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Kenapa perlu pukul gendang dan tiup terompet serta menyanyi semasa pooja?

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Post time 4-4-2011 01:11 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by Sephiroth at 4-4-2011 13:15
Reply  Sephiroth

your house mmg your own property. but bear in your mind u live with the people  ...
arinieva Post at 4-4-2011 09:06


Why should I care? My house is my property, and as long as I do not disturb others in night by blasting away in a loud speaker, how I pray in my house is NO ONE'S BUSINESS BUT MY OWN. Which also means that I can built my own temple within my yard and pray there. Which is what most Hindus (and some chinese people) are doing today.

tp whatever pun you nk bina kene ade kebenaran even at your land.


Silap itu. Kebanyakaan Majlis Perbandaran akan mengatakan bahawa kebenaran bertulis harus didapatkan utk menbuat perubahan kpd rumah yg sudah dibina (dan dijual). Ini adalah utk memastikan rumah yg diubahsuai itu tidak mengambil tanah kerajaan ataupun tanah orang persendirian yg lain.

TAK ADA SEBARANG PERUNDANGAN NEGERI ATAUPUN MAJLIS PERBANDARAN YG MENGATAKAN KAMU MESTI MENDAPATKAN KEBENARAN DR MEREKA UTK MENBINA TEMPAT IBADAT DI DLM KAWASAN RUMAH ANDA SENDIRI. Selagi rumah yg sedia itu tidak diubahsuai, ianya adalah HAK PERIABDI TUAN RUMAH APA DIA NAK BUAT DLM KAWASAN RUMAH DIA SENDIRI.
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Post time 4-4-2011 04:51 PM | Show all posts
Reply 20# arinieva


    Sepeti mana ada pepatah dalam Islam 'Jgn tinggal dikawasan perumahan yang tiada masjid', agama Hindu pun ade...Kovil illatha idathil veedhu kaddhe vendam' yang bermaksud jgn bina rumah di tempat yang takde temple...so...ikut kesesuaian penganut...tapi cuba ckp dengan mereka sure they will understand u guys...k..
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Post time 4-4-2011 04:53 PM | Show all posts
Reply 21# Sephiroth


    Betul...kebebasan individu dan kebebasan beragama memainkan peranan...1 Malaysia.
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Post time 5-4-2011 09:04 AM | Show all posts
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    Betul...kebebasan individu dan kebebasan beragama memainkan peranan...1 M ...
kirhmuru Post at 4-4-2011 16:53


Do not use slogan 1Malaysia with me.
It is created (by Mahathir from the background) to assist BN (those responsible for over 100 temples being ruined) to fool Hindus and Chinese alike.
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Post time 5-4-2011 11:10 AM | Show all posts
to both of u, do it la whatever u like. as u think just only u are right in this world {:2_78:}{:2_78:}
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Post time 5-4-2011 12:42 PM | Show all posts
to both of u, do it la whatever u like. as u think just only u are right in this world {:2_7 ...
arinieva Post at 5-4-2011 11:10


Funny, isn't that the same notions Muslims have? That Muslims alone are right in the World? :re:
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Post time 5-4-2011 10:18 PM | Show all posts
Reply 25# arinieva


    if u hv more info...share it...jgn pakai kutuk orang aje...tq.
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Post time 8-4-2011 03:39 PM | Show all posts
kenapa perlu bergaduh...
mula2 t.t tanya elok2 n jawapan pown ok2 shaja...
tapi kenapa selepas itu perlu ada pergaduhan>>>
xboleh ke kita ni live in peace....
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Post time 9-4-2011 12:35 AM | Show all posts
Reply 28# veYron


    Yes i agree with but seems they asking questions like that (rude) thus the answers may look like that...its not a fight..its just an arguments...its like no more foruming here..its like debating about a topic for the best answer...hmmm
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Post time 22-6-2011 06:17 AM | Show all posts
Reply 15# Sephiroth


I would like to reiterate what you have said earlier on, which... kami tak perlu melayan orang yang tiada kaitan dengan agama kami dalam hal bagaimana kami melakukan ibadah kami.

although technology seems like it can replace traditional role of azan - the fact is it can't. i give you simple example: watch. berapa ramai manusia yang ada jam masih terlepas temujanji? atau lewat hadir ke sesuatu majlis? technology can break down, boleh rosak, dan sebagainya... so itu pentingnya diingatkan sesama manusia melalui azan.

