Kepercayaan Reincarnation (2pics)

Sephiroth

by wei_loon5063  

without sutra etc, where do your spiritual knowledge arose?

We do not come from the Sutra.
It is the Sutra which comes from us.

This is the difference between Spiritualist and Atheist. Atheists always look for answers elsewhere; in books, sutras, old men with graying heads and teethless mouth or to self-proclaimed holymen and prophets.

Spiritualists looks within oneself and know All is One and One is All. We live within the World, and the World is within Us. We live within the Universe, and at the same time the Universe is within us.

All is One, and One is All.
All is within the One and the One is within All.

I do not see the difference between our cells and the massive galaxies that fills the sky. I do not see the difference between the fiery Sun and my fiery Spirit. I do not see the difference between the Dark Energy that govern the Universe unseen and the elusive Soul who is my true Self.

All you see are Sutras and meaningless words in books.

vikramavardhana

When we talk about reincarnation, it refers to spiritual realms. If we talk about gross mass, then no reincarnation because gross mass and subtle body is two different things. Then, it depends to which interpretation you choose to hold with.

vikramavardhana

There is no such thing known as "religion" back then, only dharm... Dharma is not a kind of religion. It is something which keeps this universe in order. Nowadays, it consists a multiple meaning and "religion" is not the most specific translation for this word. In Sanskrit, we only mention dharm as dharm, not Hindu dharm, Buddha dharm, Jinendra dharm or etc like in modern languages e.g Hindi. Dharm is interconnected with the Rta and Maya (Rgved, 10.133.6; Brihad Upanishad, 1.4.14).

The word "din" in Islamic religion itself comes from Persian word which is also found in Tiberian Hebrew. Persians live in the East of Semitic world but they were also once part of the Mesopotamian and Sumer empires.The word "din" in Middle Persian means "Vision" of the Truth from the Universe. I've been told by the Parsees (Indian Zoroastrians) that later the meaning evolves into "the insight into the Truth of Higher Spirit". The Higher Spirit is referred by them as, the "Ohr Mazd" which literally means the "Light of Wisdom". Our cognate Sanskrit (non-Persian) word for the reference is, "Asura Medhaha" where the asuras are now known to us as the anti-devas. Some Kashmiri Brahmins for e.g were the descents of ancient Persians especially the Saprus. Their ancestors embraced our ancestral worldview when they moved to Kashmir region.

We have the origin of asuras, devas and cosmology recorded in our Puranas (200 BCE - 200 CE)...

Sephiroth

by vikramavardhana  

There is no such thing known as "religion" back then, only dharm... Dharma is not a kind of religion. It is something which keeps this universe in order.

Dharma can also be considered as "Order" and those who follows this Order are those who calls Dharmic people.

What is Order?

The Sun rises and sets in a day - no exception.
There will be rain, wind and fire in the World - no exception.
Everything that lives will die and everything that dies will return to the Earth to return in another form - no exception.

When one sees at the rotting leaves in the ground above a large tree and the green leaves in the branches above, he will know a simple truth.

Those who are fools and atheists will see the leave in the branches and those in the ground to be different - because they choose only to see the gross matter which makes up the leaves.

But not a Sage. He sees the flow of energy. From the Sun and into the leaves where it stores the energy of the Sun (into the barks). Once the tasks are complete and the age of the leaves have reached its end, it will die and falls to the ground. It will rot and its matter will be absorbed into the ground through countless insects. When these insects dies, their gross matter will be absorbed into the roots of the tree and taken up to the top where it is used to create new leaves, and the cycle repeats.

So answer my question - Where is Death? When does Life begins?

Fools and atheists will answer :- Life begins in the Womb and ends in death.
Sages and Spiritualists will answer :- No where.

