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INDONESIA - defence and military issues (PART IV-R.P.9]
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Reply 1280# Vympel77
I didnt start this. I will only respond in kind or in a similar manner and i will point out all the obvious defects, illusions and put a particular country in its rightful place in this world; embarassing though it may be for that country. But Ill end this for now. |
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I didnt start this. I will only respond in kind or in a similar manner and i will point out all the obvious defects, illusions and put a particular country in its rightful place in this world; embarassing though it may be for that country. But Ill end this for now.
belacan79 Post at 7-11-2011 11:02 
Yeah......MR. RIGHT is here.
Look at the mirror while you said that..... |
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Post Last Edit by belacan79 at 7-11-2011 14:22
Reply 1282# Flatyre
Yeah....minimum is for us not for your sinking island. Don't worry about our economy, start worry about your export slump
Im not worried at all about your economy. And what a cheap shot that is - we're sinking. Our economy is very resilient. It can survive shocks easily. We are not like you who have to ask for assistance from organizations like the IMF. We grew 14% last year after the recession the year before. Thats how resilient we are. Our unemployment rate is a constant 1.5-2.5%. How many Indonesians are unemployed huh? 7% or more. Thats like how many tens of millions? Seriously, you are comparing apples to lemons here. Youre the lemon.
Failed economics 101. Go study harder, GDP is a sum of all economy activities in a country.
Indonesia is a 3rd world country?......Indonesia GDP percapita is above $3000. We are already entering an emerging market country. Another failed in economics. Don't be so proud about your developed tiny island coz it has only a quarter of indonesia economy even indonesia still in the first level of emerging market. Your developed tiny island is not on the short list in world economy now or in the future. Wake up, 2012 is near. It's not 1998 anymore.
Are you dumb or stupid? Your per cap is a meazly $3000. Developed nations like Singapore is in excess of $ 40,000. And no, Singapore receives more investments than indonesia silly and/or one of the largest in Asean. For a developed nation, thats outstanding. The person who should wake up is you.
Read this and 2009 was recession year dummy : http://www.buletinonline.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2160:malaysia-attracted-less-investment-than-the-philippines&catid=54:statement
So again, does mighty indonesia receives foreign aid? Have you settled your foreign debt? We can carry on like this forever. You dont compare lemons to apples or oranges. Youre in the 3rd world.
And there is a guarantee if your gov use CPF and EPF won't failed right? Maybe you should checked how much your gov invest your CPF in indonesia, the 3rd world country, to make some money so the gov able to pay pension? ......hahahaha.
You should know that US economy turmoil is not over yet. 1950-1960 is the age of baby booming in the US. In the near future this baby booming will reach their pension age. Go figure out how much US must provide $$$. Don't be so secure.
You dummy. CPF investments are invested in safe investments with guaranteed long term returns. The government is obliged to give everyone the returns and the original sum. We have sovereign wealth funds to invest in risker investments - Temasek Holdings in worth $180-200 billion now. GIC is worth $300-400 billion. And Im not even talking about our foreign and current exchange reserves. We wont go hungry Indon. You will. Tell me. How many tens of millions of Indons are living under the poverty line and on it? Last i checked, at least 14% are living under the poverty line. Wow..thats a whopping 30+ plus million under the poverty line. And possibly just as many or more on the poverty line - 60-70 million or more?
I dont like to put down others as I consider most people friends. But it seems like you like to keep shooting yourself. |
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Reply 1286# viewx
Indonesian is the best industry military for asean
malaysia, singapore n laen2 jangan malu ya beli senjata dari indo
silakan pilih
Dont embarrass yourself pak cik. Let me give you some cold hard facts:
http://www.defensenews.com/static/features/top100/charts/rank_2009.php
Where is Indonesia? Where is your PT Pindad? Who is boasting now? By the way, this chart measures defence expenditures and revenue only. ST's revenue from defence is only 38%. If you include commercial products, ST'size would have been even larger. |
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Reply viewx
Dont embarrass yourself pak cik. Let me give you some cold hard facts:
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belacan79 Post at 7-11-2011 14:19
You want to talk what's up, now we build the strongest in the asean military industry, and it's not a dream, now many countries buying our military products |
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Reply Flatyre
Im not worried at all about your economy. And what a cheap shot that is - w ...
belacan79 Post at 7-11-2011 14:11
I will answer the question you?
