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Balas #60 Shwein1990\ catat
it was not the end, he was resurrected..he..he..he
Yes, we follow his new covenant given to us!! And we pray to one and only God. And He is God, the way of life, a truly humble and yet mighty God. he became man and was crucified for the sake of mankind.....at the moment all sins were on him and he called to the Father: My God, my God, why have you forsaken me!!
The problem start from there... may be it was Setan or Iblis... since the original body of Jesus pbuh was removed... for a proper funeral...
And yet somebody can accepted God like that... hmmm what a weird... GOD became man and died, resurrected and have a Father which the Father is Himself...
pandai betul Paul pusing... musuh utama pengikut Jesus pbuh semasa Jesus pbuh hidup.... tak macam OT langsung...
My God, my God, why you have forsaken me??? Ayat penyesalan...
To You I commit my spirit... ehhh... mana satu dahhhhhhhhhhhh
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"The problem start from there... may be it was Setan or Iblis... sincethe original body of Jesus pbuh was removed... for a proper funeral..."
So, u agree that Jesus died and needed a funeral??
"And yet somebody can accepted God like that... hmmm what a weird... GODbecame man and died, resurrected and have a Father which the Father isHimself...
pandai betul Paul pusing... musuh utama pengikut Jesus pbuh semasa Jesus pbuh hidup.... tak macam OT langsung.."
er... how hard was it to accept God who became man, died and resurrected?? er, so, u suggest that Allah cant do this kind of things? isnt Him can do anything? nothing is impossible for Him?? 
oh and another point, do you know who is the Father?? u said , "GODbecame man and died, resurrected and have a Father which the Father isHimself..." so, does it means this "GOD" who became man and died, resurrected and have a Father is actually the Father?? alright, i guess u got it wrong. Please kaji betul-betul. Was it the Father who became man or the Son??
It was not only Paul that claimed Jesus is God. the Gospel of John too talks about Jesus is God. and mind you, John the Apostle live longer then Paul, therefore, Paul could not change anything from the Gospel of John. which means no space for altering or etc. |
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Reply #62 Shwein1990's post
So, u agree that Jesus died and needed a funeral??
NO.. Jesus pbuh (nabi Isa A.S) was not dead... he was ascendant to heaven waiting for second return for recorrect the damage made by Paul and the others...
The bodied who died for crucifixion was Judas... after his face was changed to Jesus pbuh face... (Of course by Allah Power) .... that was I believed... so we just wait and see.... if we stil alive!
er... how hard was it to accept God who became man, died and resurrected?? er, so, u suggest that Allah cant do this kind of things? isnt Him can do anything? nothing is impossible for Him??
Kerana sifat-sifat Allah... iaitu tiada persamaan dengan ciptaanNya walau sebesar zarah sekali pun. Allah itu Esa.. tidak beranak dan tidak diperanakkan.. tiada awal dan tiada akhir.. tiada letih... tiada mengantuk... tidak tidur.. tidak makan..tidak minum... tidak bernafas... etc
oh and another point, do you know who is the Father?? u said , "GODbecame man and died, resurrected and have a Father which the Father isHimself..." so, does it means this "GOD" who became man and died, resurrected and have a Father is actually the Father?? alright, i guess u got it wrong. Please kaji betul-betul. Was it the Father who became man or the Son??
Allah is Allah. Allah is GOD
Jesus pbuh is Jesus pbuh. Jesus pbuh is human. full stop.
It was not only Paul that claimed Jesus is God. the Gospel of John too talks about Jesus is God. and mind you, John the Apostle live longer then Paul, therefore, Paul could not change anything from the Gospel of John. which means no space for altering or etc.
(Not sure who died first... But I'm sure the Paul epistles and claims came first than the other Gospel...That's why... only 4 Gospel as main references in Christian...The others may be difference like Gnostic and Barnabas Gospel. Tengah buat research... and research take time maaaaa...) |
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"NO.. Jesus pbuh (nabi Isa A.S) was not dead... he was ascendant toheaven waiting for second return for recorrect the damage made by Pauland the others...
