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still no reply from gb...maybe busy i think ..never mind....i wait
hakikatnya lucifer awal malaikat tapi rebelled against GOD
tapi saya masih tidak faham kenapa allah cipta jinn baik dan jahat the allah all knowing....sebab dlm Bible semua elok aja tidak ada jahat di cipta...
boleh kamu terangkan atau kamu sendiri keliru tentang ciptaan allah??
saya menunggu dgn penuh hormat |
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sam1528 posted on 21-11-2013 10:05 PM 
See folks how 'truth.8' runs away from his own argument. The 2 contention that he cannot answer
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The Bible so prefect that it also explained about dinosaurs. The name mentioned in Bible: | Name and date first written in the Bible | Scientific Name (best estimate) and date the name appeared | | tanniyn (dragon) | before 1400 BC | dinosaur | 1841 AD | | behemoth | before 1400 BC | brachiosaurus | 1903 AD | | Leviathan | before 1400 BC | kronosaurus | 1901 AD
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1. Besides , it also explained how GOD create light via HIS source and energy. Since the earth was dark, GOD by HIS power showing a meaning for us to think that by HIS power the living things such as plants alive via HIS light (1 John 1:5) no need any source . Than creations beings with others sun and etc…
2. GOD create all good in beginning that include Angles…nothing was evil or bad. It was Lucifer choice to rebelled against God,it was cast out. It was lucifer and his gangs to choose that way.
3. God is spirit. The Holy Spirit is the very nature, presence and expression of God's power actively working in His servants. ". . .'Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the LORD of hosts"(Zechariah 4:6). Thru HIS spirit and Yesus all living thingswas created. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth " (Gen. 1:1, New International
Version). Most people assume there was one Great Being who planned and did the creating. But the word "God" in Hebrew is Elohim, it means Mighty Ones. There was more than one Creator !
Gen. 1:26 says : "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness. . . .(NIV). Some people think God was
talking to the angels, if this was so, the angels were co-creators of man and man was made in the image of angels. But this is not what the Bible teaches.
Plural pronouns are used three times in the verse, this
proves that must have been more than One Member in the
Elohim Creating Team. Since man was made like Elohim,
Elohim Members have human-like faces and shapes !
So, how many God-persons were there creating the
universe and the earth ?
The Bible always explains itself.
The first verse of the Gospel of John tells us : "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God" {NIV). This verse is so wonderful and
powerful yet so simple ; before the creation there existed a
Being called the Word, He existed side by side with another
Being who was simply called God and this same Word was
in the same status as God, He was God as God was God !
Hence, God , Jesus and Angles all explained in a simple texts as above but one question that ponder me till today: Why allah all knowing create jinn good and bad??? How the earth made in beginning . Does sun create first? This what muslims need to ponder if they getting such source /info from reliable or it was written by hand or vice verses…
Conclusion: The Bible is best Book if one were to read with open heart. Praise the Lord , Amen
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Truth.8 posted on 22-11-2013 11:34 AM
The Bible so prefect that it also explained about dinosaurs. The name mentioned in Bible: | Name and date first written in the Bible | Scientific Name (best estimate) and date the name appeared | | tanniyn (dragon) | before 1400 BC | dinosaur | 1841 AD | | behemoth | before 1400 BC | brachiosaurus | 1903 AD | | Leviathan | before 1400 BC | kronosaurus | 1901 AD
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1. Besides , it also explained how GOD create light via HIS source and energy. Since the earth was dark, GOD by HIS power showing a meaning for us to think that by HIS power the living things such as plants alive via HIS light (1 John 1:5) no need any source . Than creations beings with others sun and etc…
2. GOD create all good in beginning that include Angles…nothing was evil or bad. It was Lucifer choice to rebelled against God,it was cast out. It was lucifer and his gangs to choose that way.
3. God is spirit. The Holy Spirit is the very nature, presence and expression of God's power actively working in His servants. ". . .'Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the LORD of hosts"(Zechariah 4:6). Thru HIS spirit and Yesus all living thingswas created. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth " (Gen. 1:1, New International
Version). Most people assume there was one Great Being who planned and did the creating. But the word "God" in Hebrew is Elohim, it means Mighty Ones. There was more than one Creator !
