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Pendakwah Bebas Mintak Maaf pada Siti Kasim (sedih)
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Edited by cmf_shalom at 22-4-2018 11:28 AM
AK Ada jumpa info tambahan..psl Maria Shirin ni sapa lg cantik heheh..info Tu ckp Maria n shikin Sama cantik...tp kecantikan Maria lg merembes/meleleh( guna Bahasa budak Cari )
Patut la bini2 lain tu jaki semacam kt maria
Ak kt luar..ptg nnti blk umah ak share kt sini hehehe |
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Edited by cmf_shalom at 22-4-2018 11:53 AM
- BTW , @cmf_shalom , lobai kristian yg tak tau bible sendiri , bible ko sendiri catat tak ada problem antara Nabi Muhammad(saw) & Aishah(ra)
- Eze 16 :7-8
- 7 I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked.
- 8 “‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine.
- Macamana skg?
- In short , lobai & lobainita ateis & pro ateis ni adalah jenis2 yg kurang pakai otak
Sekarang ko nak cakap ayat dari kitab ezekial 16: 7-8 itu adalah ayat untuk menghalalkan perbuatan nabi anda berkawin dengan aisah?
aku ttiba nak jatuh tergolek ni..
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wei...itu ayat kutukan..ayat murka dari tuhan wei..bukan ayat pujian..
masyaallahh..apa dah jadi dengan pendebat Islam ni..
aku tahu...korg makin parah n terdesak..tapi jangan la korg ambil ayat murka tuhan dan jadikan ia pujian...Ya tuhan Yesus...kronik dh ko ni bro...
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Betapa teruk parahnya pendebat Islam sampai kan dorg merujuk Ezekial bab 16 ayat 7-8 adalah ayat yang menghalalkan Muhamad dan Aisah?
Rujuk keseluruhan bab 16 tersebut. Korg nilai la sendiri:
Jerusalem as an Adulterous Wife
16 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, confront Jerusalem with her detestable practices 3 and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says to Jerusalem: Your ancestry and birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. 4 On the day you were born your cord was not cut, nor were you washed with water to make you clean, nor were you rubbed with salt or wrapped in cloths. 5 No one looked on you with pity or had compassion enough to do any of these things for you. Rather, you were thrown out into the open field, for on the day you were born you were despised.
6 “‘Then I passed by and saw you kicking about in your blood, and as you lay there in your blood I said to you, “Live!”[a] 7 I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked.
8 “‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine.
9 “‘I bathed you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you. 10 I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. 11 I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, 12 and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13 So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was honey, olive oil and the finest flour. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. 14 And your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty, because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect, declares the Sovereign Lord.
15 “‘But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute. You lavished your favors on anyone who passed by and your beauty became his. 16 You took some of your garments to make gaudy high places, where you carried on your prostitution. You went to him, and he possessed your beauty.[b] 17 You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them. 18 And you took your embroidered clothes to put on them, and you offered my oil and incense before them. 19 Also the food I provided for you—the flour, olive oil and honey I gave you to eat—you offered as fragrant incense before them. That is what happened, declares the Sovereign Lord.
20 “‘And you took your sons and daughters whom you bore to me and sacrificed them as food to the idols. Was your prostitution not enough? 21 You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols. 22 In all your detestable practices and your prostitution you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, kicking about in your blood.
23 “‘Woe! Woe to you, declares the Sovereign Lord. In addition to all your other wickedness, 24 you built a mound for yourself and made a lofty shrine in every public square. 25 At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by. 26 You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity. 27 So I stretched out my hand against you and reduced your territory; I gave you over to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were shocked by your lewd conduct. 28 You engaged in prostitution with the Assyrians too, because you were insatiable; and even after that, you still were not satisfied. 29 Then you increased your promiscuity to include Babylonia,[c] a land of merchants, but even with this you were not satisfied.
30 “‘I am filled with fury against you,[d] declares the Sovereign Lord, when you do all these things, acting like a brazen prostitute! 31 When you built your mounds at every street corner and made your lofty shrines in every public square, you were unlike a prostitute, because you scorned payment.
32 “‘You adulterous wife! You prefer strangers to your own husband! 33 All prostitutes receive gifts, but you give gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from everywhere for your illicit favors. 34 So in your prostitution you are the opposite of others; no one runs after you for your favors. You are the very opposite, for you give payment and none is given to you.