Truth.8

Sephiroth posted on 13-6-2014 03:50 PM
by wei_loon5063  

ini boleh macam ular...pusing ckp...kononya pandai...kalah  pendita atau nabi

of course lah semua dtg dari kitab2

wei_loon5063

Sephiroth posted on 13-6-2014 10:03 PM
by vikramavardhana  

well said sephs, you have a dharma eye....

dhamma in pali mean "to uphold" which also indicate reality

Sephiroth

wei_loon5063 posted on 15-6-2014 01:59 PM
well said sephs, you have a dharma eye....

dhamma in pali mean "to uphold" which also indica ...

To uphold Dharma (Order), One must always learn and understand the Order of All things - matter, energy and the flow of energy which links both the living and the non-living things in the Universe.

A person who wishes to live by Dharma must have resolve and commitment to find the Truth, live by the Truth and if necessary, question the Truth. He or she should never take any "facts" by its face value. In another word, following religion for sake of personal gratification, to please family, friends or society and out of fear of being abused by adharmic people is not the Way of the Dharmic person.

Following a religion just because everyone else doing it or out of fear do not bring a person to Dharma no matter how hard one prays. One must swim against the current to reach the other bank, not allow oneself be sweep by the current's flow.

vikramavardhana

What I read about Muslim's eschatology says that, their afterlife which is known as miscellaneous in their liturgical language only constitute the Paradise or Hell. They have no particular mention about the planetary system in this galaxy or the mention about other zillion galaxies outside of this galaxy. So, for them perhaps, only this galaxy constitutes the Universe while this is not the case for us.

Before the souls being judged or something like that, they would be assembled in some place known as the Masyar field before crossing the bridge as thin as a hair being sliced into seven strands. Those who're sinful would not be crossing the straight path bridge easily and have bigger chance to fall into the hell...

We have narration almost similar to this in our Puranas too. It has been told that Hell or Paradise is not forever. They're temporal since they're located within the Universe. In the gap period when one dies before being reincarnated, the "soul" would experience the janma (incarnation) within the three-tier realms (tribhuvans). The just and pious kings would be reincarnated in the Indralok which is the realm of their ancestors.

This aeon is the 7th aeon, the manvatara is Shraddha Dev, the Indra is Purandar... an aeon = 4.32 billion years (Vishnu and Bhagvat Puranas)... Vishuddhimarg (Buddhism) further explains the four types of kalpas...      

vikramavardhana

Muslims or Christians only have the concepts of dunya (world) and akhira (afterlife). The other one is alam barza (fence of two realms) which is in between the dunya and akhira but I'm not sure whether the soul of the deads would be reincarnated as other life in the meantime because I cannot find any detailed reference about this from their wide-spread traditions or manuals... I'm not sure about Jewish. Maybe i'll ask them.

Sephiroth

vikramavardhana posted on 16-6-2014 08:37 PM
What I read about Muslim's eschatology says that, their afterlife which is known as miscellaneous in ...

Do not equalize Muslim belief with Hinduism.

1. Muslims' hell is eternal (not temporary).
2. Muslims' heaven is eternal (not temporary).
3. Muslims do not believe in Reincarnation. They believe in a single life. Period.
4. Islam have no mentioned of galaxies or universe. For them, stars are just pasted on the ceiling of the World.
5. Hinduism do not have Prophets.

vikramavardhana

Sephiroth posted on 17-6-2014 02:14 AM
Do not equalize Muslim belief with Hinduism.

1. Muslims' hell is eternal (not tempora ...

Of course, bro. That is why they have deluded groups such as the ISIS/ISIL who values no human soul and blood because they believe that they would be washed only for certain period of times in Hell, then removed from there and eternally will be living in the paradise. They have no belief of the Union with God like us

Sephiroth

vikramavardhana posted on 17-6-2014 06:32 PM
Of course, bro. That is why they have deluded groups such as the ISIS/ISIL who values no human sou ...

Hinduism's ultimate goal is Moksha - or unification of individual soul with God (the Super Soul).

The difference between this and other religious "goals" are :

- Islam :- do not believe in unification. For them God and humans are separate and can never unite. Humans are considered (by their Allah) as inferior being, created only to worship and adore it. Failure to do so could result in eternal Hell. Important aspect to remember - This cannot be reached while a person still lives.

