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Post time 11-2-2018 02:04 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 12:44 PM
Aku taip:

"Because afterall,  in your Quran , Muhammad never says out of his mouth, about himse ...

Ha ha ... ko paham english ke cikgu chazey

Lain macam aje ko ni , aku tepek apa ko catat :
Bodoh namampus. So betul la kan Nabi Muhammad pbuh takda pun ngaku dia nabi utusan Allah? Yang ada cuma firman Allah yang suroh nabi kata Say O Muhammad, I am the Messenger of Allah?

Dan, dalam video kokesen sapa tah pasal debat agama yang aku tepek tu meka tak cakap pasal hadith, meka cakap pasal Quran. Ko yang bodo memandai cakap pasal hadith.
Ha ha ha ha ... kalo dah kata 'say' pada ayat Quran tu , jadik apa?

Bermakna bila ayat tu diwahyukan , Nabi Muhammad(saw) akan kata dia adalah Nabi & Rasul Allah

Kalo dah keluar dari mulut dia ... bukan ke tu satu pengakuan?

Bukan ka Hadith merangkumi percakapan Nabi Mumahhad(saw).

Skg Quran ada & hadith pon ada .... ko nak lari ke mana ... lubang cacing pon ko tak boleh masuk

Kah kah kah .... cikgu chazey yg kureng fasih english ... cikgu pulak tu

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Post time 11-2-2018 02:07 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 12:50 PM
Dah la bodo, kaki fitnah pula. Pastu ada hati nak jadik pakar Bible walau tak pernah study Bible d ...

Ha ha ... cikgu chazey yg dah gelabah

Ye lah aku tak pernah belajar bible tapi senang aje aku pekena kan ko yg belajar bible dari kecik

Skg pengakuan Nabi Muhammad(saw) yg dia tu adalah Nabi & Rasul dari Quran ada & hadith pon ada

Apa cerita?

Kah kah kah ... yg nak gelak ko didapati seleweng ayat bible ... malu ooi bila kantoi

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Post time 11-2-2018 02:10 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Sedar tak sedar dah 141 ropanya komen dalam ni.
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Post time 11-2-2018 02:13 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 12:55 PM
Apa yang ko bagi? Aku mintak ayat dari Quran di mana Nabi Muhammad mengaku nabi.

Mana ayat tu ...

Ha ha ... cikgu chazey tanya lagi soalan yg kureng cardik

Jawapan sama aje :


Tersebut Quran atau hadith ... kalo dah kata 'say' & Nabi Muhammad(saw) nyatakan demikian , kalo org yg akal sihat akan konfom tersebut adalah satu pengakuan pasal keluar dari mulut dia

Ni lah dia problem kalo org belajar Quran dari gereja.

Ni dari ko :
Bodoh namampus. So betul la kan Nabi Muhammad pbuh takda pun ngaku dia nabi utusan Allah? Yang ada cuma firman Allah yang suroh nabi kata Say O Muhammad, I am the Messenger of Allah?

Dan, dalam video kokesen sapa tah pasal debat agama yang aku tepek tu meka tak cakap pasal hadith, meka cakap pasal Quran. Ko yang bodo memandai cakap pasal hadith.
Jadik skg utusan Allah lain dari messenger of Allah

Lain macamana tu?

Macamana ko jadik cikgu ni?

Kah kah kah .... cikgu chazey dah mati akal

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Post time 11-2-2018 02:21 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 01:05 PM
Ko tak baca lansung ke segala ayat Biblos yang aku tepek tu? Kita bercakap pasal trinity dalam ...

Ha ha ... cikgu chazey skg mengaku ada trinity dlm bible

Aku tepek apa ko bagi :
Ko tak baca lansung ke segala ayat Biblos yang aku tepek tu? Kita bercakap pasal trinity dalam Bible, bukan trinity ikut kefahaman ko, ok?

Ko kata:

Relationship with God as a God? Ko ni cakap bahasa apa? Bahasa org mabuk ketum kot?

Wtf? Cubaan konar ka apa ni? Motif ko tak faham apa yang ko baca? Ko yang mabuk ketum ka apa ni?
Tak ada langsung ko bagi trinity dlam bible .. kalo ada cuba ko bagi rujukkan dia ... tak tak akan mampu bagi

Post#103 dari ko :
Sapa kata Jesus tak ada relationship with God, as a God? Itu barangkali fahaman seorang born Moslem, bukan born Kristian.

Jesus is the Son of God. As a Son, He has a relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit. We humans, as our fathers' children, surely have a relationship with our earthly fathers, no? So does Jesus? Bagaimana boleh turunnya ayat "INILAH ANAK KU YANG KU KASIHI, KEPADANYALAH AKU BERKENAN" (Google sindri hapa verse) dari God the Father jika God thr Father takda relationship dengan Jesus? Camana someone boleh mengasihi someone tanpa mengenali that someone?
Apa ke benda ni : relationship with God , as a God?

Sendiri tulis , sendiri tak mengaku ke? Sapa yg cuba konar ni?