35 “‘Therefore, you prostitute, hear the word of the Lord! 36 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because you poured out your lust and exposed your naked body in your promiscuity with your lovers, and because of all your detestable idols, and because you gave them your children’s blood, 37 therefore I am going to gather all your lovers, with whom you found pleasure, those you loved as well as those you hated. I will gather them against you from all around and will strip you in front of them, and they will see you stark naked. 38 I will sentence you to the punishment of women who commit adultery and who shed blood; I will bring on you the blood vengeance of my wrath and jealous anger. 39 Then I will deliver you into the hands of your lovers, and they will tear down your mounds and destroy your lofty shrines. They will strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry and leave you stark naked. 40 They will bring a mob against you, who will stone you and hack you to pieces with their swords. 41 They will burn down your houses and inflict punishment on you in the sight of many women. I will put a stop to your prostitution, and you will no longer pay your lovers. 42 Then my wrath against you will subside and my jealous anger will turn away from you; I will be calm and no longer angry.
43 “‘Because you did not remember the days of your youth but enraged me with all these things, I will surely bring down on your head what you have done, declares the Sovereign Lord. Did you not add lewdness to all your other detestable practices?
44 “‘Everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: “Like mother, like daughter.” 45 You are a true daughter of your mother, who despised her husband and her children; and you are a true sister of your sisters, who despised their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. 46 Your older sister was Samaria, who lived to the north of you with her daughters; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you with her daughters, was Sodom. 47 You not only followed their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they. 48 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.
49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. 51 Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. 52 Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.
53 “‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them, 54 so that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all you have done in giving them comfort. 55 And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before. 56 You would not even mention your sister Sodom in the day of your pride, 57 before your wickedness was uncovered. Even so, you are now scorned by the daughters of Edom[e] and all her neighbors and the daughters of the Philistines—all those around you who despise you. 58 You will bear the consequences of your lewdness and your detestable practices, declares the Lord.
59 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will deal with you as you deserve, because you have despised my oath by breaking the covenant. 60 Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. 61 Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you receive your sisters, both those who are older than you and those who are younger. I will give them to you as daughters, but not on the basis of my covenant with you. 62 So I will establish my covenant with you, and you will know that I am the Lord. 63 Then, when I make atonement for you for all you have done, you will remember and be ashamed and never again open your mouth because of your humiliation, declares the Sovereign Lord.’” |
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Serius ak nak jatuh tgolek dari pentas ni skrg... |
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Edited by sam1528 at 22-4-2018 05:48 PM
Ha ha ha ha ... selamat jatuh dari pentas pasal terkejut
Ni dia commentary bible :
8. thy time of love--literally, "loves" (compare Solomon 2:10-13 ). Thou wast of marriageable age, but none was willing to marry thee, naked as thou wast. I then regarded thee with a look of grace when the full time of thy deliverance was come ( Genesis 15:13 Genesis 15:14 , Acts 7:6 Acts 7:7 ). It is not she that makes the advance to God, but God to her; she has nothing to entitle her to such notice, yet He regards her not with mere benevolence, but with love, such as one cherishes to the person of his wife ( Solomon 1:3-6 Jeremiah 31:3 Malachi 1:2 ).
spread my skirt over thee--the mode of espousals ( Ruth 3:9 ). I betrothed thee ( Deuteronomy 4:37 , 10:15 , Hosea 11:1 ). The cloak is often used as a bed coverlet in the East. God explains what He means, "I entered into . . . covenant with thee," that is, at Sinai. So Israel became "the wife of God's covenant" ( Isaiah 54:5 , Jeremiah 3:14 , Hosea 2:19 Hosea 2:20 , Malachi 2:14 ).
thou . . . mine--( Exodus 19:5 , Jeremiah 2:2 ).
9. washed I thee--as brides used to pass through a preparatory purification ( Esther 2:12 ). So Israel, before the giving of the law at Sinai ( Exodus 19:14 ); "Moses sanctified the people, and they washed their clothes." So believers ( 1 Corinthians 6:11 ).
oil--emblem of the Levitical priesthood, the type of Messiah ( Psalms 45:7
Kah kah kah ... jadik apa euphemism pada ayat2 tersebut
Senang aje : bible commentary catat marriageable age & bible catat puberty
Macamana skg?
Lets see , aku ada bible commentary , ko hanya auta dgn copy paste bible verses
Dah jatuh dari pentas ke? Jatuh tang kepala atau macamana?
Ngak ngak ngak
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nampak nya ko ni makin kronik..
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Kah kah kah ... its ok , aku paham
Org yg tak ada jawapan bernas ... macam tu lah
Contoh dah banyak , ie:
- Journal SAGE to bodoh
- we dont need any medikal terms or the"word" pedo etc2..