The bodied who died for crucifixion was Judas... after his face was changed to Jesus pbuh face... (Of course by Allah Power) .... that was I believed... so we just wait and see.... if we stil alive!"
well, thats in Islam, but the Bible says, Jesus died and was resurrected. Right, just wait and see 
"Kerana sifat-sifat Allah... iaitu tiada persamaan dengan ciptaanNyawalau sebesar zarah sekali pun. Allah itu Esa.. tidak beranak dan tidakdiperanakkan.. tiada awal dan tiada akhir.. tiada letih... tiadamengantuk... tidak tidur.. tidak makan..tidak minum... tidakbernafas... etc"
So it suggested that Allah cant simply add a human nature to himself for divine purposes?? hm? i thought nothing is impossible to Allah?? nevermind la, your God cannot do such thing......cuz got limit perhaps?
"Actually... there are no Father nor Son..
Allah is Allah. Allah is GOD
Jesus pbuh is Jesus pbuh. Jesus pbuh is human. full stop."
YES!!! but thats in Islam. again, in Christianity, God has 3 distinct natures, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit!! Jesus became man and at the same time still God!!
"You wrong... Gospel of John was the last... So there was influence from Paul epistles and claim.."
You mean, even the disciples will be influenced by the so-called false teachings? nonsense, the Apostles were taught by Jesus Himself!!
"may be he was force to write the Gospel according to Paul epistles and claim.."
yealor... mayb right?? mayb Muhammad was given revelations by Satan right?? maybe??? who knows?? 
"(Not sure who died first... But I'm sure the Paul epistles and claimscame first than the other Gospel...That's why... only 4 Gospel as mainreferences in Christian...The others may be difference like Gnostic andBarnabas Gospel."
Paul died first, the last apostle was John. And i dont get what u meant, "thats why only 4 Gospel as main references??" |
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Balas #65 wattttb\ catat
"EMMANUEL" GOD- WITH -US....
Kamu yang tak nampak...kerana kamu bukan CHRISTIAN...bagi yang BORN AGAIN kami nampak.
Dalam tidur nampak...
Bangun tidur nampak..
serapan pagi nampak
Pergi kerja nampak
Dalam office nampak
Buat kerja di office nampak
waktu driving nampak
mana-mana pergi nampak
Di gereja nampak
di kedai pun nampak
Hehehe... seronok lah menjadi CHRISTIAN. SAYA BETUL -BETUL BERSYUKUR PADA TUHAN KERAN DIA SENTIASA BERSTA KAMI.
Nampak dan rasa adalah perkara yang berlainan...
Nampak adalah menggunakan mata.... (Tidur...ZZZZZ dah tak nampak dah... kalau ada pun mimpi)
Dengar menggunakan telinga...
Rasa menggunakan sentuhan, lidah, hati, akal etc
So... adakah nampak yang kau maksudkan adalah menggunakan mata???
Aku juga merasakan bahawa Allah bersama dengan aku... tapi aku tak nampak kerana mata manusia mempunyai kebolehan yang terhad... |
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Balas #64 Shwein1990\ catat
well, thats in Islam, but the Bible says, Jesus died and was resurrected. Right, just wait and see
Yes you right... that's my Islam view..
Ok... now... my view from Bible... no body know if Jesus pbuh body was taken out by somebody for exact funeral... check the jews4judaism website... or need I paste it here??
So it suggested that Allah cant simply add a human nature to himself for divine purposes?? hm? i thought nothing is impossible to Allah?? nevermind la, your God cannot do such thing......cuz got limit perhaps?
Allah juga mempunyai sifat-sifat mustahil... iaitu sifat lemah, sifat mengantuk, sifat bernafas, sifat makan, sifat minum (seperti sifat manusia)... maka sebab itu Allah tidak akan menzahirkan ZatNya sebagai manusia... Divine Purpose perhap... Only Allah knows...
YES!!! but thats in Islam. again, in Christianity, God has 3 distinct natures, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit!! Jesus became man and at the same time still God!!
No.. Jesus pbuh stil human 100%... peoples who's thought he is GOD...
yealor... mayb right?? mayb Muhammad was given revelations by Satan right?? maybe??? who knows??
If Satan who given the revelations... Muslim mesti menyembah selain dari Allah... macam mengatakan Muhamad itu Tuhan atau anak Tuhan..... te he.. he..
Paul died first, the last apostle was John. And i dont get what u meant, "thats why only 4 Gospel as main references??"
Gospel which follow the Paul epistles and claims...... |
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"Yes you right... that's my Islam view..