1. Our debt is paid off with the IMF
2. Many rich people of Indonesia are also investing in singapore
3. Indonesia's most stable economies in asean and the most powerful
4. Singapore's only hope to investors and other state resources to support the country, I can not imagine it will all be gone |
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Submarine Karya Arek ITS
Sejumlah mahasiswa Fakultas Teknologi Kelautan Institut Teknologi Sepuluh November Surabaya (ITS) sedang menggarap Kapal Perang Crocodile-Hydrofoil di Laboratorium Hidrodinamika, Selasa (1/11/2011)
SURABAYA, KOMPAS.com- Institut Teknologi Sepuluh Nopember Surabaya membuat kapal selam yang diberi nama Kapal Perang Crocodile-Hydroffoil. Saat ini pembuatan baru mencapai sekitar 20 persen berupa penyiapan dua mesin kembar diesel Mitsubishi 6D40T dengan kapasitas masing-masing 350 PK serta pembuatan mal atau contoh badan kapal sesuai ukuran.
"Pembuatan kapal selam ini menggunakan dana program insentif riset dari Kementerian Pendidikan dan Kebudayaan," kata Kepala Laboratorium Hidrodinamika Fakultas Teknik Kelautan Institut Sepuluh Nopember Surabaya Wisnu Wardhana, Selasa (1/11/2011) di Surabaya.
Alokasi dananya mencapai Rp 3 miliar yang disampaikan selama tiga tahun antara 2011-2013 atau setiap tahun sebesar Rp 1 miliar.
Menurut Wisnu, Kapal Perang Crocodile-Hidrofoil merupakan yang pertama di Indonesia. "Kapal selam ini kombinasi dari tiga fungsi, yaitu untuk kapal hidrofoil yang melayang hanya bagian sayap yang menyentuh permukaan air, kemudian fungsi kapal permukaan, dan fungsi kapal selam dengan kedalaman 5-7 meter," kata Wisnu.
Dijadwalkan, kapal ini selesai tahun 2013. Lokasi uji coba di Selat Madura.
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Reply eltoro
We bought over Timoney. Everybody knows that. And what a strategic and good busi ... it was as Terrex is miles ahead of your Anoa which looks like a contraption from the soviet era. We have plenty of other home made IFVs as well.
belacan79 Post at 7-11-2011 08:15
hahahaha...you bought timoney it means terrex made by timoney ireland not sinkapork...nothing to proud about
at least anoa made by indon while terrex made by ireland.....your IFV also made by western only assembling plant in sinkapork |
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Reply eltoro
Silly indon, our occasional floods are baby floods and miniscule and nothing compa ...
belacan79 Post at 7-11-2011 08:24
we have 17.500 islands if we lost 500 we still have 17000 islands
if your pathetic tiny island sinking where you gonna stay ? |
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Asia-Pacific
Indonesia to increase military spending
Move to boost defence budget by 35 per cent seen as bid to balance China's growing military in Southeast Asia.
The Indonesian government has said it will increase its defence budget by 35 per cent next year, in a step which is seen as helping to balance China's growing military strength in the region.
video available at this link.. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/as ... 11752946225190.html |
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Post Last Edit by wongedandotcom2 at 8-11-2011 10:58
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Imbangi china, tahun depan defence budget naik 35%
Nov 07, 2011 (Al Jazeera - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) --
The Indonesian government has said it will increase its defence budget by 35 per cent next year, in a step which is seen as helping to balance China's growing military strength in the region.
Indonesia has the largest army in Southeast Asia, but its equipment is often outdated and dangerous, so the upgrade is seen as necessary. The machines that make ammunition in the nation's weapon factories currently date back to 1938.
In 2005 the US lifted a six-year weapons embargo that had been imposed after alleged human-rights abuses. That embargo, and a tight military budget, were the main reasons behind why the equipment was never renewed.
Al Jazeera's Step Vaessen reports from Jakarta.
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_st ... 429-1550caf3ed53%7D |
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Analis: Kapal Selam Terbaru Indonesia Akan Dilengkapi SM-39 Exocet
INDONESIA IS to decide on the supplier of up to three submarines for its Navy by the end of 2011. South Korea and Germany-Turkey are currently the leading contenders for a contract worth USD1.1 billion. The purchase is to replace the two archaic Type-209/1300 diesel-electric boats acquired from Germany in 1981.
Some argue that Jakarta’s bid goes beyond mere modernisation and points more to a naval build-up. The Indonesian government has stipulated the need for at least six to twelve submarines to attain the “minimum essential forces” by 2029. It is still questionable though whether these submarines would bolster the Navy’s undersea arm as modernisation often proves to be cosmetic.
