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Originally posted by free2rhyme at 13-4-2007 07:48 AM
When I mentioned it, I was telling you about how I see things .... I know you didn't refer to any discrimination..... 
Anyway scientists and experts are there so that ordinary people can be ...
yeah .. nobody can escape from The Devil .. even those alim2 people .. |
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Originally posted by ct_og at 13-4-2007 01:32 PM
Dengan kata lain, orang yang tidak berilmu dan tidak mendapat petunjuk dari Allah swt... 
tp biasanya perkara berkaitan nafsu ni .. aku rasa dia tak require ilmu tinggi sgt .. dia banyak pasal etika dan nilai2 .. which we all have inside of ourselves .. mean kita tak perlu org bg tau kita benda ni betul atau salah .. tp kita sendiri dpt rasakan ..
pernah baca pasal ni dulu .. tp tak ingat sgt dah .. |
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Originally posted by free2rhyme at 13-4-2007 02:18 PM
He denotes God's ultimate/total Power and Sovereignty
We denotes God's infinite/boundless Mercy and Knowledge
could u show me some examples? .. didnt really get it .. |
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Originally posted by yellow belmont at 14-4-2007 05:52 PM
tp biasanya perkara berkaitan nafsu ni .. aku rasa dia tak require ilmu tinggi sgt .. dia banyak pasal etika dan nilai2 .. which we all have inside of ourselves .. mean kita tak perlu org bg ...
Setiap apa yang ada didunia ni ada ilmunya termasuk le etika dan nilai. |
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Originally posted by ct_og at 16-4-2007 07:49 PM
Setiap apa yang ada didunia ni ada ilmunya termasuk le etika dan nilai.
yup .. tp kita juga dilahirkan dgn ada something yg (aku lupa term dia) .. mcm kompas dlm diri kita yg blh guide diri kita sendiri .. something yg blh bg tau diri kita whether it is right or wrong .. |
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Originally posted by yellow belmont at 20-4-2007 02:15 PM
yup .. tp kita juga dilahirkan dgn ada something yg (aku lupa term dia) .. mcm kompas dlm diri kita yg blh guide diri kita sendiri .. something yg blh bg tau diri kita whether it is right or ...
Naluri ke? Kalau naluri.. binatang pun Allah bagi naluri... ia adalah ilham untuk kita membuat sesuatu secara spontan.... |
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Originally posted by ct_og at 20-4-2007 03:57 PM
Naluri ke? Kalau naluri.. binatang pun Allah bagi naluri... ia adalah ilham untuk kita membuat sesuatu secara spontan....
naluri la kot .. but its not about being spontaneous .. its about knowing right and wrong ..
ingat balik isu asal kita .. pasal NAFSU .. |
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Originally posted by yellow belmont at 20-4-2007 04:03 PM
naluri la kot .. but its not about being spontaneous .. its about knowing right and wrong ..
ingat balik isu asal kita .. pasal NAFSU ..
Boleh tolong jelaskan dengan lanjut apa yang sebenarnya Yellow maksudkan... |
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Originally posted by ct_og at 21-4-2007 10:22 AM
Boleh tolong jelaskan dengan lanjut apa yang sebenarnya Yellow maksudkan...
b4 we were talking ttg mcm mana manusia ni blh dikhianati oleh nafsunya sendiri ..
as to conclude what u said .. aku pun bg conclusion ini terjadi disebabkan krgnya akal & keimanan individu tu ..
and then u added dlm kata lain .. org tu tak berilmu ..
so part tu yg aku krg setuju .. as it sounds like kind of a bit heavy .. mcm umpama kena ada degree or professional certificate .. sbb pd aku .. bab nafsu ni tak require ilmu tinggi sgt ..
as i believe we are born with a moral compass within us .. which then develop as we grow up .. so this moral compass la yg guide kita .. let us know what is right n what is wrong .. sekaligus membolehkan kita control nafsu kita .. |
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Originally posted by yellow belmont at 14-4-2007 05:47 PM
yeah .. nobody can escape from The Devil .. even those alim2 people ..
you can try to escape.......... from yourself......
free your mind from devil.... this is in buddism la....