Gen. 1:26 says : "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness. . . .(NIV). Some people think God was
talking to the angels, if this was so, the angels were co-creators of man and man was made in the image of angels. But this is not what the Bible teaches.
Plural pronouns are used three times in the verse, this
proves that must have been more than One Member in the
Elohim Creating Team. Since man was made like Elohim,
Elohim Members have human-like faces and shapes !
So, how many God-persons were there creating the
universe and the earth ?
The Bible always explains itself.
The first verse of the Gospel of John tells us : "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God" {NIV). This verse is so wonderful and
powerful yet so simple ; before the creation there existed a
Being called the Word, He existed side by side with another
Being who was simply called God and this same Word was
in the same status as God, He was God as God was God !
Hence, God , Jesus and Angles all explained in a simple texts as above but one question that ponder me till today: Why allah all knowing create jinn good and bad??? How the earth made in beginning . Does sun create first? This what muslims need to ponder if they getting such source /info from reliable or it was written by hand or vice verses…
Conclusion: The Bible is best Book if one were to read with open heart. Praise the Lord , Amen
Yawn , this is so boring. 'truth.8' cannot answer any questions but continue to repeat himself like an overgrown parrot. You don't have the resources to reply? Appears so. My answer to your repeated copy paste per my post #118
The 2 contentions that you are running away from :
- the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
- who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
You appealed to joh1:1 in your justification of the biblical God? So how many Gods are there? You stated :
before the creation there existed a
Being called the Word, He existed side by side with another
Being who was simply called God and this same Word was
in the same status as God
Existing side by side or with God doesn't make it to be God. You are just speculating that existence with God means the entity is God. This is unlearned assumption.
Why allah all knowing create jinn good and bad??? How the earth made in beginning . Does sun create first? This what muslims need to ponder if they getting such source /info from reliable or it was written by hand or vice verses…
Allah created jinns with the attribute of having 'nafs' like human beings. They follow their 'nafs' hence they either end up being be good or bad. What is so difficult to understand? However it is impossible to understand why the biblical God created angels with having 'nafs'. All you have done so far to to tell a long tale of how the so called 'lucifer' rebelled against God. However you did not explain why your biblical God created angels with 'nafs' or how these so called angels came to having 'nafs'. The gall of it you are asking us muslims the same question that you have been avioding to answer. You are scared , aren't you?
The creation of the universe in the Quran is inline science (unlike the bible , vegetation/ earth was created first then the sun) : quran79:27-30 (sahih international)
27. Are you a more difficult creation or is the heaven? Allah constructed it.
28. He raised its ceiling and proportioned it.
29. And He darkened its night and extracted its brightness.
30. And after that He spread the earth.
It is very clear , the heavens (in this case the universe) was created first. For our galaxy , the sun and earth (planets) were created ,ie. having day and night. Lastly the earth was populated (or 'spread the earth'). All in scientific sequence.
Conclusion: The Bible is best Book if one were to read with open heart.
Praise the Lord , Amen
Translation : To read the bible one need to leave behind logic and reason in order to blindly believe the scientific contradiction (eg. vegetation was created first then the sun)
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Truth.8 posted on 22-11-2013 11:32 AM
still no reply from gb...maybe busy i think ..never mind....i wait
HAHAHAHAHHAH.. soalan saya yang diberi dari mula thread ini pun kamu tidak jawab. mari saya quote :
lol
nope. not the same. The jinn, in Islamic point of view, have nafs, or nafsu. That's why they can and have to make choices.
Are you telling us that the angels, according to Christianity, have nafsu?
and I asked 3 question BASED ON YOUR OWN STATEMENT AND THAT VIDEO OF YOURS. Let me quote it again, in case you missed (or sengaja lari) :
video tu cakap
1. Malaikat SEMUA LELAKI -- ini sudah di jawab. Thank you for the answer. harap kau tak pusing2 dgn jawapan kepada soalan ini.