and the purpose of azan is not only to call for prayers.  kalau lah sesuatu agama mengikut peredaran zaman .. sepatutnya peranan guru agama tak kira lah sami ke kiyai ke paderi ke ustaz boleh diganti dengan robot, komputer. tapi... teknologi adalah pemudah cara sahaja.

btw, if you're not comfortable with it... i suggest you to move out. (this suggestion i made by reiterating your comment too. fair kan?)
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Post time 22-6-2011 08:33 AM | Show all posts
by warisputerijawa

although technology seems like it can replace traditional role of azan - the fact is it can't. i give you simple example: watch. berapa ramai manusia yang ada jam masih terlepas temujanji? atau lewat hadir ke sesuatu majlis? technology can break down, boleh rosak, dan sebagainya... so itu pentingnya diingatkan sesama manusia melalui azan.  


Pertama - Kalau tak erti nak cakap bahasa Inggeris, tolong jangan cuba. Sakit mata dan kepala saya tengok post anda yg campur-aduk B.M dgn B.I.

Cuba kamu tengok berapa banyak orang yg lewat pergi makan dan minum? Mereka yg tak ada jam pun akan tanya dgn mereka yg ada jam utk mengetahui masa utk makan dan minum.

Dlm ertikata lain - semuanya bergantung kpd niat. kalau bangsa kamu jenis cintakan tuhan, mereka tak akan lupa. Malahan mereka akan merasakan masa antara satu masa sembahyang kpd masa yg satu lagi begitu lambat sampai. Mereka2 yg suka sangat lewat atau terlepas dr sembahyang adalah mereka2 yg sememangnya jenis lalai. Tak guna menyalahkan teknologi ke atas kelalaian mereka.

  btw, if you're not comfortable with it... i suggest you to move out. (this suggestion i made by reiterating your comment too. fair kan?)


Kenapa aku kena "move out"? Supaya kau dan bangsa kau dgn senangnya boleh ambil alih ke? Sorrylah kawan, masa nak pindah2 sudah lalu. Ini masa utk lawan balik.
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Post time 22-6-2011 11:33 AM | Show all posts
Drum beating and the nadaswaram (not trumpet) are played during pooja because its considered auspicious. And it is also a way to inform those (hindus) living around the temple area that pooja is currently being performed at the temple. It is like reminding the hindus of the ongoing pooja, though one doesnt really need to be reminded about prayers/pooja if he/she is religious. It still continues because this practice has been around for ages.
Most of the temples here have drum beating and nadaswaram on special occasions/pooja only but there are also some temples where it is played everyday.
So i would advise you to speak to the person in charge of the temple to work a solution. Anyhow I dont think they play the instruments for a very long time.most probably 10-15 mins.
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Post time 22-6-2011 11:56 AM | Show all posts
by Freako-2

So i would advise you to speak to the person in charge of the temple to work a solution. Anyhow I dont think they play the instruments for a very long time.most probably 10-15 mins.  


Which is louder? Drum beating within the four walls OR some guy with a horrible voice screaming his lungs off using a microphone?
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Post time 22-6-2011 12:53 PM | Show all posts
Reply 25# arinieva

If u have anything to say be professional...instead of telling others without no point to defend urself...It would better for the world...tell what u think...thats what this forum's objectives...discuss and come for a solution
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Post time 22-6-2011 05:12 PM | Show all posts
Reply 31# Sephiroth

was it my problem if you find yourself sakit mata dan kepala dengan bahasa rojak? your english and BM are not that excellent sangat pun ... kalau kau pun cakap bahasa campur, tak perlu nak larang orang lain guna bahasa campur. tak perlu nak tunjuk pandai dengan condemn orang lain atau agama orang lain.

apa yang aku cakap semuanya repeat apa yang kau suruh orang lain buat... kau suruh dia pindah dari kawasan yang berdekatan kuil hindu... so, aku pun suruh kau pindah dari kawasan yang berdekatan dengan masjid.

aku rasa agama hindu kau tak mengajar kau biadap kan? persoalan kau berkenaan which is louder is very subjective. no definite answer to it. lain kali guna akal sikit.  tak perlu personal attack.

kau ni funny, ok? perasan bijak ... tapi arguments penuh dengan racial slurs and religious attack. aku takde kutuk-kutuk agama kau... so, kau tak perlu la nak melenting tak tentu pasal.
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Post time 23-6-2011 08:09 AM | Show all posts
by warisputerijawa

  was it my problem if you find yourself sakit mata dan kepala dengan bahasa rojak?