Ok... now... my view from Bible... no body know if Jesus pbuh body wastaken out by somebody for exact funeral... check the jews4judaismwebsite... or need I paste it here??"
Yes, but its nobody knows..... i know, there are many THEORIES about the body, but wether they are true or not, no one knows. But as a Christian, i go according to the Bible. Since it is mentioned that Jesus was resurrected. thn thats the answer
"Allah juga mempunyai sifat-sifat mustahil... iaitu sifat lemah, sifatmengantuk, sifat bernafas, sifat makan, sifat minum (seperti sifatmanusia)... maka sebab itu Allah tidak akan menzahirkan ZatNya sebagaimanusia... Divine Purpose perhap... Only Allah knows..."
So, u mean Allah juga ade limit la?ada benda yang mustahil for Him??
"No.. Jesus pbuh stil human 100%... peoples who's thought he is GOD..."
Yes Jesus is 100% human. and at the same time 100% God. lolz thats christianity we're talking about.
"If Satan who given the revelations... Muslim mesti menyembah selaindari Allah... macam mengatakan Muhamad itu Tuhan atau anak Tuhan.....te he.. he."
What if we look from the other point of view, let say, ppl worship the right one, Jesus. and Satan used Muhammad to turn them away from the right one which is Jesus. It works this way too. lolz
"Gospel which follow the Paul epistles and claims......"
No, other Gospels were not accepted because they are written much much much much after the resurrection and even after the death of all the Apostles. |
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Balas #69 Shwein1990\ catat
Yes, but its nobody knows..... i know, there are many THEORIES about the body, but wether they are true or not, no one knows. But as a Christian, i go according to the Bible. Since it is mentioned that Jesus was resurrected. thn thats the answer
So, u mean Allah juga ade limit la?ada benda yang mustahil for Him??
It's not kinda a limit or what... Mustahil kerana sifat tersebut dijadikan hanya untuk ciptaanNya... Mustahil kan kalau Tuhan itu perlu makan?? Mustahil kan kalau Tuhan itu perlu tidur?? Kerana Allah itu sempurna... tidak perlukan sebarang bantuan... Kerana makan itu satu sifat yang memerlukan bantuan... tiada makanan akan kebulur...atau mati..
Jadi... itulah sifat-sifat yang dikatakan sebagai mustahil... iaitu sifat perlukan bantuan kepada sesuatu yang lain..... seperti Jesus pbuh sendiri yang perlukan bantuan untuk terus hidup....
What if we look from the other point of view, let say, ppl worship the right one, Jesus. and Satan used Muhammad to turn them away from the right one which is Jesus. It works this way too. lolz
Mari kta perbandingkan kepercayaan Judaism, Kristian dan Islam....
Bagi aku... aku percaya bahawa kita semua sebenarnya mempercayai Tuhan yang sama iaitu Allah S.W.T..
Kaum Yahudi mendapat Kitab yang pertama iaitu Taurat... dan Taurat juga merupakan Kitab Suci rujukan bagi Orang Kristian...
Jika kepercayaan Judaism sama seperti Kristian... maka bolehlah kau mengatakan setan telah memalingkan kepercayaan orang Islam...
Tetapi kita sedia maklum bahawa Judaism mempercayai Tuhan yang satu... dan Tuhan itu bukan Jesus pbuh seperti orang Kristian percaya...
Jadi di sini... perubahan berlaku pada kepercayaan orang Kristian sahaja... bukan Judaism dan Islam.... tak gitu....
Fikir-fikirkanlahhhh......
No, other Gospels were not accepted because they are written much much much much after the resurrection and even after the death of all the Apostles. |
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Originally posted by wattttb at 7-6-2008 11:42 PM 
So... adakah nampak yang kau maksudkan adalah menggunakan mata???
Oh Yah...nampak dengan mata.
Biar betul? Kamu nampak Tuhan dengan mata??? |
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Balas #71 jaundice\ catat
Itu yang aku hairan... sebenarnya... beberapa thread yang aktif sekarang ni... sebenarnya memperkatakan perkara yang sama...
Dalam thread lain... wattttb kata... kerana sinful nature... maka flesh tak boleh melihat Tuhan...
Laa ni... boleh nampak dengan mata pula?