2. Malaikat datang kepada MANUSIA PEREMPUAN DAN KEMUDIAN DAPAT ANAK. - BELUM TERJAWAB OLEH TRUTH.8
3. Anak2 ini adalah 'imighty men' or 'men of reknowned'. - BELUM TERJAWAB OLEH TRUTH.8
Nah, video tu sendiri cakap mende ni. Macam mana malaikat boleh datang ke perempuan dari golongan manusia kemudian tiba2 ada anak pulak? Video tu salah ke, macam mana? (rujuk minit ke 2:30 onwards kat dalam video yang Truth.8 on post #61)
btw, dalam video tu kata, Lucifer turned away from God because of HIS PRIDE. He have REBELLION IN HIS HEART.
Now, PRIDE TU DATANG DARI MANA? Adakah SEMUA MALAIKAT BOLEH ADA PRIDE?????
Jangan lari @ tukar topic pulak, OK Truth.8? Jawab yang atas tu dulu, sebab itu semua dARI VIDEO YANG KAU SURUH AKU TENGOK + DARI STATEMENT KAU SENDIRI..
Pride tu datang dari mana? Adakah malaikat boleh ada pride? What about the current angels? Can the current angels have pride? Can there be another 'Lucifer' up in the heaven? IF yes, why? If NO, why?
Jawab dulu soalan saya, ok? Bagi kami faham tentang konsep malaikat kamu, baru kami terangkan konsep jin kami. btw, MALAIKAT BOLEH ADA REBELLION DAN KEINGINAN UNTUK MEMBERONTAK???
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gunblade712 posted on 22-11-2013 12:42 PM
HAHAHAHAHHAH.. soalan saya yang diberi dari mula thread ini pun kamu tidak jawab. mari saya quote ... Gb, are you sure understand what i wrote? it seems your brain getting worst from day to day.
let me refresh your mind....
Ealier I mentioned that, I do not take the video as the source but I do believed in the youtube as angles is lelaki...as women or ada anak....I do not buy such stories...it is his view not mine....understand ? or u need me to write in chinese?
your post #66 :
lagi2 nak tunjuk kebodohan ...bodoh atau pura2
have u watch video? i doubt
If you do not take it as source, then why the heck do you link that video on post #61 and asked me whether I've watched it or not? You posted it, and when I asked about the vid, you say you do not take the video as source. Berbelit betul apa yang kau cakap ni. 
video tu cakap
1. Malaikat SEMUA LELAKI -- ini sudah di jawab. Thank you for the answer. harap kau tak pusing2 dgn jawapan kepada soalan ini.
2. Malaikat datang kepada MANUSIA PEREMPUAN DAN KEMUDIAN DAPAT ANAK. - BELUM TERJAWAB OLEH TRUTH.8
3. Anak2 ini adalah 'imighty men' or 'men of reknowned'. - BELUM TERJAWAB OLEH TRUTH.8
Nah, video tu sendiri cakap mende ni. Macam mana malaikat boleh datang ke perempuan dari golongan manusia kemudian tiba2 ada anak pulak? Video tu salah ke, macam mana? (rujuk minit ke 2:30 onwards kat dalam video yang Truth.8 on post #61)
btw, dalam video tu kata, Lucifer turned away from God because of HIS PRIDE. He have REBELLION IN HIS HEART.
Now, PRIDE TU DATANG DARI MANA? Adakah SEMUA MALAIKAT BOLEH ADA PRIDE?????
Pride tu datang dari mana? Adakah malaikat boleh ada pride? What about the current angels? Can the current angels have pride? Can there be another 'Lucifer' up in the heaven? IF yes, why? If NO, why?
'Pride' dan 'Arrogance' itu semua terduduk di dalam 'nafsu'. Bila kami tanya 'Malaikat ada nafsu?' ini pun KAMU TIDAK JAWAB.
belit lah kamu ni Truth.8! Where does 'ARROGANCE' comes from? Macam mana Lucifer/Cherub the angel boleh ada arrogance and pride TIBA2???
