Sifat "Bangkai Bernyawa" Dalam Diri Seorang Suami.......

afja

Originally posted by manakautau at 31-7-2008 12:19 PM


On the contrary TSD, isteri yang tidak pernah ditegur oleh suami akan segala perbuatan2nya yang tak betul terutama dari sudut agama, akan teruslah simpan somi macam nih kan???? Jadi siisteri  ...

posting ku yg ke #32 adalah menjawab kepada posting mu manak yg ke#30....
bab extremism - mean perlukan lebih usaha untuk berubah kepada yg baik aka kena kerja keras....

tp bab nk berubah ni pulak..... dtgnya dr hati dan usaha sendiri (ditambah dgn iradahNYA)
org lain hanya pemangkin....

dah kalau tuan bdn x mahu berubah.....
apo laie nk dikatokan ujang weh...

tu yg aku sebut fasakh, khuluq dan segala menda....
tuk kes yg EXTREMISM sajork...
yg degil tahap cipan....
ada fhm x ke x manak weh?

[ Last edited by  afja at 31-7-2008 01:33 PM ]

afja

Originally posted by manakautau at 31-7-2008 12:43 PM


Seperti lazimnya setelah kita seesai secara dasarnya memberi takrifan yang boleh dianggap sebagai comfortable to everybody....kita boleh lah teruskan dengan mengkaji faktor2 yang menyebabkan  ...

manak....
hang dh ada suami ke belum?
cemana tahap kepimpinan beliau?

hzln

Originally posted by manakautau at 31-7-2008 01:13 PM

Manak cuba kasi contoh.....Isteri yang sedang bergossip, mengumpat,mengeji, mencarut dan yang sewaktu ngannya didalam forum....suami yanglhat akan perbuatan isterinya ini tahu yang selama ini dia tidakmendidik isterinya akan perkara yang baik,sebab itu isteri beranimelakukan perbuatan itu didepannya..... lalu dia pun tidak menegurtakut dimakinya pula oleh isterinya.....alang2 tak boleh menegur....diapun duduk disebelah isterinya yang sedang shiok mengutuk orang...laludia pun bertepuk sorak tanda galakkan.......

i can definitely read between the lines where u're heading to...stop it manak.

tidak tegur sbb takut kena marah, dgn tidak tegur sbb tak kisah dosa/pahala lain tau manak...
mana tahu dia tak tegur directly, tapi bertepuk sorak tanda galakan tu sbg reversi psiko mungkin?
mana tau org yg digosip, diumpat, dikeji, dicarut tu mmg haprak pun (i'm not saying that it is ok to do that ok?), tak salah benci dgn sesuatu yg haprak kan? terpulanglah pada yg diumpat, dikeji, dicarut tu nak sedar diri dan cuba berubah ke arah kebaikan ke tak....
lain ler kalu yg diumpat, dikeji, dicarut tu sesuci2 manusia....

manakautau

Originally posted by hzln at 31-7-2008 02:04 PM


i can definitely read between the lines where u're heading to...stop it manak.

tidak tegur sbb takut kena marah, dgn tidak tegur sbb tak kisah dosa/pahala lain tau manak...
mana tahu d ...

Read all the lines that you need to read but please do no presumed anything by being prejudiced(stop it Manak)

Can never discount anything......all the above yang disebut are merely probabalities jugak kan? So apa masalahnya?

As much as you too are assuming things such as reverse psycho and wat not...thats your argument...so you can lay down your argument...I don't have that privilege right? coz when it comes to me then it will be different proposition altogether??

manakautau

Originally posted by afja at 31-7-2008 01:35 PM


manak....
hang dh ada suami ke belum?
cemana tahap kepimpinan beliau?

Sedang tunggu orang masuk meminang nih.........

afja

Originally posted by manakautau at 31-7-2008 02:24 PM


Sedang tunggu orang masuk meminang nih.........   

owh belum bersuami lg....

hzln

i'm just trying to see what MIGHT lie underneath gitu...idup kena bersangka baik kan manak?
yang di permukaannya, semua perbuatan mengumpat, mengeji apa2 me yg lain lah mmg buruk, si suami yg terang2 tidak betulkan isterinya juga mmg buruk. tapi...yg di sebalik itu, yg membawa kpd perbuatan itu, hanya allah, si pengumpat, suami si pengumpat dan pihak yang diumpat saja tau...

manakautau

Originally posted by hzln at 31-7-2008 02:04 PM


tidak tegur sbb takut kena marah, dgn tidak tegur sbb tak kisah dosa/pahala lain tau manak...
mana tahu dia tak tegur directly, tapi bertepuk sorak tanda galakan tu sbg reversi psiko mungkin?
mana tau org yg digosip, diumpat, dikeji, dicarut tu mmg haprak pun (i'm not saying that it is ok to do that ok?), tak salah benci dgn sesuatu yg haprak kan? terpulanglah pada yg diumpat, dikeji, dicarut tu nak sedar diri dan cuba berubah ke arah kebaikan ke tak....

