[MERGED]--Room inside Kaba is a forbidden.Why? - Pict page 43

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-11-26 08:03 PM:

YES, SEEING IS BELIEVING SO GET THE JOB DONE. ALL I AM ASKING IS GET PETITION FROM MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE AND SEND IT SAUDIES GOVERNMENT FOR APPROVAL. DON'T TELL ME THAT  1 BILLIONS OF MUSLIM ...

assalamualaikum.

we believe in god even though we cant see god. so, even though we can't see god, that doesn't mean that god doesn't exists. for this, i think truth must be agreeing with me. even though we can't see something, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. i believe truth agree with this. this is the concept. jadi, kita masukkan konsep ini dalam perbincangan ini, walaupun kerajaan saudi tidak membenarkan orang awam masuk ke dalam kaabah, tak bermakna ada benda benda yang truth sebutkan itu berada dalam kaabah.

i think kalau kita hendak mencari kebenaran, kita harus berbincang mengenai asas sesuatu perkara itu, bukannya berbincang mengenai perkara seperti ini. perkara seperti ini tak boleh menerangkan kebenaran sesuatu agama itu sepenuhnya.

[ Last edited by azrie87 on 26-11-2003 at 10:21 PM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by azrie87 at 26-11-2003 10:16 PM:
we believe in god even though we cant see god. so, even though we can't see god, that doesn't mean that god doesn't exists. for this, i think truth must be agreeing with me. even though we can't see something, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. i believe truth agree with this. this is the concept. jadi, kita masukkan konsep ini dalam perbincangan ini, walaupun kerajaan saudi tidak membenarkan orang awam masuk ke dalam kaabah, tak bermakna ada benda benda yang truth sebutkan itu berada dalam kaabah.

i think kalau kita hendak mencari kebenaran, kita harus berbincang mengenai asas sesuatu perkara itu, bukannya berbincang mengenai perkara seperti ini. perkara seperti ini tak boleh menerangkan kebenaran sesuatu agama itu sepenuhnya.
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u are wrong. Why I am asking you Muslims to enter the room is to find the truth. According to Muhammad he already disposed off all those 350 idols, then why such 'secret' /or forbidden to enter that room?

If there is nothing in that room, surely Arab government are not afraid to allow public to enter to view it. Why such guilt???

The Jews and Christians (Ahli Kitab / People of the Book) totally rejected Muhammad from beginning so it time for Muslims to use the brain to find out the truth. U Muslims ignoring something is hidden in the room.

Event in Jerusalem 揟emple of Dome

Truth.8

Originally posted by azrie87 at 26-11-2003 09:57 PM:

we muslims don't believe in what ever ur saying up there. kalau benar pun, ia menyalahi hukum agama islam. perlu diingat, antara orang-orang yang pernah masuk ke dalam kaabah adalah orang yang berpendidikan , rasional, dan ternama. termasuk tun dr. mahathir. i tell u, kalaulah mereka nampak apa yang truth sebut ini, pasti mereka dah keluar dari islam. tetapi perkara sebaliknya berlaku.

For your information many Muslims secretly coming out from Islam but they remained silent. Their  identiy name shows  Muslim  but spiritually NOT. As for me, my name is Muslim but spiritually not because I do not  believed Islam is not true calling of Prophet Adam, Prophet Abraham and right Jesus.

How could u differentiate if Tun Maha or anyone is Muslim? In Islam we are not allow to come out from Islam. We are force to believed in Islam and stay Islam until we died. There are many silent Muslims but spiritually they are not Muhamamd followers or believed in allah.

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Truth.8

Originally posted by Addicted at 26-11-2003 09:48 PM:
No use asking them truth, they're complete chicken (KFC)... they would'nt dare. Not in a million years. Becos, once the upen it up, it will be known to the whole world how fake islam is.... and all the jihad fighter will be soooooo... dissappointed coz there will be no cute virgin to wait for them in heaven .

Thats why I am asking them to exposed that 'forbidden' room.


is time for muslims to think.

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-11-27 12:45 AM:
Thats why I am asking them to exposed that 'forbidden' room.


is time for muslims to think.

assalamualaikum.

for ur info, i am also eager to know whats inside kaaba. same like u, im also curious. but that doesn't change my faith in ISLAM. i am thinking and still thinking. cuma satu perkara, saya tak suka .8 membuat tuduhan yang bukan-bukan terhadap agama saya. saya tak kisah kalau anda bertanya dalam bentuk pertanyaan, tetapi bukan dalam bentuk tuduhan yang tak berasas.

lagi sekali saya tekankan, there must be a good reason for everything. kalau tak tahu, cukuplah sekadar bertanya. jangan pandai-pandai nak buat sangkaan buruk kalau kita sendiri tak pasti. kita orang beragama. maafkan saya kalau ada posting saya menyakiti hati anda. kita berdebat bukan bergaduh, bukankah begitu? berdebat punyai tertibnya sendiri.

wassalam
ALLAH LEBIH MENGETAHUI

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-11-27 12:33 AM:
u are wrong.  

assalamualaikum

apa yang salah? anda merujuk kepada fakta yang mana satu?
sekadar bertanya. jangan jawab soalan saya dengan tuduhan lagi.

wassalam
ALLAH LEBIH MENGETAHUI

Unlike that, where is Allah the moon god?

even a date is not sure to start Hari Raya Aidilfitri.