我只是说我不带源的视频，但我相信的YouTube角度男人i妇女或有阿纳
Sorry, I don't know Chinese. Nampak gayanya, kamu tu tahu bahasa Cina. Mungkin kamulah yang mix blood yang kamu dok kata2kan tu. Konon2 mata besar, tapi sebenarnya..... 
Now my question:
Why your allah all knowing create jinn good and bad???
I am waiting penuh harapan
This question can be answered but IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD. Tapi kami akan jawab, SELEPAS KAMU JAWAB SOALAN KAMI YANG KAMI DOK TANYA DARI FIRST PAGE tapi kamu TERLALU TAKUT UNTUK JAWAB :
Adakah MALAIKAT MEMPUNYAI PRIDE/ARROGANCE dan DARI MANA DATANGNYA PRIDE/ARROGANCE TU??
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sam1528 posted on 22-11-2013 06:03 PM
This is really funny. We now see 'truth.8' the biggest ular in this forum trying his best not to a ... The 2 contentions that you are running away from :
- the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
- who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
True that. Bro, please insert my questions into these, making it 3 contentions that he's running away from :
3. Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
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gunblade712 posted on 22-11-2013 06:07 PM
True that. Bro, please insert my questions into these, making it 3 contentions that he's runni ...
No problem bro ....
'truth.8' - more like 'pondan tua' , the total 3 contentions you have been running away from in this thread
(1) the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
(2) who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
(3) Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
Lets all see how brave you are in trying to address the issues. My guess , you will run again and again and again ..... poor you .... the story of your life
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sam1528 posted on 22-11-2013 06:03 PM
This is really funny. We now see 'truth.8' the biggest ular in this forum trying his best not to a ...
hmmm muslims running away again...is common for muslims...hiding ....
allah create jinn good and bad....why ur all knowing allah need to do such?
do jinn has feelings? do jinn sex and produced babies?? married? unseen? in what form? spirit form??
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gunblade712 posted on 22-11-2013 06:03 PM
your post #66 : Adakah MALAIKAT MEMPUNYAI PRIDE/ARROGANCE dan DARI MANA DATANGNYA PRIDE/ARROGANCE TU??
adakah ibis jinn mempunyai niat jahat?? dari mana dtg niat jahat ini??
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Truth.8 posted on 22-11-2013 07:59 PM
hmmm muslims running away again...is common for muslims...hiding ....
allah create jinn good and bad....why ur all knowing allah need to do such?
do jinn has feelings? do jinn sex and produced babies?? married? unseen? in what form? spirit form??
Ha ha , in the end , this is actually what you are ..... a troll.
Your arguments are so easily defeated and answered. You don't seem to have any more resources left to respond. This is what happen to Christians like you who argue against Islam by referring to 'answering Islam' and / or 'faithfreedom'. Don't you think you should at least read more from scholarly sources?
The answer to your questions in post#128. At least be man enough to counter challenge instead of repeated whining like a 'pondan tua'.
The 3 contentions you have been running away from in this thread
(1) the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
(2) who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
(3) Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
Lets see how brave you are ....
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gunblade712 posted on 22-11-2013 06:03 PM
your post #66 : Adakah MALAIKAT MEMPUNYAI PRIDE/ARROGANCE dan DARI MANA DATANGNYA PRIDE/ARROGANCE TU??
Do Angels Love or Have Feelings? I'm sure there are others who know more verses to verify angels have feelings, but this may be a good starting point...
JOY
"Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of Godover one sinner who repents."
Luke 15:10
When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7
WORSHIP
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let allthe angels of God worship Him."
Hebrews 1:6
CURIOSITY
To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they wereministering the things which now have been reported to you through those whohave preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--thingswhich angels desire to look into.
1 Peter 1.12
PRIDE
"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn!You have been cut down to the earth. You who have weakened the nations! “ Butyou said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne abovethe stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses ofthe north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myselflike the Most High.’
