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[MERGED]--Room inside Kaba is a forbidden.Why? - Pict page 43
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Originally posted by AceHand at 22-11-2008 02:29 AM 
Are you really need the answers or are you just making provocation...? Well... Your 'honesty' to learn more about Islam doesn't proof eno ...
By deducting my credit and running
away from my question is of guilty . The question I ask is very simple and not provocation. . And you misused your title as moderator as terrorist in this forum.
Am I wrong to ask:
doest the pagan arab circle the Kaba before came islam?
Does the aswad was there before islam?
show me proof that Muslims have explain this issue before ? if not you should return back my credit. if there is proof that Muslims has explain than is ok you deduct my credit, if not you return back my credit
I don抰 remember muslims explain on this issue. the only issue they explain is the 360 idols
[ Last edited by Truth.8 at 22-11-2008 11:17 PM ] |
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As usual the moderator Ace Hand misused his position without using his brain. My credit was deducted because I ask Muslims the following questions:
Does the pagan arab circle the Kaba before came islam?
Does the aswad was there before islam?
I clearly remember Muslims only answered there was 360 idols before Islam in Kaba but it was destroy when Muhammad came.
The circle and aswad before Islam, I don't remember.
According to this terroristmoderator,the question has been answer many times by muslims hence suchquestion consider like provocation.
Show me proof that this question has been answer by muslims? If there is a proof, than it fair to deduct my credit.
Justbecause muslim member complaint with regards to this, do the moderatorneed to deduct the none muslim credit without proof?
Clearlymany muslims moderator here been bias to none muslims members if wewere to question their faith but is ok they question about other nonemuslims faith and they are not been punished or credit been deducted.Even they credit deducted, you don抰 seen them beggar.
Such behaviors consider like doubled standard and unfair.
If there has no proof what I haveask, than there is element of double standard in this forum by muslimsuper moderator and moderator. |
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If Muslims think have answer my question, please paste here and than the credit deduction should not be question. If not , I still post the similar question again and again until Muslims provide answer for my question. |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-11-2008 01:41 
If Muslims think have answer my question, please paste here and than the credit deduction should not be question. If not , I still post the similar question again and again until Muslims provide ...
Do you read the history of Abraham, the father of religions. It was openly proclaimed by Moses and spiritually taught by Christ. This same truth was disclosed in plain words by Muhammad.
Then we can talk about circle 'Tawaf' and Aswad before Muhammad was born not Islam, Ok! |
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Originally posted by S.A.M at 23-11-2008 03:27 AM
Do you read the history of Abraham, the father of religions. It was openly proclaimed by Moses and spiritually taught by Christ. This same truth was disclosed in plain words by Muhammad.
Then we can talk about circle 'Tawaf' and Aswad before Muhammad was born not Islam, Ok! ...
You mind posting here? If Moses or Jesus taught on tawaf and awad or the kaba by Abraham, why they did not visit this places?
Show me proof?
[ Last edited by Truth.8 at 23-11-2008 09:12 PM ] |
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You mind posting here? If Moses or Jesus taught on tawaf and awad or the kaba by Abraham, why they did not visit this places?
Show me proof?
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Abraham was the father of three great world religions. For it is from his descendants, who were called Ben Israel, that came Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Abraham was the first to bring the knowledge of mysticism from Egypt, where he was initiated in the most ancient esoteric order. And on his return the place he chose to establish as a world center was Mecca (Ka'aba), to which people made pilgrimage. Not only in the age of Islam, but long before Muhammad was the sacred center of Mecca held in esteem by the pious.
In the ancient tradition the family of Jesus Christ is traced back to the family of Isaac, and Muhammad came from the family of Ishmael. The prophecies of Abraham were always living words, though various people have given different interpretations according to their own ideas. But to the mind of the seer these prophecies have a very deep meaning.
Abraham, the father of the nations and the fountain from which such streams as Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad came, had offered a prayer when leaving his son Ishmael in the barren desert of Arabia. His heart was broken, and there came forth from it a prayer, 'O Lord, bless this land, that it may become a center of attraction to the whole world.'
The strong and the weak, rich and poor, high and low, civilized and uncivilized, all come year by year on pilgrimage to Mecca in this land. They all are clad in one piece of cloth, that all may look alike to show before God and humanity the equality of the human brotherhood.
This is Hajj. |
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Originally posted by S.A.M at 24-11-2008 12:39 AM 
Abraham was the father of three great world religions. For it is from his descendants, who were called Ben Israel, that came Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
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If that the case, why there is no single evidence that all the prophets before muhammad step foots to perform holy cermony in Mecca or visit kaba?
