susahnye nak kerja kerajaan...

cn7

Reply 100# izzreen


    Memang ada di kalangan freshies yang baru start kerje tak tahu buat kerje. But i dont totally blame them, sebab it depends on what their previous university teach them...apa penekanan yang diorang bagi time praktikal etc..

contohnya, in my hospital. baru2 ni we receive 5 new houseman graduated from university in Indonesia, tapi masa kat sana U diorang langsung tak ajar pasal klinikal or patient base care. University diorang tekankan tentang industri & kilang, and drug development.

tapi bila kerja kat hosp, sepatah benda pasal klinikal tak tau. definisi end stage renal failure pun tak tahu, ini kan pulak nak kaunsel patient pasal ubat...end up kitorang kena "mengajar' freshies ni...

so, sometimes its not them who dont know, but what is being taught...

but on our side, we're gonna write a letter to the Expert Board to give our feedback. Maybe those who graduated from there should be sent to enforcement or somewhere elase, setting tak kena...diorang bukan tak pandai, tapi belajar lain nak buat kerja lain.... cemana ?

izzreen

Reply 101# cn7


    lama2 nanti,pandai la diorg..mula2 mmg la mcm tu,kann..biasalah..

anizarina

Reply 101# cn7


rasanya..bab freshie tetaw apa2 or tetaw buat keje...kt mna2 pun sama..baik swasta or kerajaan..nk salah kan uni pun tak boleh jugak....sbb each course tuh ada dia punya penilaian dia..what subjek yg perlu etc..etc...

sbb nk harapkan time praktikal....blum tentu apa yg diperolehi sama dgn apa yg diharapkan..

rina ckp based on my experince..rina keje kt swasta je(IT side)...memang susah nk dapat graduan yg bebetul boleh buat kerja..sbb rina rasa rina tergolong dalam golongan yg sama..contohnya..masa belajar, kita guna language c++ lah, c lah ,java lah...tp itu basic .. org kata mcm lampu suluh laa utk guide kita sahaja..tp..bila masuk alam kerja nie...byk yg pakai c# (.net), j2ee bla..bla..so all those thing , kita yg sendiri kene tanya pakcik goole..kene blaja sendiri..kene willing to learn..masa blaja or pektikal...bila buat any procedure, takat join 4 -5 table..bila kerja...ada sampai 15 table nk kene join....

then masuk bab pektikal..sbb coy client rina nie..coy IT yg agak org tahu..so bebudak pektikal yg dtg sini..pk dpt trus join pojek besar2 lah...bila bg pojek kecik pun xsiap2..inikan pula nk join trus dalam pojek besar...adei....lagi satu, dapat pektikal yg tak de kene mengena dengan course..huh..so, tak de apa2 yg dia dapat lah sepanjang pektikal tuh.. huh

pokok pangkalnya..mmg laa kita nie fresh grad..so, kene lah ada sifat " willing to learn new thing" bila dh keje..jgn pk abes blaja tak payah stadi dh.huhu

cn7

Reply 102# izzreen


    in my setting, tak boleh. our mistake can cause lives, can cause death, can cause permanent disability.we cant afford to let the freshies "learn from their mistake."

so prevention is better. if they do not have a clinical background, and ada background kilang or industry, then send them to kilang. Time belajar tak pernah jumpa pesakit, bergelumang dengan ubat or bahan kimia jer, then let it be.

cn7

Reply 103# anizarina


   

baik swasta or kerajaan..nk salah kan uni pun tak boleh jugak....sbb each course tuh ada dia pun

i tak salah kan Uni, yang silap di sini is, they shouldnt send them to hospital setting. They should send them to other places, BPFK ker, enforcement ker...

my career pathway, once we have graduated, we have to serve the government for 4 years. terpaksa ker, paksa rela ker, we have no choice but to do our compulsory service with the goverment. Kalau tak, you tak boleh dapat lesen untuk practice.

so, the feedback i meant to send is to inform the Expert panel, in future, for those students graduated from these particular University, should be send to other settings, but not hospital, since they do not have a clinical background.

if we're to teach them about clinical, serupa masuk kelas balik. You need at least 3 semesters of classess, and 1 semester of clinical attachment untuk tau sikit sebanyak pasal klinikal. and benda ni tak boleh diajar dalam jangkamasa setahun masatime houseman diorang...

maybe other course its different, but in my line of work, no clinical background, stay out of hospital. Ni terminalogy medic pun you tak tahu, let alone the common abbreviation, apa kan pulak nak suggest ubat apa to patients.

medication error, prescribing error, dispensing error...semua ni cause life....

anizarina

Reply  izzreen


    in my setting, tak boleh. our mistake can cause lives, can cause death, can ...
cn7 Post at 21-1-2011 15:56

mcm ur bidang..klo sampai benda penting tak tau tuh, bahaya tuh..takkan samapi benda2 main tak tahu..sbb macam fresh grad it  klo html or algo2 pun tak tahu .. jem lah...rina pun geram.... sbb nk expect fresh grad tahu semua benda, mmg susah lah.. it is just my opinion...  

anizarina

Reply  anizarina


   

i tak salah kan Uni, yang silap di sini is, they shouldnt send them t ...
cn7 Post at 21-1-2011 16:05

haa..tuh yg rina maksudkan..klo benda2 penting dalam bidang yg kita nk keje pun tak tahu..jem lah...baik ajar budak baru..yer tak?mana2 org pun marah...

cn7

Reply 107# anizarina


    yes, exactly. Benda ni benda penting dalam cabang klinikal, tapi sebab klinikal is not in their coursework, so diorang tak belajar benda ni.... according to them, memang university ni ada offer clinical part, tapi JPA tak recognize their degree if diorang amik klinikal with this particular university. so diorang terpaksa amik yang industry...baru recognized.