Isaiah 14:12-14
*1/3 of the angels who followed Lucifer were prideful, too
" Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted yourwisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid youbefore kings, That they might gaze at you.
Ezekiel 28.17
FEAR (in fallen angels: demons)
So the demons begged Him, saying, "If You cast us out, permit us to goaway into the herd of swine.
Matthew 8:31
And he cried out with a loud voice and said, "What have I to do with You,Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God that You do not tormentme."
Mark 5:7And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God." (Revelation 7:11) Here it is clear that angels can worship. Now, worship springs from emotion: It can spring from no other place.
"And, behold, they (the demons in the Gergesene demoniac) cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? " ( Matthew 8:29) "And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs. When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man." ( Luke 8:27-29a) Here it is revealed that demons (who are fallen angels) clearly fear. This is confirmed by the words the Holy Spirit gave James: "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (Greek δαιμόνια, demons, fallen angels) also believe, and tremble." ( James 2:19)
" Unto whom (the prophets) it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into." ( 1 Peter 1:12) That latter clause indicates angels have desires.
"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment." ( 2 Peter 2:4) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." ( Jude 1:6) Here it is revealed that angels have volition, for some chose to sin and sin requires volition. Thus they have their own freedom of will and can decide for or against God's will. Volition requires emotion and emotion requires volition. If one is to have free will, one must have the ability to desire one end or another.
So, from verses about angels in general and bad angels in particular we can safely conclude that they are creatures with the capacity for emotion. Applying that principle, then, we can (I believe safely) assume that the verses with which I began this post can also be interpreted not from the semantically literal standpoint that those who believe angels do not have emotion base their belief on, but from the comparitive basis by which ALL scripture must be interpreted. Thus, I hold with the belief that angels indeed have emotion, along with will.
I hope this helps.
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sam1528 posted on 22-11-2013 10:23 PM
Ha ha , in the end , this is actually what you are ..... a troll.
Your arguments are so easily ...
Why on earth ur allah need to create the unseen thing which is jinn with nafsu when human in flesh is good enough??? does the jinn have sex and produced babies ? 
another question, does iblis n syaitan also jinn??? the unseen things which jinn where are they?
I tunggu jawapan dgn penuh harapan dan sabar
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gunblade712 posted on 22-11-2013 06:07 PM
True that. Bro, please insert my questions into these, making it 3 contentions that he's runni ...
Super packaged explanation for Muslims not able to understand God created the earth , feelings, dinsaours, God and Angels beings, Gender....Read on
The Bible so prefect that it also explained about dinosaurs. The name mentioned in Bible:
Name and date first written in the Bible
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Scientific Name (best estimate) and date the name appeared
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tanniyn (dragon)
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before 1400 BC
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dinosaur
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1841 AD
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behemoth
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before 1400 BC
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brachiosaurus
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1903 AD
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Leviathan
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before 1400 BC
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kronosaurus
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1901 AD
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1. Besides , it also explained how GOD create light via HIS source and energy. Since the earth was dark, GOD by HIS power showing a meaning for us to think that by HIS power the living things such as plants alive via HIS light (1 John 1:5) no need any source . Than creations beings with others sun and etc…2. GOD create all good in beginning that includeAngles…nothing was evil or bad. It was Lucifer choice to rebelled against God,it was cast out. It was lucifer and his gangs to choose that way. 3. Godis spirit. TheHoly Spirit is the very nature, presence and expression of God'spower actively working in His servants. ". . .'Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit,'says the LORD of hosts"(Zechariah 4:6). Thru HIS spirit and Yesus all living thingswas created. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth " (Gen. 1:1, New International
Version). Most people assume there was one Great Being who planned and did the creating. But the word "God" in Hebrew is Elohim, it means MightyOnes. There was more than one Creator !
Gen. 1:26 says : "Let US make man in OUR image, in OURlikeness. . . .(NIV). Some people think God was
talking to the angels, if this was so, the angels were co-creators of man andman was made in the image of angels. But this is not what the Bible teaches.