Troubled Bids
Submarine procurement has already been in the Navy’s wish-list since 2005, when it unveiled the “Green-Water-Navy” blueprint. But, tender processes have been frequently postponed, citing financial reasons. The last one saw the Navy opting for Russian Kilo-and Amur-class subs, but was shelved as Indonesia was unable to commit a 15% down payment. The current process started last year, with Russia, France, Germany, and South Korea as bidders. In mid-2011, the Navy disqualified Russia’s Kilo and Germany’s U-209, leaving only South Korea’s Type 209/1200 Chang Bogo and France’s Scorpene.
Analysts are divided on the reason for disqualification. Some argue that Jakarta prefers smaller boats, for which the Kilos/Amurs are ill-suited. Others recall that Russia and Germany were too late in submitting their proposals. In general, many believe that Jakarta already has its eyes on Seoul’s offer of three boats, as compared to France’s two, for the same amount of money.
Nevertheless, Germany re-entered the bid through Turkey to offer its U-209 and since then has emerged as the second strongest bidder. But despite Turkey’s deal, which includes a “sweetener” of one additional boat for lease, its offer of only two boats does not entice Jakarta. Furthermore, Indonesia already has 30 years of cooperation with Seoul ranging from building its patrol and amphibious assault ships to refitting its Cakra submarines. IHS Jane’s also reports that Seoul would get eight Indonesian CN-235 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) in exchange for two Chang Bogos.
The issue of whether Indonesia is going to use an air-independent propulsion (AIP) system, which permits a submarine to submerge longer, remains hazy. But even a modest offer to install Korea’s Chang Bogo with a flank array sonar system, which enables longer range detection and localisation of targets, was dismissed for financial reasons. Thus, an AIP system may be unlikely at present, though it is not impossible in a better fiscal climate, because not only would it raise unit cost, but AIP-submarines would also be too expensive for the Navy to maintain and operate.
However, for the first time Indonesian subs will be armed with anti-ship cruise missiles, possibly with the SM-39 Exocet, while still relying on the locally-manufactured torpedoes as it does on the Cakras. The local naval shipyard, PT. PAL, is involved in the technology transfer scheme in the deal. The first two boats will be built at the Korean dockyards, while the third at PT. PAL’s. But with such a small number, Jakarta is unlikely to master submarine technology anytime soon, as it ideally requires dozens of boats and decades of operational experience.
Historical Lessons
History shows that Jakarta is still a long way off to effectively translate naval hardware into warfare, especially submarine warfare. The latter puts enormous strains on crew training and requires high technological literacy to maintain stealth, yet must still wreak havoc on the enemy. Failing this, a submarine is just a vulnerable tin can at sea, although a well-manned submarine fitted only with modest technology could still be a potent threat for surface warships. The sinking of South Korean corvette Cheon An by a North Korean midget submarine is one example.
Indonesia started to operate submarines in early 1960s with twelve Whiskey¬-class boats acquired as part of Soviet military aid. The boats were immediately put into action against the Dutch West Guinea in 1961-1962, and against Malaysia and British Commonwealth forces during Konfrontasi (Confrontation) in 1963-1966. However, these boats, by themselves, were of limited utility as an offensive platform. Following a diplomatic freeze with Moscow in mid-1960s, Jakarta gradually phased out the Whiskeys.
A rapprochement with the West gave it another opportunity to revamp military hardware. In 1981, Indonesia purchased two Type-209/1300 (Cakra-class) boats from West Germany, which are still in service.
Undersea Ambitions
Jakarta’s naval planners seem to learn from history. A joint submarine exercise with the United States, Singapore and South Korea is being planned and expected to be finalised by early 2012. Obviously, the exercise is to familiarise Jakarta with the latest doctrinal and operational trends in submarine warfare in anticipation of operating the new subs. At least, Jakarta can portray a higher degree of resolve to countries questioning or disputing its maritime territorial claims.
China’s growing assertiveness in the South China Sea and a dispute with Malaysia over Ambalat waters off East Kalimantan helped propel naval modernisation forward. Jakarta recently increased its military procurement budget by 35% to IDR64.4 trillion (USD7.5 billion) in 2012. With this purse, it should have more to spend on its naval shopping spree.
As more submarines proliferate in and around Southeast Asia, Jakarta’s build-up is only part of the picture. IHS Jane’s forecasts that by 2020, Southeast Asia will have at least 13 submarines, with Thailand, Vietnam, and the Philippines recently joining the race. This could lead regional navies to invest more in anti-submarine warfare assets. As the best platform to hunt a submarine is also a submarine, Jakarta’s bid seems to be justified.
Ristian Atriandi Supriyanto is a research analyst with the Maritime Security Programme at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University. He is also a former researcher at the Centre for East Asian Cooperation Studies (CEACoS), University of Indonesia.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/081 ... a-buildup-analysis/ |
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Post time 7-11-2011 11:02 AM
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