NOthing to do with god here.... don worry..... 
even people from other religion can practise it..... as there is no god in buddism.... but all matter is in our mind...
this is the core of buddism... like ten commandments in christian......
http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html |
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Reply #210 wei_loon5063's post
You don't believe in God but others do then how can people from other religions follow your teaching ? It means they are going against their own belief system if they follow you. .
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Reply #211 free2rhyme's post
I know........
but budism is about cleansing mind.. that`s it.........
not worshipping........
there is one american monk teach people to cleanse their mind in middle east....
you read the link I posted... there is nothing as god....
same for me.. if there is a moral story in al quran and i learn from it....
does it mean I go agianst my religion? |
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Reply #212 wei_loon5063's post
But Islam rejects the monks' way of life and in Islam there are many ways for people to cleanse their mind not just thru meditation and the forsaking of the comfort in life. But buddhism teaches the ONLY way for highest spiritual level is by following the monks' way of life. So how can a muslim follows your belief when the teachings are against one another?
[ Last edited by free2rhyme at 22-4-2007 04:03 PM ] |
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Reply #213 free2rhyme's post
I think generally........... without further understanding the deeper meaning would cuase any misconception........
If islam has it... then fine.... I am just sharing........ 
there are many good things on different culture and religion that we can learn fomr other peoples........
actually not by the monks...... he is just an example or role model.....
Like iman or priest being a role model in showing other beliver what suppose to be done |
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Originally posted by yellow belmont at 21-4-2007 08:42 PM
b4 we were talking ttg mcm mana manusia ni blh dikhianati oleh nafsunya sendiri ..
as to conclude what u said .. aku pun bg conclusion ini terjadi disebabkan krgnya akal & keimanan individu tu ..
and then u added dlm kata lain .. org tu tak berilmu ..
so part tu yg aku krg setuju .. as it sounds like kind of a bit heavy .. mcm umpama kena ada degree or professional certificate .. sbb pd aku .. bab nafsu ni tak require ilmu tinggi sgt ..
as i believe we are born with a moral compass within us .. which then develop as we grow up .. so this moral compass la yg guide kita .. let us know what is right n what is wrong .. sekaligus membolehkan kita control nafsu kita ..
OOOooo.... cam gitu.... part yang Yellow tak setuju tu... saya pun tak maksudkan orang tu kena ada degree... maksud saya berilmu tu ada pengetahuan... Nabi dulu pun tak ada degree... tak ada sijil... tapi Baginda dianugerahkan ilmu yang tiada tolok bandingnya... manakala ilmu Nabi Khidir lebih dari Nabi Musa sedangkan Nabi Musa adalah seorang Rasul... ini semuanya terletak pada anugerah Allah... apabila Dia memberi ilmu, Dia memberikan kepada hamba Nya yang terpilih... kerana itu sesiapa yang mendapat ilmu yang benar dari Allah dan beriman, InsyaAllah dia boleh memandu nafsunya yang cenderung mengingkari perintah Allah agar tidak berbuat kejahatan... itu yang saya maksudkan... tidak le saya maksudkan hanya seorang profesor sahaja yang bersijil yang boleh menundukkan nafsu.... semua orang kena berjuang menundukkan nafsu... kerana hanya dengan ilmu yang benar dan iman, maka gerak hati seseorang akan digerakkan untuk memilih di antara kebaikan dengan kejahatan... dan apa yang Yellow maksudkan yang dia ada dalam diri... itu adalah kerana Allah telah memasukkan ilmu dan iman itu ke dalam diri seseorang itu tanpa dia sedari...itulah nikmat Allah yang patut disyukuri...
p/s : Boleh terangkan lebih lanjut tentang moral comprass yang Yellow faham...
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Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 22-4-2007 04:27 PM
I think generally........... without further understanding the deeper meaning would cuase any misconception........
If islam has it... then fine.... I am just sharing........
there are ...