- Christianity :-  Has no mention of Unification. Believes that human souls will spend eternity in paradise under the watchful eyes of their god and lord (Jesus). Failure to do so could result in eternal Hell. Important aspect to remember - This cannot be reached while a person is alive.

Buddhism :- Goal is to achieve Moksha. Defines Moksha as a state of Mind and that once a person reaches this stage, he or she will not be reborn. Do not believe in individual Soul, therefore there is no reincarnation. Important aspect to remember - This CAN be reached within one's lifetime but it seems to serve no purpose since there is no individual Soul to liberate.

Hinduism :- State of Moksha - unification with God. Achieve by training the individual soul to intune with that of God's through Spiritualism. Important aspect to remember - This CAN be achieved within a single life time but the Soul must have undergone tremendous evolutions in pervious life to train the Soul to reach such stage.

Humanity must choose carefully which path they wish to take, because not all paths are the same. IF they choose the wrong path, they will only prolong their suffering in the World.

vikramavardhana

Sephiroth posted on 17-6-2014 12:48 PM
Hinduism's ultimate goal is Moksha - or unification of individual soul with God (the Super Soul).  ...

These distinction reminds me to some Muslim aspiration for something like the final glory in which they tried to establish a single caliphate across the world in a particular God name and a Gnostic Guru sayings.

Say, if this world is temporary and the Doomsday would come according to their faith articles, then what for the aspiration for a great empire on this Earth under the brand of "Islamic Rule"? Some of them even killed other human-being irregardless of their religion or their mazhab simply because of suspicion that others would hinder their aspiration for a glorious "religious" kingdom in the Earth. This is the case happening in Syria and Iraq and what happened with religious militia such as ISIS or ISIL.

Hegemonius reported that the Seer Mani (a Gnostic religion of Persian Sasan Empire and Mesopotamia) looked at the devil god which created the world was the same with Jewish "Jehovah". Hegemonius reports that Mani said, "It is the Prince of Darkness who spoke with Moses, the Jews and their priests. Thus the Christians, the Jews, and the Pagans (without revealed scriptures) are involved in the same error when they worship this God. For he leads them astray in the lusts he taught them." He goes on to state: "Now, he who spoke with Moses, the Jews, and the priests he says is the archont of Darkness, and the Christians, Jews, and pagans (ethnic) are one and the same, as they revere the same god. For in his aspirations he seduces them, as he is not the god of truth. And so therefore all those who put their hope in the god who spoke with Moses and the prophets have (this in store for themselves, namely) to be bound with him, because they did not put their hope in the god of truth. For that one spoke with them (only) according to their own aspirations".

Sephiroth

by vikramavardhana  

Hegemonius reported that the Seer Mani (a Gnostic religion of Persian Sasan Empire and Mesopotamia) looked at the devil god which created the world was the same with Jewish "Jehovah". Hegemonius reports that Mani said, "It is the Prince of Darkness who spoke with Moses, the Jews and their priests. Thus the Christians, the Jews, and the Pagans (without revealed scriptures) are involved in the same error when they worship this God. For he leads them astray in the lusts he taught them." He goes on to state: "Now, he who spoke with Moses, the Jews, and the priests he says is the archont of Darkness, and the Christians, Jews, and pagans (ethnic) are one and the same, as they revere the same god. For in his aspirations he seduces them, as he is not the god of truth. And so therefore all those who put their hope in the god who spoke with Moses and the prophets have (this in store for themselves, namely) to be bound with him, because they did not put their hope in the god of truth. For that one spoke with them (only) according to their own aspirations".

Good one, even so I have never heard of this before.

One thing we must always remember is that the Devil (or Evil) is NOT the enemy of God, it is Enemy of MAN. The Devil's goal is not to oppose God (which even in its ignorant and arrogant state, could know that could be impossible). Instead, the Devil (or Mara as Buddhists calls him) become the Enemy of Mankind. His goal is to pull Mankind from evolving Spiritually.

