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The Deity of Jesus Christ (Ketuhanan Yesus Kristus)
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Aku terbaca artikel yang ini....
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In the King James Version Bible, also called the Authorized Version, there is this verse : " For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one "(I John 5:7).
This verse is a late inclusion by the translators of the King James Version. It seems this verse was interpolated by Trinitarian-influenced scribes in the 17th century \ It was not part of the original Greek text. All the modem translations omit it - it is nothing but a fraud !
Luu pikirr laa sendiriii bebbb.... |
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Originally posted by alhaj72 at 25-3-2008 07:58 PM ![](http://forum3.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif)
Aku terbaca artikel yang ini....
Bible Version
In the King James Version Bible, also called the Authorized Version, there is this verse : " For there are three that bear record in heaven, t ...
Perkara ini telah dijelas beratus kali...sila rujuk posting yang lepas2... |
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Oh that..... Herbert Armstrong (someone that oppose the Trinity) argue with that fact, but he was wrong about it and repented. (thats what i heard) |
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Casejulia..
Aku dah langgar syarat apa? Post aku dah jadi TOS violation (Capaian 250) Fuiyohh.. macam ISA la pulak??
Artikel tu aku petik dari internet.. link sama yang digunakan oleh Shwein1990....
Atas permintaan ramai ke? Atau ada yang dah terconfused????
LUU PIKIRR LAA SENDIRII BEBBB... |
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huh?? which web??? ![](static/image/smiley/default/funk.gif) |
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Balas #243 shalom\ catat
Aku tak sempat nak baca posting yang lepas-lepas... cam tak da kerja lain lak.. kau jawap aje udah le.. senanggg.
Luu pikirr la sendiri beb.... |
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kan saye dah bagi link untuk awak? |
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Balas #242 wattttb\ catat
Tidak melampau apalagi takbur jika kami hanya sembah dan patuh dengan sepenuh jiwa-raga kepada Tuhan Mahaberkuasa Tunggal yang menjadi Hakim dan Penyelamat Tunggal di hari Perhitungan nanti. Melalui Pengajaran untuk mencapai keselamatan di hari penghakiman nanti, Pengajaran yang dibawa oleh Nabi-Nabi awal hingga akhir yang telah diutusNya. SEMUA PETIKAN DARI KAMU(DIATAS) ITU SEBENARNYA 揊IRMAN TUHAN |
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IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
[quote]Originally posted by satellite88 at 25-3-2008 01:20 PM
[quote]Originally posted by wattttb at 25-3-2008 01:57 AM ![](http://forum3.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif)
[quote]Originally posted by wattttb at 25-3-2008 01:57 AM
Untuk jawapan dari saya BLUE FONT.
Hey kawan....
Kamu asik soal- soal. Sekarang saya pula soal ok.
KAMU MEMANG MENGATAKAN DIRI KAMU ADA KEBENARAN, APA DIA KAMU CUBA HENDAK SELITKAN DALAM SITE INI. JAWAP SECARA JUJUR SEPERTI KAMI JAWAP KAMU.
Kebenaran jawapan yang diberi dipetik dari bible itu sendiri untuk renungi . Kalau dari sumber lain, kamu akan menolaknya.
Hello kawan,
Inikan CHRISTIAN SITE |
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Originally posted by Nazrulism at 25-3-2008 05:58 PM ![](http://forum3.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif)
Maaf mencelah....
1.Bapa 2.Putera 3.Roh kudus
Adakah Bapa tanpa Putera dan Roh Kudus bukan tuhan?
Kalau ketiga-tiga peribadi itu adalah satu, ini bermakna Bapa dan Ruh kudus bersatu dengan jesus semasa jesus didunia dulu, tapi kenapa jesus berkata:
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28
Untuk soalan pertama :
Itu adalah zat ketuhanan...jadi sukar untuk saya menjawap ya atau tidak..siapalah saya untuk berkata-kata tentang isu itu
Sama juga dengan orang Islam apabila ditanya, bagaimanakah rupanya Allah yang satu itu? siapakah yang dapat menjawap?
untuk soalan kedua.
Ini berkaitan dengan konsep tuhan yang sentiasa hadir dimana-mana. Ambil satu contoh. Tuhan sentiasa ada dimana-mana diseluruh alam semesta ini, tanpa hilang atau pergi walau sekelip mata pun.
