Kerjaya Sebagai Doktor

cengkerang

ye Mr RedDevils, ni nak menjawab soklan ko nih..hehe..kena tunggu anak tido dulu baru leh concentrate..

-nak apa dlm life? rasa cam jawapan soklan ni cliche je ikut mana pun. mcm apa normally org nak la, fullfillment, happiness, berjaya dunia akhirat, have good family and bring up kids who will function in the society so on so forth.

-minat la the initial thing that drove me into medicine in the first place. no resentment while i was in it, loads of frustation bila stuck halfway dulu. takde social life tu kisah jugak la, tapi tak forever mcm tu dak? tak kisah tak kaya? kaya wasn't my ultimate goal, tapi kalau boleh ada financial freedom to get by that would be a plus point. truthfully, senang ke nak kaya kat mesia ni profession apa pun..middle class most probably will stay there, org yg  betul2 kaya usually ada political relation somehow, and yg kaya makin kaya yg miskin nak dpt decent living pun payah. sengkek sgt ke jadi dr kat mesia?

-realistically, apa yg aku ada skrg, itu je la caranya aku dpt bayar balik 1/4 juta kat jpa. kalau kena bayar sendiri..with what i have now (not talking about apa yg aku belum ada) ntah la, mau wariskan hutang pulak ke anak2 aku..nauzubillah. tapi nak kata nak buat medic semata2 sebab tu tak la, but it is definitely not something i can put aside..

-nak puaskan hati org lain? hmm..at this age point tak kut,more tu kepuasan sendiri kalau cakap soal kepuasan hati la..

-ideally mmg nak buat something yg tak take my time away from my family, sapa taknak.. but setakat ni i've tried many things, be it online or offline, belum ada yg menjadi..jual barang kat ebay, online shop, offline bisnes, mlm (paling hampeh), autosurf, hyip and the sorts, belum la yg boleh aku consider as boleh buat duit decently. keje? dgn spm, u can figure out la how far one can go..

-ni soklan lebih kurang cam soklan no 2..

-pun lebih kurang cam soklan no 2. genetically kaya???? haha..kalau genetically kaya buat apa la aku pegi buat medic dulu..baik aku enjoy je lepas sekolah..haha..ada pulak term genetically kaya yek..baru harini akak tauu..hehe

-like i said, ideally mmg la taknak time away from family, but so far belum jumpa possible way. ok, the student in malaysia part mmg aku agak risau, teruk sgt ke? takde life sgt ke? keje part..pun teruk sangat sangat ke..abis tu camne docs kat mesia ni boleh kawin beranak pinak segala bagai?

tula aku appreciate sgt kalau ada yg boleh bagi picture camne teruknye medical profesion kat mesia ni..boleh ke nak make a living..lansung takde life sgt ke..sampai bila?  skrg aku nak tanya ko lak..ko menyesal ke jadi dr? nyesal apasal..pasal duit ke?

cengkerang

ipts, mahal la. 50k per yr,tapi possibility nak dpt sponsorship tinggi, so far the 1st and 2nd batch kat situ almost seme dpt sponsorship mara/petronas by 2nd sem 1st yr. students russia/ukraine yg balik lepas tak dpt recognition pun katanya dpt sponsorship kat situ. Most probably 1st sem la kena come up dgn duit sendiri..

mm..tulah, thanks again for the encouragement. dulu study kat uk which part? dgr ramai manchester students yg byk sangkut tukar course etc, yg sangkut tukar pegi IMU pun byk dgrnya. keje kat sana ke dulu? bila balik keje kat mesia rasa ok ke? hehe..sorry byk tanya..

rebas

wow at least 25 K sebelum dpt sponsorship... boleh buat loan kt husband/ or bank! masa med student dulu i was the only malay in the college.. malaysian ada 2..hehe.. tapi mmg kalau kat manchester malay student ramai yg buat medic.. that was long time ago masa malaysia hall masih di bryanston square!!

trusnowan

Originally posted by Uncle_K at 1-5-2007 06:36 PM
Boleh katakan setiap hari Uncle berurusan dengan pihak hospital USM dan juga Kota Bharu... Kesian gak dengan diaorang terutama yang muda muda tu....On call sokmo.....
Apapun Uncle ttap respek pa ...