Plural pronouns are used three times in the verse, this
proves that must have been more than One Member in the
Elohim Creating Team. Since man was made like Elohim,
Elohim Members have human-like faces and shapes !
So, how many God-persons were there creating the
universe and the earth ?
The Bible always explains itself.
The first verse of the Gospel of John tells us : "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God" {NIV). This verse is so wonderful and
powerful yet so simple ; before the creation there existed a
Being called the Word, He existed side by side with another
Being who was simply called God and this same Word was
in the same status as God, He was God as God was God ! Hence, God , Jesus and Angles all explained in a simple texts as abovebut one question that ponder me till today: Whyallah all knowing create jinn good and bad??? How the earth made in beginning .Does sun create first? This what muslims needto ponder if they getting such source /info from reliable or it was written byhand or vice verses… Conclusion: The Bible is best Book if one were to read with open heart. Praise the Lord , Amenfile:///C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif
Do Angels Love or Have Feelings? I'm sure there are others whoknow more verses to verify angels have feelings, but this may be a goodstarting point...
JOY
"Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of Godover one sinner who repents."
Luke15:10
When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7
WORSHIP
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let allthe angels of God worship Him."
Hebrews1:6
CURIOSITY
To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they wereministering the things which now have been reported to you through those whohave preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--thingswhich angels desire to look into.
1Peter 1.12
PRIDE
"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn!You have been cut down to the earth. You who have weakened the nations! “Butyou said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne abovethe stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses ofthe north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myselflike the Most High.’
Isaiah14:12-14
*1/3 of the angels who followed Lucifer were prideful, too
"Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted yourwisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid youbefore kings, That they might gaze at you.
Ezekiel28.17
FEAR (in fallen angels: demons)
So the demons begged Him, saying, "If You cast us out, permit us to goaway into the herd of swine.
Matthew8:31
And he cried out with a loud voice and said, "What have I to do with You,Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God that You do not tormentme."
Mark 5:7And he cried out with a loud voice and said, "What haveI to do with You,Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God that Youdo not tormentme."
Mark 5:7And allthe angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the fourbeasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God." (Revelation7:11) Here it is clear that angels can worship. Now, worship springs from emotion:It can spring from no other place.
"And, behold, they (the demons in the Gergesene demoniac) cried out,saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou comehither to torment us before the time? " ( Matthew8:29) "And when he went forth to land, there met him outof the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes,neither abode in any house, but in the tombs. When he saw Jesus, he cried out,and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do withthee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. For hehad commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man." ( Luke8:27-29a) Here it is revealed that demons (who are fallenangels) clearly fear. This is confirmed by the words the Holy Spiritgave James: "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: thedevils (Greek δαιμόνια, demons, fallen angels) also believe, andtremble." ( James 2:19)
" Unto whom (the prophets) it was revealed, that not untothemselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reportedunto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghostsent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into." ( 1 Peter1:12) That latter clause indicatesangels have desires.
"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them intohell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment." ( 2 Peter2:4) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but lefttheir own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darknessunto the judgment of the great day." ( Jude 1:6) Here it is revealedthat angels have volition, for some chose to sin and sin requiresvolition. Thus they have their own freedom of will and can decidefor or against God's will. Volition requires emotion and emotionrequires volition. If one is to have free will, one must have theability to desire one end or another.
So, from verses about angels in general and bad angels in particular we cansafely conclude that they are creatures with the capacity foremotion. Applying that principle, then, we can (I believe safely)assume that the verses with which I began this post can also be interpreted notfrom the semantically literal standpoint that those who believe angels do nothave emotion base their belief on, but from the comparitive basis by which ALLscripture must be interpreted. Thus, I hold with the belief that angels indeed have emotion, along with will.
Are angels male or female?"
Answer: There is no doubt that every reference to angels in Scripture refers to them in the masculine gender. The Greek word for “angel” in the New Testament, angelos, is in the masculine form. In fact, the feminine form of angelos does not exist. There are three genders in grammar—masculine (he, him, his), feminine (she, her, hers), and neuter (it, its). Angels are never referred to in any gender other than masculine. In the many appearances of angels in the Bible, never is an angel referred to as “she” or “it.” Furthermore, when angels did appear, they always appeared dressed as human males (Genesis 18:2, 16; Ezekiel 9:2). No angel ever appeared in Scripture dressed as a female.