Tuhan juga mengenal dan mengetahui setiap perbuatan manusia serentak walapun kita tahun didunia sekarang terdapat berepa ramainya manusia.
Kita juga tahun, dalam sejarah, seperti yang dicatat oleh Bible dan quran dan Tuhan, tuhan akan berinteraksi dengan manusia pilihan, seperti Adam, Musa, Daud dll...
Kita tahu, tuhan memimpin Musa semasa keluar dari Mesir..dimana Tuhan bertindak secara aktif.
Ini menimbulkan satu persoalan, ketika Tuhan mencipta Adam, membimbing Musa dan beratus-ratus kejadian lagi seperti yang dicatatkan dalam Bible dan Quran..ada Tuhan tetap juga berada ditempat lain, di alam semesta ini?
Ketika tuhan mencipta Adam, adakah Tuhan hanya berada di syurga pada masa itu, dan mengabaikan tempat lain diseluruh alam semesta?
Ketika Tuhan membantu Muhamad seperti yang anda percaya, adakah tuhan mengosongkan diriNYA seketika dari manusia lain di dunia ini pada masa itu?
Ketika Tuhan menolong anda. adakah ia meninggalkan saya pada masa yang sama?
Berkenaan isu Father greater than i, saya memetik jawapan dari Robertson's Greek Word Pictures :
John 14:28 Greater than I meizoon (NT:3144) mou (NT:3406). Ablative case mou (NT:3406) after the comparative meizoon (NT:3144) (from positive megas (NT:3130)). The filial relation makes this necessary. Not a distinction in nature or essence (cf. John 10:30), but in rank in the Trinity. No Arianism or Unitarianism here. The very explanation here is proof of the deity of the Son (Dods) |
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Balas #249 Shwein1990\ catat
Haah la.. aku baru je baca link yang kau bagi.. dan semakin aku faham tentang awalan Kristian..
Memang hampir tepat apa yang aku sangkakan selama ini.. ada pertelingkahan yang berlaku.. ada verse dalam Bible terjemahan yang lain.. ada yang tak ada pula... dalam terjemahan yang lain.. jadi siapa yang betul... (ORANG YANG MEMEGANG KUASA) yang kelihatan betul TAPI tak betul sebenarnya...
LUUU PIKIIRRR LAAAA SENDIRIIIII BEBBBBB..... gua nak balik.. besok sambung...![](static/image/smiley/default/titter.gif) |
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I hope you never forget the statements where they say,
THEY PRESERVED THE SCRIPTURE.
And that proves the promise of God to preserve the scriptures as shown in the Psalm. |
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And please read this too:
"This passage is recognized by a majority of Christian scholars as an extrapolation since 1 John 5:7 is not found in any early Greek manuscripts. This text appeared in a fifth century Latin translation, one century AFTER the Church established the doctrine of the Trinity."
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Al-Kadhi/r01.2.2.05.html |
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Balas #256 Shwein1990\ catat
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IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
[quote]Originally posted by alhaj72 at 25-3-2008 08:23 PM ![](http://forum6.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif)
I ve found this in your THE HADITH, Please explain to us as mentioned here 揂POSTLE扴 ALLAH扴 |
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Reply #239 Shwein1990's post
Shwein, the verse is only for the Jews, because at that time Jesus was talking to the Pharisees, and when he said that to the Pharisees, the Pharisees tried to throw stones to him....If the verse is applied to all races, then tell me, what had happened to those people in the periods before Jesus came?
When you see Jesus, you see Jesus, not God, as he came with the signs of God, this also mentioned in the Holy Quran...his signs:
"'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;"(Surah Al-Imran 3:49)
As Jesus said that I and the Father as one...One what?. One physical, mental, vision?. He didn't say that I and the Father as one physical...he didn't say that, Shwein
The son...meant the prophet...those who brought peace...:
"Berbahagialah orang yang membawa damai, karena mereka akan disebut anak-anak allah."(Matius 5:9)
Jesus is one of them.
The Revelation was sent by God to Jesus. Therefore, originally, the word is from God, therefore, the I in the verse is refer to God, not Jesus:
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Revelation 22:13) |
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