Jesus- NO
Moses - NO
Soloman - No
David - NO
and etc
where is the logic to the claimed that Araham has step foots in Kaba? |
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Originally posted by S.A.M at 24-11-2008 03:24 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4158/kaabahya5.th.jpg
rather than pics, it will wise thing to do the arab goverment invite national geo to enter inside snap video. am i rite? |
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Originally posted by S.A.M at 24-11-2008 03:24 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4158/kaabahya5.th.jpg
揑t is said, by Muhammadan historians, that 'Amr ibn Luhaiy was the first who introduced idolatry into Arabia, and that he brought the great idol Hubal from Hait from Mesopotamia and placed it in the sacred house {Kaaba}. It then became a Pantheon {360 idols} common to all the tribes. [IDOLS.]敄 Dictionary of Islam. Muslims will deny that there are idols in the Kaaba, but this is confirmed in the Hadiths by non other than the most important of all the Islamic Hadiths |
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Balas #6 Truth.8\ catat
if said the king is to open ?
come on friend...............
the Kaabah is given to not just muslim, but all mankind
IF it s so open.................
just think of what happen when everybody wants to go in.
Just look at this,
any building in KL exmp; MENARA TABUNG HAJI,
the main foyer is never given access to anyone except the CEO!!! |
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Balas #1552 Truth.8\ catat
yes, the pagan did that before Islam,
but......... they put inside thier statue of worship JA'ALA @ KAAN`NAH
yes, the aswad is there before Islam came,
but........... they worship the people who said to put the aswad stone,
and not the GOD itself, who ask put there..........
STUDY THE QURAN , surah IBRAHIM |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 24-11-2008 12:43 
If that the case, why there is no single evidence that all the prophets before muhammad step foots to perform holy cermony in Mecca or visit kaba?
Jesus- NO
Moses - NO
Soloman - No
Davi ...
By the way, are you Christian, Jew or else?. You asked dummy question isn't it?. Bofore I proceed your unrealistic question. Do you read the history of Abraham, the father of religions or not?. |
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Each prophet had a mission to prepare the world for the teaching of the next; each one prophesied the coming of the next, and the work was thus continued by all the prophets until Muhammad.
I also respectfully recognize and offer devotion to their Beloved, the divine wisdom in all her garments, at all times, and under such different names and forms as Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad. Muhammad's teachings are studied and followed by the orthodox as religion, and by the deep thinkers as a philosophy. |
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malas nak layan
biarlah dia nih ngan kebangangan nya yg Nyata
dah ade gambo dok tanya yg lain
dah ada jawapan dok pusing2 provoke mende takde kaitan
korang tak yah layan pun dia nih
buang masa ja layan manosia camnih |
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Balas #1546 Truth.8\ catat
ali sinai ran away from a debate, truth.8
he didn't wanna go on a public debate, he didn't wanna go on an online public debate..
all he wants is a debate in written letters...
and you herald that kinda person as your 'hero'?
and if you wanna talk about the Ka'abah, please go back to history back before Mekah was around..  |
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Balas #1559 Truth.8\ catat
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because they were sent to the Children of Israel, and believe me, Children of Israel didn't live in Mekah (or not the majority, that's for sure) |
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kis the aswad stone is sunah. even umar (2nd khalifah) said, if prophet muhammad s.a.w not kissing that stone, he would NEVER ever to kiss it. It just sunah bcoz in islam, following sunah given u credit or "pahala". Then, u will as why prophet kis it? then u should know history of aswad stone itself. it not ordinary stone from earth. if i not mistake, i have read in one book it said that stone come on from heaven carry out by jibrail. Clear?
i think a long ago inside kaabah is not forbidden to see. it only apply when Saudi time. Why no video? of course lah, not have video a long ago. when it come to saudi time, they forbid it.they made it exclusive for them. imagine if people around the world eager to come inside kaabah? huh cannot la.
u want video right? just see ur self
http://asyzsufi.multiply.com/video/item/26/Inside_Kaabah |
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At the least, Allah should have helped build a near perfect Kaaba {Look at the measurements again}. This Kaaba is neither a perfect square nor a perfect oblong/rectangle and not a perfect cube. So, this Kaaba is an insult to any Supreme Being, isn抰 it? Nothing is symmetric. The Muslims could not even get the measurements symmetrical.
The question, Muslims should ask is: - If Abraham built the Kaaba, why is there no history of his living in Mecca in the Quran or the Hadiths. And why is he not buried in Mecca, for having built the House of Allah. Didn抰 Allah recognise his efforts? Then why is there no signs of him ever being in Mecca? It must have taken almost a lifetime to build the Kaaba, in those days. Surely, 憇pending years in Mecca |
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Post time 23-11-2008 03:27 AM