- Kita kena guna medical definition tawwwww , abam deeen(sengau2 slang mat salleh)
LOL ....
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Gaduh lah korg.siapa yg menang nanti lol |
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Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpffftght
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Masyallah.........sampai begitu sekali 
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Maideen. replied at 22-4-2018 07:45 PM
Mula mula samdol berhujah tak apa kalau orang tua arab mahu kawen budak pompuan kecik sebab dulu d ...
Keseluruhan bab 16 Tu berkaitan dengan penghujatan tuhan diatas kefasikan umat Israel pada zaman Nabi Ezekiel yg diumpamakan dengan aktiviti tidak bermoral..pensundalan..
Tp phujah isle ckp ayat itu benarkan Nabi dia utk kawen dengan aisah..
Korg rujuk la mana2 ahli tafsir kitab...baik yahudi mahupun xtian... |
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Punyalah nak menang debat sampai gila isim  |
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jelas nyata Medeen saja2 joking kat post tu, dan kau anggap itu bende serius???? napa tongong nau engko nih, lobai kon?? kaahhh kah kah ...  
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kusangka aku yg selalu tak paham bijik butir yg kau cakap,
rupanya ko sendiri yang selalu tak paham apa yg ko tepek, contoh 707#
memang sah ko tongong top notch punya
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Ha ha ha ha .... lobai mamat papua mula masuk nak support si abam deeen(sengau2 slang mat salleh)
Mana ko tau si abam deeen , ooops kadang2 akak deeen(sengau2 slang mat salleh) tu joking?
Mungkin dia mengencing lagi konon2 dia tu pompuan , maklum lah dia tu kaki kencing tersohor kat CI ni
Huh ... hang marah sgt ke yg hero2 ko dah kena tampar kiri kanan
Tak mampu bagi argument bernas .... marah lah org tongong
The story of your life ... kesian
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Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 22-4-2018 06:37 PM
Samdol!
Satu sahaja saya nak tanya. Saya tak mau kecoh kecoh dah seperti dahulu lagi! kalau tohan jadikan nabi Muhammed tu sebagai role model untuk semua manusia beribu ribu tahun akan datang semejak 1400 lepas...apasal tohan memberi mimpi kepada nabi Muhammed untuk kahwin dengan budak berumur 6 tahun?
Sepatutnya tohan dah tau apa yang manusia mahukan pada kehidupan akan datang iatu berkahwin dengan kanak kanak adalah satu perbuatan keji di alam kehidupan modern yang mana pemikiran manusia semakin matang dalam berfikir.
Jadi...Kenapa Kenapa Kenapa ...
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Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mamat papua dok syok sendiri
Ooooh .. post#707 ye
Ni dia post#707
Sekarang ko nak cakap ayat dari kitab ezekial 16: 7-8 itu adalah ayat untuk menghalalkan perbuatan nabi anda berkawin dengan aisah?
aku ttiba nak jatuh tergolek ni..
'
wei...itu ayat kutukan..ayat murka dari tuhan wei..bukan ayat pujian..
masyaallahh..apa dah jadi dengan pendebat Islam ni..
aku tahu...korg makin parah n terdesak..tapi jangan la korg ambil ayat murka tuhan dan jadikan ia pujian...Ya tuhan Yesus...kronik dh ko ni bro...
Bukan ada fakta pon , hanya mengencing aje ... simple minds macam ko suka sgt
- personal opinion
- emotional argument
- langsung tak address the issue ... dok syok sendiri aje
Bila bagi fakta yg perlukan org macam ko berpikir .... its a turn off pasal ko ni jenis simple mind ... takut nak berpikir
Lagi sekali aku bagi Bible Commentary Jamieson-Fausset-Brown
8. thy time of love--literally, "loves" (compare Solomon 2:10-13 ). Thou wast of marriageable age, but none was willing to marry thee, naked as thou wast. I then regarded thee with a look of grace when the full time of thy deliverance was come ( Genesis 15:13 Genesis 15:14 , Acts 7:6 Acts 7:7 ). It is not she that makes the advance to God, but God to her; she has nothing to entitle her to such notice, yet He regards her not with mere benevolence, but with love, such as one cherishes to the person of his wife ( Solomon 1:3-6 Jeremiah 31:3 Malachi 1:2 ).
spread my skirt over thee--the mode of espousals ( Ruth 3:9 ). I betrothed thee ( Deuteronomy 4:37 , 10:15 , Hosea 11:1 ). The cloak is often used as a bed coverlet in the East. God explains what He means, "I entered into . . . covenant with thee," that is, at Sinai. So Israel became "the wife of God's covenant" ( Isaiah 54:5 , Jeremiah 3:14 , Hosea 2:19 Hosea 2:20 , Malachi 2:14 ).
thou . . . mine--( Exodus 19:5 , Jeremiah 2:2 ).