Islam look into this life from the view point of ABUNDANCE, there is answer to any query, it is a comprehensive religion and suitable to any era, situation or time.
what makes the moslems can do this is simply adhering to quran. if i cannot answer u , it is not because of islam but because of human limitations. to rid of many limitations we called for jihad or the struggle to live under GOD's guidance.
so the issue of GOD is the fundamental of everything in muslem viewpoint.
where is ur writing about buddhism u keep emphasising 'there is no god' , so there is huge gap of which problems may arise
for muslems if they were 'too much(trangressing)' asking GOD's help, there is word of caution in quran about the destiny of man(man to denote woman too, universal term) that their fortune is in their hand(own effort) too, they must DO or take necessary actions to change the course in life..so in truth quran is the book of everything. There must be NO EXCUSE to any man and woman of ISLAM that they cannot succeed to live according to principle of islam simply because they have quran dan the prophet 's tradition. acceptance and rejection is purely human traditions. there is no force in anything. but in truth wise, islam has answer to any question of mankind.
i am afraid since u bringing the issue of 'no god in buddhism' seems to me that HUMAN will strive to be the best of the very best and for that the best of them is wil perceived as GOD himself, in which this can be relate to why Jesus being believed as the son of GOD.
This is a blasphemy to Islam since Allah swt. has no son or begotten. This is the highest syirik(equate GOD(Allah) to another being).
So to alleviate of this possible problems, there is this book of GOD, al quran dan there is this man of GOD, the messiah, the prophet , the messenger of HIM. Of course this will not settle the problem for good or 100 percent but to the least, this is the majority mankind will accept because they mankind will perceived, the best must come 'outside' human circles, it must from 'somewhere'. And this is in ur writing about buddhism is lack. The story about GOD. Islam even has what we called 'asma al husna' the attributes of Allah swt.
To me personally , only Judaism, Christianity and Islam are called RELIGION, but to me commercially and universally, any belief is a religion. That is why i wrote earlier , buddhism is a religion too even i know and u proved it in ur writing there is no story about GOD, my intention is to start from the same basic principle that is human has his or her OWN BELIEF..to the least this is called religion. |
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Reply #216 ajinomotonosuga's post
Did I say there is no God?? Have you read my other post??
hmm............. :hmm:
I PURPOSELY avoid any superbeing in my explanation so that there would be no confusion or comparing in between religion teaching............
but seems like you misunderstood I was telling muslims not to believe allah.......
jewish; islam and christian is abrahamatic religion;
buddhism; hinduism etc is dharmatic religion...........
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Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 22-4-2007 06:58 AM
you can try to escape.......... from yourself......
free your mind from devil.... this is in buddism la....
NOthing to do with god here.... don worry.....
even peop ...
ive visit the web once .. but didnt have time to read throughly ..
if the practise doesnt contradict with the teaching of the religion one believing (in my case Islam) .. i guess then no harm will come ..
i always remember one of Confucius teaching (he's a Buddhist rite) .. "dont do something to others which u, urself dont wish to be done that" .. actually the principe is associated with Islam too .. it just my memory tend to remember it from Confucius .. |
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Originally posted by ct_og at 24-4-2007 11:20 AM
OOOooo.... cam gitu.... part yang Yellow tak setuju tu... saya pun tak maksudkan orang tu kena ada degree... maksud saya berilmu tu ada pengetahuan... Nabi dulu pun tak ada degree... tak ada ...
then i guess it just a matter of how we defining words .. ct pernah dgr tak org ckp pengetahuan & ilmu tu dua benda berbeza? .. saya tak ingat sgt ceritanya .. tp yg saya ingat ilmu tu lbh tinggi dr pengetahuan ..
pasal moral compass yg saya ckp tu .. mungkin apa yg saya cuba sampaikan .. benda2 berkait nafsu ni tak memerlukan seseorang tu jadi org yg pandai (bila sebut berilmu sekaligus imejnya org tu agak pandai) utk mengawal nafsunya .. mcm yg kita sering nampak imej org yg bodoh2 atau agak krg kepandaianya tp punya hati yg baik ..
harap reply ni tak terkeluar dr landasan .. saya pun dah ngantuk ni .. menaip pun tak brapa betul .. 
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Reply #218 yellow belmont's post
No.........
confuscious is chinese
buddha is indian.... buddha mean "awakened"
actually, buddhism do not say anything about god or there are no god...
Buddhism just the teaching of life.... suffering....
the gautama buddha just awakened by meditating and isolate his body and mind the observe what is in his mind.....
actually; yellow....
some people get too fanatics when told them about other thing than their religion........
so better for me to just leave the debate....
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