Truth.8

Originally posted by azrie87 at 27-11-2003 02:50 AM:
assalamualaikum.

for ur info, i am also eager to know whats inside kaaba. same like u, im also curious. but that doesn't change my faith in ISLAM. i am thinking and still thinking. cuma satu per ...

kalau islam berani tuduh bahawa Kitab Bible sudah korup dan kucun2 seperti Ahamd Deedat, kenapa pula saya tidak??? Jangan double standard.


Kalau nak tau dlm bilik tersebut, tulis lah kepada Kerjaan saudies supaya umatmu tau apa dlm kandungan bilik misteri itu.

Ini bukan tuduhan tapi kebenaraan yg ingin nak tau.

bye

[ Last edited by Truth.8 on 27-11-2003 at 01:59 PM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by azrie87 at 27-11-2003 03:03 AM:
assalamualaikum

apa yang salah? anda merujuk kepada fakta yang mana satu?
sekadar bertanya. jangan jawab soalan saya dengan tuduhan lagi.

wassalam
ALLAH LEBIH MENGETAHUI

nampak macam marah aja???? kalau kita Kristian di tuduh bermacam-macam kami 'cool' aja.

Biasalah , kalau datang kebenaran maka hilanglah segala kekufuran dan kepalsuan. Jadi, syaitan membara seperti api.

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 26-11-2003 08:03 PM:
YES, SEEING IS BELIEVING SO GET THE JOB DONE. ALL I AM ASKING IS GET PETITION FROM MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE AND SEND IT SAUDIES GOVERNMENT FOR APPROVAL. DON'T TELL ME THAT  1 BILLIONS OF MUSLIM ...

Why should Muslims succumb to your pressure? We have never been in doubt about the fact there is no truth in what you are saying. You are the ones who are insisting that what you say is true. We know very well that such an accusation is just plucked by you people from the air - just to create an issue out of a non-existent issue.

You are the accuser, therefore you have to provide the evidence to substantiate your accusation, by hook or by crook.

We have all the evidence to show that your bible has been manipulated and contains uncountable contradictions.



Neither the disbelievers among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) nor Al-Mushrik鹡 (the disbelievers in the Oneness of All鈎, idolaters, polytheists, pagans, etc.) love that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. But All鈎 chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And All鈎 is of Infinite Bounty.



And when there came to them a Messenger from All鈎 (i.e. Muhammad Peace be upon him ) confirming what was with them, a party of those who were given the Scripture threw away the Book of All鈎 behind their backs as if they did not know!

Truth.8

What is the point writing too long posting when you peoples failed in this topic. a very simple question and yet Muslims giving crap answers.

I guess some Muslims begins to doubth(was-was), if that the case  it time for muslims to WAKE UP.

once exposed the FAKE is worth in the rubbish bin.

now almost exposed but some people still hold on to the fake.

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-11-27 10:52 AM:
kalau islam berani tuduh bahawa Kitab Bible sudah korup dan kucun2 seperti Ahamd Deedat, kenapa pula saya tidak??? Jangan double standard.


Kalau nak tau dlm bilik tersebut, tulis lah kepada Ke ...

assalamualaikum..
ahmad deedat adalah seorang manusia seperti kita semua. jangan awak jangan pula ingat dia mewakili islam. disini saya bukan menidakkan kredibiliti beliau. faham ini. kalau betul pun, beliau melamparkan fakta bersama dengan bukti, bukannya tuduhan kosong yang tidak berasas. sudah, kita berbicara mengenai AGAMA bukan MANUSIA ( ahmad deedat). tolong jangan bangkitkannya lagi.

memang saya ingin tahu apa yang terdapat dalam bilik tersebut. tetapi harus melalui prosidur yang betul. itu adalah satu tempat yang suci, bukan boleh main redah sahaja. kita orang beragama. anda tentu faham. ilmu saya masih cetek. begitu juga dengan .8 . kadang kadang ada perkara yang akal manusia tak mampu gapai kerana ilmu tuhan itu tersangat-sangat tinggi. bila berkata tentang agama, jangan guna logik, guna commen sense. jangan belitkan ini.

wassalam
ALLAH LEBIH MENGETAHUI

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2003-11-27 10:54 AM:
nampak macam marah aja???? kalau kita Kristian di tuduh bermacam-macam kami 'cool' aja.