uishh... ekau ni sapo sebenarnyo?? mungkin kita pernah ketemu...

cengkerang

the college requires 10k for the first sem until dpt sponsorship, kalau dah confirm x dpt then baru kena bayar the rest sendiri. tu yg consider nak sambung tu..kalau kena sendiri all the way, nak consider pun tak mampu..hehe. alhamdulillah la they're helpful and nampak serious nak produce good docs. they are strongly backed up by kem. pendidikan and teaching hospitals seme hospital kem. pertahanan. belum ada grads tapi nampak elok la..hopefully ok..

perghh..sorang je malay kat college..ni sure medschool power nih. boleh la mintak tunjuk ajar nanti. mesia hall kat bryanston sq, sempat la jugak 2 tahun zaman mesia hall lama tu..

[ Last edited by  cengkerang at 9-5-2007 10:49 PM ]

trusnowan

medical school yg paling haprak sekali, paling exam oriented ialah local U... cuti pun ciput jeeee. kalo oversea studt, glamor + x sestress buat med kat local U

tapi, kalo dah sampai 4th yr, xde masalah pun dgn 1-3rd yr... kacang je beb... kalo dah  penah belajar la...

ada pengalaman ke ni

trusnowan

cubalah koranng pandang doc yg graduated from oversea....

cengkerang

ko local grad ke? apa yg buat stressful sgt local med course sampai org label takde life la, mayat hidup la. teruk sgt ke? oversea stdnt glamer tu tak sure la pulak aku, tapi exp aku idak la stress sgt pun, naik clinical sibuk la tapi still ada life..

aku dah sampai ke 4th yr pun tapi study memain je dulu, byk refer past yr papers je, byk study buku crash course je, text book cam boleh kire dgn jari berapa kali guna takut knowledge level tak sama cam sini. sampai 3rd ye kelas takde full, paling banyak pun 5 sehari, biasanya kelas 3-4 je sehari, masa pre-clinical kalau hari ada dissection je kelas byk sket, time lain hu ha je manjang. aku risau 'cultural shock' je nanti..hehe

trusnowan

kalo IPTS ok kut...

local U ni... mmg la tersgt2 exam oriented...
ko teruskan je buat kat ipts tu... lagipun umur pun dah 26, dah kawin, pemikiran pun dah lain, dah penah belajar sampai yr4, ko punya advantage berkali kali kali kali ganda compared dgn freshies yg baru je nak masuk uni.

nway, gudlak... aku sokong je... go betty go!!

nazurah

kawan aku semalam bertungkus lumus menjawab soklan...tp katanya dalam ramai2 tu...8 org jek pass...susah bangat. kesian aku tgk dia..

dia kata kalo x smbg...nnt jd gp jek...so kenelah sambg kalo nk nek pangkat, nek gaji etc...

kazen aku plak...dah final year...sangkut... pala pun dah botak, hujung2 tukar course... skang bahagia sokmo keje ngn SP Setia

RedDevils

Originally posted by cengkerang at 9-5-2007 04:24 PM
ye Mr RedDevils, ni nak menjawab soklan ko nih..hehe..kena tunggu anak tido dulu baru leh concentrate..

-nak apa dlm life? rasa cam jawapan soklan ni cliche je ikut mana pun. mcm apa normally  ...

Bukanlah aku kata TERUK SANGAT life as a doc in Malaysia..
Lagipun, teruk tak teruk tu is subjective...lain org, lain pandangannya...ada yg kena on-call 3 kali seminggu dah kata teruk, aku dulu dua bulan kena on-call EOD masa dkt O&G...teruk ke nih? aku akan jawab: TERSANGATLAH TERUKNYA, mengalahkan buruh indon...

Regret ke jadik doc?
Ni personal view aku lah yer. Tak boleh dijadikan kayu ukur.
--aku tak pernah regret.Aku bangga sebab boleh jadik doc, dpt tolong org sakit, especially your own family member.Lagipun zaman sekolah dulu aku bukan pun budak pandai.So, rasa bertuah boleh jadik doc. Tu sebab aku selalu kata, nak jadik doc ni tak perlu pandai sangat, tak perlu score straight A, yg perlu ialah sedikit otak yg pandai guna peluang + keazaman + ketahanan diri utk study gila gila last minute...hehehhee...