Haru biru dibuatnya.... |
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Siapa yang syok kata nampak Tuhan? Ini memang sudah terpekena dadah buatan manusia, membuat dia mengalami 'hallucinations' atau hayalan. Mabuk minumn 'spirit' pun ada kemungkinan besar boleh hayal nampak apa yang dia hendak nampak. Exodus 33:20 There shall no man see me, and live.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time.
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.
1 Timothy 6:16 Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time
Ini semua permainan Lucifer. |
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Reply #73 satellite88's post
Banyak bukti tuh... tapi kenapa dia punya pendapat tak constant erk... kejap gitu kejap gini.... |
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IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
Originally posted by jaundice at 9-6-2008 04:44 PM 
Biar betul? Kamu nampak Tuhan dengan mata???
Untuk pengetahuan kamu....Bagi spiritual Christian, GOD REVEAL HIMSELF TO US THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT. tetapi kepada Christian yang tidak BORN AGAIN mereka tidak akan memahami perkara ini...KERANA GOD IS SPIRIT.
Kerana itu lah JESUS KATAKAN :-
"IN THEM THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET ISAIAH ARE FULFILLED:
MUCH AS YOU HEAR, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
MUCH AS YOU SEE WITH YOUR EYES , YOU DO NOT PERCEIVE.
FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPL HAS GROWN DULL. THEIR EARS HARDLY HEAR AND THEY EYES DARE NOT SEE.
IF THEY WERE TO SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND HEAR WITH THEIR EAR AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, THEY WOULD TURN BACK AND WOULD HEAL THEM.
BUT BLESSED ARE YOUR EYES BECAUSE THEY SEE AND YOUR EARS, BECAUSE THEY HEAR.
FOR I TELL YOU THAT MANY PROPHETS AND UPRIGHT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LONGED TO SEE THE THINGS YOU SEE, BUT THEY DO NOT, AND TO HEAR THE THINGS YOU HEAR, BUT THEY DID NOTHEAR IT" (MATTHEW13:14-17)
MAY GOD BLESS
AMEN
FROM WATT
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Reply #75 wattttb's post
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Walau pun sebagai Holy Spirit... tetap tidak boleh nampak... kau nampak ke Holy Spirit kau... warna apa heh?... |
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Balas #47 wattttb\ catat
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel
Matthew 1:23
揃ehold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,擺a] which is translated, 揋od with us. |
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mana post aku.. |
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IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
[quote]Originally posted by Nazrulism at 13-6-2008 10:17 PM
[table][tr][td]Balas #47 wattttb\ catat
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel
Matthew 1:23
揃ehold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,擺a] which is translated, 揋od with us. |
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Balas #79 wattttb\ catat
TUHAN TIDAK PERNAH MEMBUAT KESILAPAN....DIA MENGUTUSKAN MALAIKATNYA IAITU A MALAIKAT GIBRIEL
Aku sangat-sangat setuju.. Tuhan tidak pernah membuat kesilapan !
The word JESUS is the Latin form of the Greek JESOUS, which in turn is the transliteration of the Hebrew JESHUA, OR JOSHUA, OR AGAIN JEHOSHUA, meaning "JEHOVAH is SALVATION."
Erk.. setahu aku.. Bahasa Hebrew tiada 'J'.
Jesus (Jesous) adalah nama Latin yang diberikan selepas Council of Nicaea (325 AD). Nama beliau dalam bahasa beliau sendiri (old semitic) adalah EeShua atau Eesa (lidah arab -- Isa) dan tiada kena mengena dengan Jehovah (Yehowah-terbitan dari Yahweh) yang ditulis dalam hebrew 'YHWH'.
INI KEBENARAN NYA :-
"ALL THIS HAPPENED IN ORDER TO FULFILL WHAT THE LORD DA SAID THROUGH THE PROPHET: THE VIRGIN WILL CONCEIVE AND BEAR SON, AND HE WILL BE CALLED EMMANUEL, WHICH MEANS; GOD-WITH-US." (MATTHEW 1:22-23)
Mungkin inilah kesilapan;
Matthew (jika dia penulisnya) dengan bantuan 'holy spirit' menyalah tafsirkan ayat yang diQuote dari OT dari "SHALL CALL HIS NAME EMMANUEL" kepada "AND HE WILL BE CALLED EMMANUEL" Dan difahami oleh yang Born Again dengan 'HE WILL BE EMMANUEL'.
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Post time 5-6-2008 05:26 PM