The only named angels in the Bible—Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer—had male names and all were referred to in the masculine. Revelation 12:7 – “…Michael and his angels.”; Luke 1:29 – “Mary was greatly troubled at his (Gabriel’s) words.”; Isaiah 14:12 – “Oh, Lucifer, son of the morning.” Other references to angels are always in the masculine gender. In Judges 6:21, the angel held the staff in his hand. Zechariah asked an angel a question and reports that he answered (Zechariah 1:19). The angels in Revelation are all spoken of as “he” and “his” (Revelation 7:1; 10:1, 5; 14:19; 16:2, 4, 17; 19:17; 20:1).
The confusion about genderless angels comes from a misreading of Matthew 22:30, which states that there will be no marriage in heaven because we “will be like the angels in heaven.” The statement that there will be no marriage has led some to believe that angels are “sexless” or genderless because (the thinking goes) the purpose of gender is procreation and, if there is to be no marriage and no procreation, there is no need for gender. But this is a leap that cannot be proven from the text. The fact that there is no marriage does not necessarily mean there is no gender. The many references to angels as males contradict the idea of genderless angels. But we must not confuse gender with sexuality. Clearly, there is no sexual activity in heaven, which we can safely derive from the statement about no marriage. But we can’t make the same leap from “no marriage” to “no gender.”
Gender, then, is not to be understood strictly in terms of sexuality. Rather, the use of the masculine gender pronouns throughout Scripture is more a reference to authority than to sex. God always refers to Himself in the masculine. The blurring of the distinction between male and female can lead to heresies such as “mother/father God” and the Holy Spirit as an “it,” ignoring the references to Him in Scripture (John 14:17; 15:16; 16:8, 13-14). The Holy Spirit is never described as an “it” or an inanimate force. God’s perfect plan for the order and structure of authority, both in the church and the home, imbues men with authority to rule in love and righteousness, just as God rules. It would simply be inappropriate to refer to heavenly beings as anything other than masculine because of the authority God has granted to them to wield His power (2 Kings 19:35), carry His messages (Luke 2:10), and represent Him on earth.
I hope this helps.
The Bible is prefect Book in the world with super explanation itself....it all depend how we interpreted to understand the scriptures..
Praise the Lord
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Truth.8 posted on 23-11-2013 01:15 PM
Why on earth ur allah need to create the unseen thing which is jinn with nafsu when human in flesh is good enough??? does the jinn have sex and produced babies ?
another question, does iblis n syaitan also jinn??? the unseen things which jinn where are they?
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Ha ha , why are you behaving or being a troll? You cannot answer questions from us muslims? Your pathetic questions have been answered in post #128. Why are you so scared to respond? You don't have anything to respond with. Yes?
The 3 contentions you have been running away from in this thread
(1) the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
(2) who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
(3) Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
Lets see how brave you are ....
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Truth.8 posted on 23-11-2013 01:13 PM
Do Angels Love or Have Feelings? I'm sure there are others who know more verses to verify angels have feelings, but this may be a good starting point...
JOY
"Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of Godover one sinner who repents."
Luke 15:10
When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7
WORSHIP
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let allthe angels of God worship Him."
Hebrews 1:6
CURIOSITY
To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they wereministering the things which now have been reported to you through those whohave preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--thingswhich angels desire to look into.
1 Peter 1.12
PRIDE
"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn!You have been cut down to the earth. You who have weakened the nations! “Butyou said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne abovethe stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses ofthe north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myselflike the Most High.’
Isaiah 14:12-14
*1/3 of the angels who followed Lucifer were prideful, too
"Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted yourwisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid youbefore kings, That they might gaze at you.
Ezekiel 28.17
FEAR (in fallen angels: demons)
So the demons begged Him, saying, "If You cast us out, permit us to goaway into the herd of swine.