9. washed I thee--as brides used to pass through a preparatory purification ( Esther 2:12 ). So Israel, before the giving of the law at Sinai ( Exodus 19:14 ); "Moses sanctified the people, and they washed their clothes." So believers ( 1 Corinthians 6:11 ).
oil--emblem of the Levitical priesthood, the type of Messiah ( Psalms 45:7
Senang aje : bible commentary catat marriageable age & bible catat puberty
Macamana skg?
Tak terjawab jugak
Geng ko , si lobai kristian @cmf_shalom (yg tak tau bible sendiri) dok sibuk dgn
Keseluruhan bab 16 Tu berkaitan dengan penghujatan tuhan diatas kefasikan umat Israel pada zaman Nabi Ezekiel yg diumpamakan dengan aktiviti tidak bermoral..pensundalan..
Tp phujah isle ckp ayat itu benarkan Nabi dia utk kawen dengan aisah..
Jadik konfom lah , bible tak ada problem kalo pompuan tu kawin & mengadakan hubungan suami isteri bila dia baligh atau bila attained puberty
Double confirm dgn bible commentary
Nak gelak lagi .... ko kutuk kononnya paedophilia antara Nabi Muhammad(saw) & Aishah(ra) , yg korang sendiri tak tau apa tu paedophilia - adalah satu pengakuan yg bible tak betul , eze16:7-8
TQ lah aku ucapkan
Kah kah kah .... kesian ... korang dah tersepit skg ... macaman korang pusing pon dah kena
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Edited by sam1528 at 23-4-2018 10:49 AM
Baaaaahwahwahwa ..... lobai mat slow v2 masuk kononnya nak defend geng lah tapi merapu lebih
Ni apa ko merepek :
Samdol!
Satu sahaja saya nak tanya. Saya tak mau kecoh kecoh dah seperti dahulu lagi! kalau tohan jadikan nabi Muhammed tu sebagai role model untuk semua manusia beribu ribu tahun akan datang semejak 1400 lepas...apasal tohan memberi mimpi kepada nabi Muhammed untuk kahwin dengan budak berumur 6 tahun?
Sepatutnya tohan dah tau apa yang manusia mahukan pada kehidupan akan datang iatu berkahwin dengan kanak kanak adalah sesatu yang di anggap sebagai perbuatan keji di alam kehidupan modern yang mana pemikiran manusia semakin matang dalam berfikir?
Kalo tuhan macam ni & macam tu hanyalah argument
- personal opinion
- emotional argument
- langsung tak address the issue ... dok syok sendiri aje
Like I stated , hanya simple minds yg tak mampu berpikir aje buat argument macam ni
Apa salah kalo Nabi Muhammad(saw) mimpi ttg Aishah(ra) ... oops , don't tell me , pada ko mimpi pon boleh jadik paedophile
Nampak gaya ko pon tak tau apa tu paedophilia
Why talk about things yg ko sendiri tak paham? Hanya under educated morons jae buat sedemikian
Kan aku dah bagi SAGE Journal yg dgn jelas catat :
The concept of childhood varies in meaning across different times and places. As such, historical and cultural variation in understandings of adult/child sexual relations might therefore be anticipated.
Ko paham ke apa tercatat tu , cakap duduk kat UK , simple english pon tak paham ... susah lah ni
Apa makna 'varies in meaning across different times'?
Pada abam deeen ... oopa akak deeen(sengau2 slang mat salleh) , @Maideen.varies in meaning across different times = orang tua di England dan Amrika pon kawen budak pompuan kecik jugak
He he he he ... ko pon bulat2 percaya tersebut
Sedap tak kencing abam deeen ... oops , akak deeen(sengau2 slang mat salleh)?
Dia mengaku pulak tu ada firma guaman sendiri .... buat malu aje
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Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 22-4-2018 06:57 PM
Saya tanya jawab ajalah. Ini jawab dengan sohlan! Ka samdol tak faham apa yang saya tanya? Komponglah samdol tak faham sebab tu samdol tanya apa itu..”Apa makna 'varies in meaning across different times'?” Ka samdol mabuk ketom?
Tak membantu lansoooong!
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