Tidak tegur sebab tidak mahu jadikan pergaduhan sebab tahu isteri tahap gaban suka gaduh........atas alasan ini TUHAN boleh tunggu ...sebab nanti solat boleh mintak pengampunan dari nya kerana tidak tegur isteri.......
Reverse psychology maybe...tapi takut malam tak dapat pun...mungkin jugak kan?
Mengumpat mengeji serta mengutuk itu dihalalkan selagi yang dikutuk itu juga so called deserved it? Agama kurdis mana yang kita pakai?
Membenci = MengutuK????? Agama ajork kita pakai reverse psychology dengan mengutuk mengeji mencarutkan orang utk berikan kesedaran pada orang yang kita keji tu??
And al this while suami yang dbelakang tak tahu bezakan mengutuk dengan mencarutkan orang itusama dengan sekadar kita bencikan orang itu?

Enuf said.........

manakautau

Originally posted by hzln at 31-7-2008 02:34 PM
i'm just trying to see what MIGHT lie underneath gitu...idup kena bersangka baik kan manak?
yang di permukaannya, semua perbuatan mengumpat, mengeji apa2 me yg lain lah mmg buruk, si suami y ...

Benda2 yang mighty mouse ini lah yang biasanya akan lebih mendatangkan musibah .....keberangkalian yang akan lebih mencetuskan perselisihan.......kalau hang orang yang boeh pikir lah.....like I believed what you said...kena bersangka baik...dan jika ths connotation juga hang pegang then isu you reading between the lines dan asking me to stop for God knows what, would no have surfaced right?

manakautau

Originally posted by hzln at 31-7-2008 02:34 PM
i'm just trying to see what MIGHT lie underneath gitu...idup kena bersangka baik kan manak?
yang di permukaannya, semua perbuatan mengumpat, mengeji apa2 me yg lain lah mmg buruk, si suami y ...

Kan dah Manak sebut tadi.......kita boleh bincangkan juga dari aspect contributory factors yang menyebabkan suami2 ini "mewarisi" sifat2 sedemikian kan?...dan akhirnya sampai pada satu titik tolak dimana kita dapat secaradasarnya merumuskan bagaimana cara terbaik dapat kita sama2 menggembleng tenaga ntuk jadikan rumahtangga kita lebih terataur dengan adanya seorang suamiyang baik...punyai kepimpinan yang baik dan boleh dikurangkan sifat2 aka aka bangkai bernyawa itu........boleh cik puan?

manakautau

Originally posted by afja at 31-7-2008 02:31 PM


owh belum bersuami lg....

Naper?....not for someone yang belum berkahwin to have this foresight untuk membincangkan isu ini ker TSD?

hzln

Originally posted by manakautau at 31-7-2008 02:39 PM


Tidak tegur sebab tidak mahu jadikan pergaduhan sebab tahu isteri tahap gaban suka gaduh........atas alasan ini TUHAN boleh tunggu ...sebab nanti solat boleh mintak pengampunan dari nya keran ...

we can see things in any way we want to see it but we definitely can't expect people to see things the way we see it or else they're damned. we can't expect us the be right all the times and others who don't share the same values as us are wrong all the times. each husband has their own ways in teaching and guiding their own wives, not necessarily when they don't take the route that we would normally take, then they are wrong and belong to that zombie bangkai bernyawa type.

only the husband knows what type of person their wife is and how to tackle their wife's bad habits, without much damage done to the relationship. yes, some women can be stubborn, emotional freak, and what-nots. the solution really depends on the type of person they both are, the environment they are in, their background, the severity of the wives offences and the whole gamut of other factors alright? there's no such thing as one method-fits-all ok?

i had actually expected THAT would be yr reaction when i wrote maybe those who are being bad-mouthed are bad persons themselves. nevermind, maybe u don't read what i put in brackets there, some sort of a disclaimer, maybe u choose to ignore it. it's alright manak, i forgive u...

and on that "read between the lines" thingy, if it's not true, if it's insignificant, u would have put that aside, pretend that it didn't exist at all...i do that all the time...i only get defensive when my ego is being challenged....and there's some truth in it, it's just that i'm too egoistic to admit it... (i'm talking abt myself ok? got nothing to do with other people )

manakautau

Originally posted by hzln at 31-7-2008 03:30 PM


we can see things in any way we want to see it but we definitely can't expect people to see things the way we see it or else they're damned. we can't expect us the be right all the times and  ...