Back to topic, yg buat aku rasa kurang best, (regret ni mcm terlalu terukl bunyi nye) ialah dengan sistem kerja di Malaysia nih.
Mmg aku tak boleh blend langsung dgn cara kerja di Gov. Hati & jiwa ini selalu memberontak, mahukan keadilan, mahupun ke saksamaan, mahupun appreciation atas apa yg dah kita curahkan. Appreciation yg aku nak bukanlah nak suruh Gov bagi aku sebijik ferrari, no! Appreciation in term of give & take, respect each other, bla bla bla...

aku dah try tipu diri sendiri, senyum selalu, set dlm hati kerja ni ibadah, sabo ajelahhh..tapi lagi aku nak buat mcm tu, lagi rasa tertekan. Tambah lagi dgn karenah birokrasi.
contoh paling kelakar ialah exam PTK. apa lah yg relevannya dgn skop kerja kau as a doc bila ditanya dgn terlalu detail about pengurusan(management)?? so bila mamat2/minah2 bhgian admin ambil PTK, mmg lah kacang, sebab kena mengena dgn skop tugas.Plus they have all the time in the world to study the whole book! Bayangkan bila kau training as a surgeon, ada ke masa nak baca buku khidmat awam? baik kau tumpukan utk brush up your surgical skills, baca recent journals plus TIDO/rest sebab kau dah bersengkang mata buat 2 laparotomy back to back!.
--the funny thing is, PTK kena score 85%...kalau tak, jadiklah kau chronic MO. even if kau score 90% pun, kalau kau tak sebulu/tak menjadi org kesayangan HOD, kau akan diketepikan, terperuk dan terceruk di dlm klinik(walaupun performance kau bagus di klinik, di OT, tak pernah miss jumpa patient).Ni salah satu bentuk no appreciation, pada aku.

WANG?
-yes, aku pentingkan wang, aku tak hipokrit about it!..
-But bukanlah maksudnya terlalu pentingkan wang, everything is money, NO. But we are underpaid.Doc union to urge Gov for slalary raise? the union is not as strong(and united) as teachers or even labourers union.
-kau ada sebut tentang financial freedom...boleh kata semua org nak kan financilal freedom. I don't have a financial freedom when I was in Gov service, as simple as that.


My sincere advise to u, if u do have a slight, a very minute doubt or uncertainty whether or not to jump back into medical school-----pls stay away. Buat benda lain.
Unless u are very sure, very commited---then go on.
Lagipun, Malaysia still need a lot, a lot of doc in the near future----so u shall fill the vacancy left by the doc like me!:nyorok:

cengkerang

thanks..good dose of reality. akan dipertimbangkan dalam2:hmm: ..so skrg dah ada clinic sendiri ke attach dgn pvt spital?

takde kata wang tak penting, idakla nak buat keje free..tapi goal nak jadi kaya melampau tu idakla, of course la nak hidup selesa..sapa taknak?

anyway, thanks again to all yg reply for the advices, encouragement and the reality-check..ada 3 bln nak pk betul2 nih..

an advice to the younglings yg bercita2 nak jadi dr..yg belum masuk dlm line ni, taking up medicine is risky, cases like mine is not rare, yg sangkut, tak dpt nak sambung for whatever reason, yg repeat yr byk2 kali, fail towards the end etc. if somehow along the way u don't get through, u end up with only with spm and not much that u can do..it can be very2 frustrating..after many yrs, umur dah makin naik, peers yg dulu2 kita yg mentor dah ada stable career etc. so my advice, consider doing a diploma dulu, xtra one yr je drpd matrix, at least with a diploma, kalau rasa taknak sambung leh terus keje, or sambung then unfortunately tak abis, at least you have a diploma to market yourself rather than back to spm..plus rasanya dgn system matrix skrg, susah nak dpt masuk medschool unless you're a consistent 4 flat student with excellent extra curricular activities..silap2 nanti main fill in je courses available, kalau dpt yg kena dgn jiwa ok..kalau yg tak, nanti belajar just for the sake of getting a degree, fullfillment takde..

paham ke? kalau tak paham tanya balik..nanti i'll try to simplify..hehe