Kalau aku tak layan post kamu, adakah ianya menjadi masalah aku nanti? Oleh itu, kalau kamu nak orang lain layan kau, cuba tulis dgn baik2.

Menulis dgn kesalahan bahasa adalah berlainan dgn mengunakan bahasa Inggeris dan B.M (rojak) dlm masa yg sama. Satu menunjjukan yg penguna tidak arif sangat dgn bahasa dan satu lagi menunjjukan penguna tak ada pelajaran langsung dlm bab bahasa. Jadi, kamu semesti tak marah kalau saya tak layan orang yg tidak berpelajaran spt kamu, kan?

aku rasa agama hindu kau tak mengajar kau biadap kan? persoalan kau berkenaan which is louder is very subjective. no definite answer to it. lain kali guna akal sikit.  tak perlu personal attack.  


Jangan banyak cakap. JAWAB persoalan aku itu. Mana satu yg lebih bising? Ianya bukan soalan subjektif, ianya soalan yg mudah.
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Post time 23-6-2011 01:00 PM | Show all posts
Reply 36# Sephiroth


cara kau menilai seseorang menunjukkan kau seorang yang berfikiran sangat singkat. yours is probably air-headed and shallow. sebelum ni, kau cakap penganut agama hindu tak terikat dengan rituals, which means that they can pray to their lords in various ways. therefore kalau tak pakai gendang dan trumpet semasa pooja selama 4 jam (sehingga orang lain terganggu) pun boleh diadakan, bukan?

to all hindus

so... back to the previous question. adakah bermakna pooja dengan iringan gendang dan trumpet ini disarankan dalam kitab-kitab penganut hindu? simpe je kan soalannya? adakah ia perlu ambil masa sampai 4 jam?

kalau kau nak kata azan lebih bising dari pooja, terpulang pada kau sebab aku rasa benda ni subjektif dan relatif (bergantung pada jarak dan ability seseorang untuk mendengar). kalau aku, aku berpendapat pooja lebih bising... tapi aku boleh terima kalau ritual tersebut terdapat dalam kitab hindu, dan perkara ini WAJIB dilakukan dan kalau kau tak buat benda ni, kau akan dapat dosa sehingga terpaksa dilahirkan semula. itu sajaha persoalannya. kalau benda ni bukan WAJIB, bukan kah lebih baik 'perlahan kan' sikit volume tu?

lagi satu... kalau aku di india... dan majority hindu nak buat ritual seperti ini. aku rasa aku akan faham sendiri tentang posisi aku di sana. sebab sebagai minority dalam suatu kawasan/negara dan bukan penduduk asal negara tersebut.... aku akan sedar diri. buat apa aku nak bergaduh dan bermasam muka?  

so, Sep ... belajar lah menghormati orang lain dan sedar diri eh. kalau kau kata bunyi azan ni bising... aku cadangkan kau move out. kau pergi pindah ke tempat yang majority penduduknya non-muslims. lagipun in your previous post, you said 1Malaysia is not applicable fo you kn? banyak jugak post kau sebelum ni yang terang-terangan memperkecilkan orang-orang Islam... kau tak de kawan melayu ke? atau kau ni jenis talam dua muka? depan baik... belakang lidah bercabang.
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Post time 23-6-2011 01:33 PM | Show all posts
warisputerijawa,

Answer the question - Which is louder? Drum beating or a person's voice through the loudspeaker.

I do not need to entertain the rest from you.
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Post time 23-6-2011 08:44 PM | Show all posts
Reply 38# Sephiroth

like i said... it is very subjective. kau tak belajar science ke? kan sound intensity bergantung pada distance, speed, particle, area dan lain-lain. aku bukan racist... kalau aku tak suka bunyi mercun, aku cakap bunyi mercun tu lebih kuat dari bunyi motosikal ke apa. (sedangkan faktor-faktor bagi mengira bunyi diabaikan). faham?
   
now, kau jawab soalan aku yang kat atas tu pulak. aku just nak tahu... tapi, kalau kau tak rasa nak entertain... aku bukan kesah sangat pun. sebab... selalunya kau ni... kalau tak dapat jawapan atau jawapan yang orang lain beri kau tak puas hati... kau akan buat personal attack.
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Post time 24-6-2011 02:11 PM | Show all posts
ala senang ckp dsrum beating lg bising
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