Do I at any point of time force upon anyone to accept my views? No matter how persistent I may be holding on to that views of mine? Engage me on my points if you care but don't you ever presumed that I am forcing upon everyone else to accept my views...

manakautau

Originally posted by hzln at 31-7-2008 03:30 PM

i had actually expected THAT would be yr reaction when i wrote maybe those who are being bad-mouthed are bad persons themselves. nevermind, maybe u don't read what i put in brackets there, some sort of a disclaimer, maybe u choose to ignore it. it's alright manak, i forgive u...

And you think I am not aware of all this..........I am just playing along to your tune dear.........give you that edge.......you don't have to forgive me coz there is nothing to it that you need to forgive me....on the contrary it shud be a word of thanks that should be extended to me....for making you  come out "on top of me"....

afja

Originally posted by manakautau at 31-7-2008 02:55 PM


Naper?....not for someone yang belum berkahwin to have this foresight untuk membincangkan isu ini ker TSD?

TSD tu....TAN SRI DR yerk......poyo betul lah

tgh wat bancian nih....
jgn terperangkap....

manakautau

Originally posted by afja at 31-7-2008 03:44 PM


TSD tu....TAN SRI DR yerk......poyo betul lah

tgh wat bancian nih....
jgn terperangkap....

Duhhhhhhh..........very sharp indeed...I loiikkee.......cuma DR to silap sikit....shud be Dato...and aku tahu ko dah pun tahu... saja jer kan,kan,kan?

hzln

ok manak..thank u manak...for somewhat suggesting that the other option of "maybe u choose to ignore it" are right after all... :victory:

and on that imposing one's views on others, i don't know why but i can't help but recall vk lingam's "look like me, sounds like me (but i'm not going to say that it's really me)" line of defense...and how on earth can i draw any parallel between you two...it's beyond me   (u may take it as a compliment, say what we may, he is still a top lawyer mind u )

afja

Originally posted by manakautau at 31-7-2008 03:48 PM


Duhhhhhhh..........very sharp indeed...I loiikkee.......cuma DR to silap sikit....shud be Dato...and aku tahu ko dah pun tahu... saja jer kan,kan,kan?

aku aminkan ajek..... AAMIN....
masin mulut ko manak....alhamdulillah

manakautau

Originally posted by afja at 31-7-2008 03:56 PM


aku aminkan ajek..... AAMIN....
masin mulut ko manak....alhamdulillah

Tengah dalam hadas besar nih pun doa boleh termakbul kan TSD?

manakautau

Originally posted by hzln at 31-7-2008 03:30 PM

each husband has their own ways in teaching and guiding their own wives, not necessarily when they don't take the route that we would normally take, then they are wrong and belong to that zombie bangkai bernyawa type.

only the husband knows what type of person their wife is and how to tackle their wife's bad habits, without much damage done to the relationship. yes, some women can be stubborn, emotional freak, and what-nots. the solution really depends on the type of person they both are, the environment they are in, their background, the severity of the wives offences and the whole gamut of other factors alright? there's no such thing as one method-fits-all ok?

Kalau dah semua camni....takder lah benda yang boleh dibincangkan.........

Hang nak kasi komen bab nih hang takut kena bambu ngan mak daras mak daras kat sini kah cik kak? kasi jer lah...dah aku kasik the breakdown lagi tang camna we should engage this thread......hang kasi views then kita engage on it lah....so far hang tanya aku soklan kat sebelah tu pas tu hang terus menceceh nak "attack" aku.....

So let us take on from where you stop tadi......tang suami yang semacam beri galakkan pada si isteri untuk berpakaian terdedah aka seksi meksi(pakai term faraway jap)........apa yang ada kat dalam pala hotak dorang waktu tu? moh lah bincang...

Kecuali hang nak stand on the safe side jer then Manak tak leh paksalah......