Why? Because once Man have become Spiritual, he could become like-God himself. His Soul (which is part and parcel of God) will mature to its full capability. He could exceed the physical limitations and death, he could shine like the Sun, travel through space without the need of spaceships or any other artificial means. His mind could be so vast, it could able to see any event in any parts of the physical universe, gasp the mysterious of the Universe and able to change his physical forms as he choose.

And most importantly, he could able to go to other lesser unevolved being and assist them in place of God (which limited His involvement into the physical Universe so free will could be accomplished). What this means is that Man will become the Hands of God in assisting other beings.

The Devil knows this. He had foreseen this and he doesn't want this to happen. And the way he tries to stop it is by :

1. Islam and Christianity.
2. Atheism
3. Science that has no values to Human Society.
4. By spreading Ignorance and Arrogance.
5. Wars and Strife.

Dzulqarnain

Pls, how you guys define these wordings?
- self/nafs/jiwa
- soul/spirit/roh

To elaborate on this matter, pls again explain on how did human being created?
- do state which one of the 'two' are YOU?


The decree:

The Spirit by command of my Lord
of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you.
- QS 17:85

wei_loon5063

Dzulqarnain posted on 19-6-2014 02:49 AM
Pls, how you guys define these wordings?
- self/nafs/jiwa
- soul/spirit/roh

The self is the result of craving that we claim this consciousness as ours. That we fail to realise that this self is a stream of consciousness that keeps on flowing. Always changes. Never constant. The thought, feeling, feeling, level of consciousness. All in constant flux.

human is the result of evolution and development of earth. We are product of star explosion.

wei_loon5063

You are not trying to understand others. You are trying to proof your seligion is correct my comaring others base kn your logic and set of mind.

E.g. We malaysian like to eat nasi lemak as breakfast. The caucasian like bread, which contradict with msian routine n diet. Then gather tonnes of msian ritual n culture to back up the nasi kemak diet so you feel great and not difference. Which you didnt ask and see why the caucasian eat bread, how good is the bread compared to nasi lamak,,,

vikramavardhana

wei_loon5063 posted on 18-6-2014 11:27 PM
You are not trying to understand others. You are trying to proof your seligion is correct my comarin ...

You're right on this, bro.
They believe that only their Path is the way to approach the Truth.
When their Quran says those things, it only applies to them not to others.
It clearly shows that the only way to salvation for them is only through that particular religious figure.
It is useless to find a point which seems comparable in order to prove our own "ego".
We on the other hand, believe that we patch the Truth like the puzzles from our Prokshans (accomplished Seers).
We identify things which we cling so much as "egoism".
It could be mental activity and which we'd already mentioned in the skandhas but to no avail they do not ponder on it because they believe other's have no God and have no celestial revelation simply because their religion is identified as celestial religion

Sephiroth

by Dzulqarnain  

Pls, how you guys define these wordings?
- self/nafs/jiwa
- soul/spirit/roh

To elaborate on this matter, pls again explain on how did human being created?
- do state which one of the 'two' are YOU?

Self/Jiwa => Common term for this is the Mind. Created by the Body through interaction with the Environment. Dies with the physical body at moment of death.

Soul/roh => An energy that fills the body, giving life to the gross matter which is the human body. First stage. Only after the Life is given, could the Mind (or the Self) be created according to the actions done in the previous life (as remembered by the Soul). The Soul survives physical death and reincarnate (transfer itself) into another physical body.

Human body is not created by God. It is created by the Physical World through countless Evolution of gross matter. One can say that Evolution of these gross matter created a perfect vessel for the soul to occupy and further its (spiritual) evolution.

Important - The Soul have no gender or race or species barrier, therefore it could occupy any form which fits its physical requirement. Which means that the soul can occupy a body of a tree, worm, insect, birds, animals, humans and gods. Abrahamic religious followers often make mistake thinking the Soul has specific requirement (such as occupying human body only).

Dzulqarnain

Noted n tq.