Biasalah , kalau datang kebenaran maka hilanglah segala kekufuran dan kepalsuan. Jadi, syaitan membara sep ...

assalamualaikum.

awak ni, lagi sekali beralih arah. jawablah soalan saya. apa yang awak maksudkan itu? bila pulak saya marah? jangan mengelak .saya bertanya. sila jawab. kita adalah manusia. fitrah manusia membuat salah. kita berbincang mengenai AGAMA bukan MANUSIA. no more questions asked.

wassalam.
ALLAH LEBIH MENGETAHUI

One day, we will know the truth. And when that time come.... peace will rule the land... no more jhad i guess heh! heh! heh!

Originally posted by Josh40 at 2003-11-27 04:39 PM:
once exposed the FAKE is worth in the rubbish bin.

now almost exposed but some people still hold on to the fake.

assalamualaikum.

please mind your language. we are people with religion. orang yang beragama. this issue is sensitive, its not wrong to give ur opinion, but do it with maturity

wassalam
GOD KNOWS BEST

Truth.8

Originally posted by azrie87 at 27-11-2003 04:43 PM:
ahmad deedat adalah seorang manusia seperti kita semua. jangan awak jangan pula ingat dia mewakili islam. disini saya bukan menidakkan kredibiliti beliau. faham ini. kalau betul pun, beliau melamparkan fakta bersama dengan bukti, bukannya tuduhan kosong yang tidak berasas. sudah, kita berbicara mengenai AGAMA bukan MANUSIA ( ahmad deedat). tolong jangan bangkitkannya lagi.

sebab itulah Tuhan yg benar membuat dia bisu dan cacat anggota supaya dia tidak melemparkan tuduhan yg tak berasasa sehingga isteri dia kena sudukan dia dlm katil.

Originally posted by azrie87 at 27-11-2003 04:43 PM
memang saya ingin tahu apa yang terdapat dalam bilik tersebut. tetapi harus melalui prosidur yang betul. itu adalah satu tempat yang suci, bukan boleh main redah sahaja. kita orang beragama. anda tentu faham. ilmu saya masih cetek. begitu juga dengan .8 . kadang kadang ada perkara yang akal manusia tak mampu gapai kerana ilmu tuhan itu tersangat-sangat tinggi. bila berkata tentang agama, jangan guna logik, guna commen sense. jangan belitkan ini.

Prosidur macam mana??? apa yg bergitu suci   sangat??? sedangkan ada segenitir orang pernah masuk dengan mengatakan kononnya ada dua lanterns and sebagainya. kenapa menulis tanpa mengambil gambar.

tak masuk logik kalau memberi alasaan bahawa ianya suci. apa kah air zam2 itu pun suci???? di mana kah logik nya.

jangan kata ilmu saya masih cetek sedangkan segala perbuatan semasa membuat haji tidak masuk akal. cuba u baca dari awal posting saya.

kamu suruh saya guna commen sense???  mari kita tengok sejauh mana ada commen sense ?

commen sense ke kalau di katakan air zam2 suci??

commen sense ke membaling batu semasa menuaikan haji???

commen sense ke mencukur rambut semasa menuaikan haji???

commen sense ke kerana memcium batu hitam sehingga orang pijat  - pijat?

commen sense ke kalau bilik yg di katakan "rashia'  tidak di benarkan masuk orang awam tetapi di benarkan mengilingi ka'ba

dan banyak lagi.

bukan saya yg belit2,  yg belit adalah mereka2  tidak tau isi kandungan dlm bilik tersebut. bila di tanya soalan, pusing sana dan sini macam ular. belit2 lah itu.



p/s: jangan kamu kurang ajar dengan menuduh saya belit2, paham:agr:

[ Last edited by Truth.8 on 27-11-2003 at 05:48 PM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by azrie87 at 27-11-2003 04:53 PM:
assalamualaikum.

please mind your language. we are people with religion. orang yang beragama. this issue is sensitive, its not wrong to give ur opinion, but do it with maturity

wassalam
GOD  ...

if u are people religion why then bomb blast here and there???

Jesus did not bring religion but The Way of life. Religion cuma membinasakan diri kerana ia membuat orang begitu fanatik.

LostSoul

truth.8,

actually there is nothing inside Kaabah.. just an empty cubic space... no moon god statue, NADA!

we should focus on the feeling of ppl who entered Kaabah.. but this is what i dunno as i know many royalties, but they do not know me..

Truth.8

Originally posted by LostSoul at 27-11-2003 05:38 PM:
truth.8,

actually there is nothing inside Kaabah.. just an empty cubic space... no moon god statue, NADA!

we should focus on the feeling of ppl who entered Kaabah.. but this is what i dunno a ...

Selamat Hari Raya Lost soul,

How come working already??? short holiday???

back to my question, pls read my topic from begining. Otherwise I will rewriting again and again.