ni kitorang tengah pening sama ada nak letak diorang dalam rota on call ke tak... walhal time on call ni la yang banyak emergency cases...

anizarina

Reply  anizarina


    yes, exactly. Benda ni benda penting dalam cabang klinikal, tapi sebab kl ...
cn7 Post at 21-1-2011 16:29

urm..if am ur patient..i pun tak nak org yg treat i macam ni... then derang buat kerja tak de ke superior yg monitor...?

cn7

Reply 109# anizarina


    Superior ada, sebab tu we have to put them under close watch. like every step yang diorang buat they have to report to us balik.watch under the microscope. But that is time consuming. patient bukan sorang dua. tu yang kitorang tengah pening how to go about, sebab this is the first time kitorang terima batch of houseman macam ni. sebab tu we all plan to feedback to the ministry & expert board.

for now, we dont let them work directly with patients. Not until diorang dah lepas OSCE, or few other assessment.

diorang start report for duty bulan oct. progress ada, slow la sebab mengajar basic 101.

anizarina

Reply  anizarina


    Superior ada, sebab tu we have to put them under close watch. like every  ...
cn7 Post at 21-1-2011 18:04

    huhu..umpama ajar budak baru belajar je laa..isk...

cn7

Reply 111# anizarina


    betul, sampai my boss cakap, you are paid to serve the public, not to become their lecturers...letih wooo...

tech_frix

kepada sume, saya nasihatkan sabar dan byk berusaha..
masa jawatan aku dulu, N41, pemohon ada dalam 20000 dan kekosongan hanya 1 sahaja..
just imagine la mcm mana pressure..
tp kalau dh nama rezeki kita tu, pasti ada..
skrg ni korg try kerja mana2 dulu..
dapatkan pengalaman dulu then baru masuk gomen..peace..

dewina

holaaaaa sume...

Saya nak tumpang tanye bg pihak kwn saya...dia keje gomen da nak masuk 2 taun,lom confirm lagi tapi jawatan tetap la..
Dia tanye kalo nak resign dari gomen ni leh ke bagi notis 24jam?atau kene bagi notis sebulan?
Hrp kengkwn dapat bg pandangan utk saya sampaikan pd kwn saya tu..
Saya da nasihatkan dia tp dia kate nak resign gak & dia akan join keje swasta (company lama dia sebelum join gomen)....
Tq

matrik02

"Fresh graduate baru masuk kerja tak leh buat kerja." Kalau imbas kembali, biasanya saya pasti waktu mereka dulu pun, baru masuk kerja pun masih terkial-kial, Bila sudah 2-3 tahun dah dapat sikit bolehlaa cakap mcm tu. You pun dulu waktu baru masuk kerja mcm itu juga, takkan you lupa .

dewina

"Fresh graduate baru masuk kerja tak leh buat kerja." Kalau imbas kembali, biasanya saya pasti waktu ...
matrik02 Post at 23-1-2011 15:12

dlm kes kwn saya ni pulak,dia bukan fresh graduate..
Dia da bertaun keje private sebelum join gomen..
Mungkin dia lebih sesuai keje private kot...

mawarputih2612

klu fresh grad, better keje swasta dulu
len la keje doktor
sbb kt swasta ko blajar sumer bnda, bbanding ngn gov ni spesifik keje tu jer

tgk bdk2 muda keje gov ni, lemau nyer
syukur dulu pernah keje swasta, so sikit2 keje swasta sy apply kt gov
tapi bukan senang nak berubah drastik gitu jer
lagi2 bila anak2 buah dh bpuluh tahun dh keje gov, mind set tak nak (dan tak akan) berubah

susah mmg susah tp sy slow2 buat
sambil lawak buat kawan, sy tegur jgk

susah jgk la klu kita ni jenis nak keje siap yg tbaik, tp org bawah buat keje asal siap
bukan la saya nak perfect ke pe, tapi at least kita berusaha nak buat terbaik

klu boleh sy nak tiap sen gaji dorg terima tu dikira, berkat ke tak dgn sumbangan dorg
tiap2 kali chair meeting sy repeat bnda ni
tp tula, susah nak ubah org ni

mawarputih2612

Reply 20# zaidi_jb


    respek dgn u
klu boleh nak bkawan ngn u, nak blajar mcamne u handle jabatan u

aritu i down jgk, rs nak resign pun ada
rasa nak join bdn bkanun jer (lhdn ker)
tp bila teringat byk lagi amanah perlu dipikul ni, berbanding gaji dh d terima, terhenti jap angan2 tu

cn7

Reply 118# mawarputih2612


Kak,
dari segi staffing, ada beza ke kualiti fully govt, semi govt or badan berkanun ni?

saya pun tak tahu la how my boss did (she's a lady boss la), but she did very well...

nak kata diktator sangat pun tak, nak kata lembut sangat pun tak...

secukup rasa la kot

mawarputih2612

Reply 119# cn7


    motif panggil aku akak

adik,
sebenarnya tak kira la fully gov ke, half gov ker, kualiti kerja tgk saper yg jd pemimpin dan saper jd anak buah.........
kalau dua2 sanggup berubah, mmg boleh jadi d best la


mcm gov, klu pemimpin jenis kuat hati nak buat perubahan dan pandai tackle anak buah, senang jer.
mcm aku ni, cepat putus asa, rasa tak koser

tak silap,
gov ni ambik staf dr spa
bdn bkanun ambik staf sndiri

bdn bkanun der bonus, tgk byk tak income (makin rajin keje, byk la income)
gov ni harapkan bonus kerajaan jer (btahun dh tak mrasa bonus ni..... insentif kewangan adalah last year. rm500 jer)