majuk...:jeler::bgrin:
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ahahha...comel la blackmore nih. sangat suka reply blackmore. yang org lainnyer malas sket nak baca. baca yang awal2 je. actually masa awal2 tu cam nak setuju sket. sbb pelik kenapa diorg ni sanggup beratur dr awal2 utk apa2 benda yg diorg sgt fanatik. such as AF ke football ke apa2 la. not just harry potter. tapi melihat kepada cara penyampaian jadi tak berminat nak bersetuju. and greenie..orang bijak tak mengaku bijak sayang(gal pompuan so bleh panggey sayang?). orang pandai tak kata pandai. sebab bila kita dah jumpa banyak ilmu kita akan tahu sebenarnya lagi banyak benda yang kita tak tau. get it. ilmu di muka bumi ni sangat luas. yang kita tau sikit sangat.
I'm not saying about potter kay. but about your attitude. nak tegur orang ada caranya, nak ubah orang pun ada caranya. buatlah cara yang disenangi. firstly with our attitude. kalau kita menunjukkan pekerti yang baik orang pun automatik akan respect dan belajar mencontohi kita. why not start with your family. try to teach them the good of reading the quality books. then, boleh train jiran2. masyarakat, negara and so on. i'm not saying your opinion are not good. in fact, memang sangat2 bagus. cuma pendekatan yang diberikan, as u can see, berapa ramai yang terima?
about potter. gal pun tak baca jugak buku tu sebab cam tak berminat sangat. tapi tgk jugak la movie dia. just camtu2 la. and i have one friend yang mmg sangat fanatik dengan potter. seronok tgk dia bersemangat bercerita pasal potter. sampai nak tau macam2. dan dapat gak menambahkan byk vocab dia. kan ke bawa satu kebaikan tu. and may i remind you don't even say peope opinion are right or wrong. setiap org mempunyai pandangan yg berbeza. walaupun mungkin kita rasa pandangan dia tak betul tak perlu sampai nak kata 'I'm right, u wrong.' mungkin boleh explain dgn cara lain kan.
respect what you are trying to do. respect blackmore more for the great attitude. :hug: |
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ah well.... i'm trying to be open, candid... no beating about the bush...and i realize that NONE agrees swith my way...so...ok...i apologize if i hurt anybody's feelings... my mistake....i'm gone.....bye....
oh...but i'm RIGHT though...he he he... |
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Edited by seribulan at 12-1-2018 09:45 AM
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Post time 11-8-2005 08:19 PM
lol...anyway...greenie...maafkan aku kalau aku ada mengguris perasaan ko ngan cara penulisan aku...bukan nak sexually harass ko...
Post time 12-8-2005 06:29 AM