Matthew 8:31
And he cried out with a loud voice and said, "What have I to do with You,Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God that You do not tormentme."
Mark 5:7And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God." (Revelation 7:11) Here it is clear that angels can worship. Now, worship springs from emotion: It can spring from no other place.
"And, behold, they (the demons in the Gergesene demoniac) cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? " (Matthew 8:29) "And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs. When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man." (Luke 8:27-29a) Here it is revealed that demons (who are fallen angels) clearly fear. This is confirmed by the words the Holy Spirit gave James: "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (Greek δαιμόνια, demons, fallen angels) also believe, and tremble." (James 2:19)
"Unto whom (the prophets) it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into." (1 Peter 1:12) That latter clause indicates angels have desires.
"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment." (2 Peter 2:4) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." (Jude 1:6) Here it is revealed that angels have volition, for some chose to sin and sin requires volition. Thus they have their own freedom of will and can decide for or against God's will. Volition requires emotion and emotion requires volition. If one is to have free will, one must have the ability to desire one end or another.
So, from verses about angels in general and bad angels in particular we can safely conclude that they are creatures with the capacity for emotion. Applying that principle, then, we can (I believe safely) assume that the verses with which I began this post can also be interpreted not from the semantically literal standpoint that those who believe angels do not have emotion base their belief on, but from the comparitive basis by which ALL scripture must be interpreted. Thus, I hold with the belief that angels indeed have emotion, along with will.
I hope this helps. 
How! What a long post which is full of irrelevant issues. The 3rd contention from bro 'gunblade712' is as follows :
Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
The only relevant part of your post is to appeal to isa14:12-14 for the specific question of pride. However isa14 is not about lucifer but the King of Babylon. The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “t derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)... (1982, 7:311). However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate. Jerome, likely believing that the term was describing the planet Venus, employed the Latin term “Lucifer” (“light-bearing”) to designate “the morning star” (Venus). Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. Eventually, the name Lucifer came to be synonymous with Satan. But is Satan “Lucifer”?
No, he is not. The context into which verse 12 fits begins in verse 4 where God told Isaiah to “take up this parable against the king of Babylon ...
Nowhere within the context of Isaiah 14, however, is Satan depicted as Lucifer. In fact, quite the opposite is true. In his commentary on Isaiah, Burton Coffman wrote: “We are glad that our version ([size=-1]ASV) leaves the word Lucifer out of this rendition, because...Satan does not enter into this passage as a subject at all” (1990, p. 141).
The contention remains: Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
Do you understand the question? If you don't , just admit it.
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sam1528 posted on 23-11-2013 04:08 PM
How! What a long post which is full of irrelevant issues. The 3rd contention from bro 'gunblade712 ...
The contention remains: Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
here we go again with muslims dump head either they knew or just pretending...
in my topic it mentione heart, desire and emotion...what u call it??
ur allah who is all knowing...why need to create good and bad jinn because in Bible everthing was good in begining..
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Truth.8 posted on 23-11-2013 05:04 PM
here we go again with muslims dump head either they knew or just pretending...
in my topic it mentione heart, desire and emotion...what u call it??
ur allah who is all knowing...why need to create good and bad jinn because in Bible everthing was good in begining..
Ha ha , I quote the contention by bro 'gunblade712' :
Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from?
Your response as follows :
PRIDE
"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn!You have been cut down to the earth. You who have weakened the nations! “Butyou said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne abovethe stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses ofthe north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myselflike the Most High.’
Isaiah 14:12-14
*1/3 of the angels who followed Lucifer were prideful, too
Why you are trying to bullshit your way thru? Opinions of most (in fact all) biblcal scholars is that isa14 is never about 'lucifer' but the King of Babylon. Therefore you never did answer the question. You think others cannot catch you trying to lie?
Why are you repeating the same question but ignoring the response in post#128? Are you not capable to respond to the post? Then you are just a troll ... nothing more
The 3 contentions you have been running away from in this thread
(1) the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
(2) who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
(3) Does all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes fro
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