Kah kah kah ... ko betul2 muka tak malu lah cikgu chazey , sendiri tulis , bila kantoi ... tak mau mengaku ... typical lah lobai & lobainita ateis & pro ateis ni



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Post time 11-2-2018 02:21 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Sakit hati sebab martin luther pernah critic tentang muhammad ....
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Post time 11-2-2018 02:22 PM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 11-2-2018 02:34 PM
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 12:55 PM
Apa yang ko bagi? Aku mintak ayat dari Quran di mana Nabi Muhammad mengaku nabi.

Mana ayat tu ...
Bila diminta ayat dari Koran di mana Nabi Muhammad directlyngaku dia nabi tak boleh bagi pula. Dok tepek hadith. Ceh.

Ada bagi la ayat Al Quran post #73!! Sila tgk post tersebut.

Sungguh pon begitu, ada ayat Al Quran yg Allah SWT perintahkan pada Nabi SAW..

Nabi Muhammad pbuh pun tak pernah bagi ayat direct ngaku dia nabi? You're WRONG .


Sahih International: Say, [OMuhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is nodeity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah andHis Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, andfollow him that you may be guided. (QS  7:158)


Allah SWT perintahkan dan Nabi SAW pon menyeru umatnya org2 Arab ketika itu...

Maksudnya, RasulullahSAW sendiri menyatakan atas perintah Allah SWT untuk mengatakan :
Bahwa beliau adalah utusan Allah  SWT, untuk seluruh manusia.

Pi bagi aku ayat dari Hadith buat hapa?

Islam berpegang kpd DUA perkara iaitu Al Quran dan Sunnah (Hadith)
Sejak bila pulak tak boleh terima dan refer Hadith sedangkan ianya Hadith Sahih.
Kalo Hadith Palsu..memang patut la direjek.


Dalam Koran pon, Allah yang confirmkan Nabi Muhammad rasulAllah. Ia tak kuar dari mulut nabi sundri.

Ada banyak ayat2  yg Allah SWT  confirmkan Nabi Muhammad adalah rasul Allah.. itu BETUL.
Ayat Al Quran diatas ( QS 7:158 ) satu2 nya ayat yg BUKAN confirmation  

TETAPI suatu perintah Allah SWT kpd Nabi SAW SAHAJA utk menyatakan
kpd seluruh manusia.. beliau adalah Utusan Allah.


Adakah ayat itu ditujukan kpd SEMUA manusia , suatu pemberitahuan …TIDAK.
Adakah ayat itu merupakan suatu confirmation..NO
Ayat itu adalah suatu PERINTAHSAY Muhammad, I am the Messenger…
dan Nabi SAW pon melafazkan ( keluar dari mulut rasulullah sendiri)
beliau adalah Utusan Allah utk sekelian manusia.


Nampaknya pemahaman bahasa ko sgt LEMAH.

Kalo ko nak kata ayat itu Allah SWT yg kata, adakah ini bermakna Allah SWT sendiri
Yg menjadi Messenger of Allah ???

Perkataan SAY (Qul) dlm ayat itu, say to whom ???
Takkanla Allah SWT berkata2 pada diri Nya sendiri???

So betul la kan Nabi Muhammad pbuh takda pun ngaku dia nabiutusan Allah? Yang ada cuma firman Allah yang suroh nabi kata Say O Muhammad, Iam the Messenger of Allah?

Perintah Allah SWT suruh Nabi SAW kata dan Nabi SAW pon berkata..

Dari Abu Hurairah radhiallahu‘anhu, ia berkata: Rasulullah Shalalallahu ‘Alaihi Wassalam bersabda:
Saya bersaksi bahwa tiada Tuhan yang berhak disembah selain Allah dan sesungguhnya saya utusan Allah. Tidaklah seorang hamba menemui Allah membawa kalimat ini tanpa ragu kepadanya kecuali dia pasti masuk surga.” (HR. Muslim)

Dan, dalam video kokesen sapa tah pasal debat agama yangaku tepek tu meka tak cakap pasal hadith, meka cakap pasal Quran. Ko yang bodomemandai cakap pasal hadith.

Sebab David Woods tu BODOH, Al Quran adalah TOTALLY  100%  words of God.

Or David kaki spin ni tahu Al Quran 100 % words of God so soalan dia takleh jawab
dan in a way dia juga selamat dari soalan where did Jesus says that " i am God or worship me"???


Pengakuan tersebut JELAS  ada dlm Hadith sebab TIDAK dicampurkan kalam Allah dgn kata2 Nabi SAW.

Dlm Bibel kita kena tanya saper yg cakap ni ?? Father kaa,Son kaa, Holy Ghost kaa,
Yahudi mabok tulis kaa???


Nak tahu apa kata Nabi SAW…refer Hadith. Nak tahu apa kata Allah SWT…refer Al Quran.

Susah jugak dapat Cikgu yg tak paham bahasa…




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Post time 11-2-2018 02:39 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 01:17 PM
Bila masa ko bagitau aku aku akan have a hard time? Hello? And am I really having a hard time? Kha ...

Ha ha ... bila kantoi cikgu chazey dah mula nak mengencing

Bila masa ko bagitau aku aku akan have a hard time? Hello? And am I really having a hard time? Khak tuih la. Perasan. So tipikal of lobais and lobainitas benak.
Ha ha ha ha ... soalan senang aje - mana biblical Jesus mengaku tuhan & mintak disembah

Berpusing ko konar dari satu ayat ke lain & mula maki hamun .... I would say you are having a tough time

Bila masa aku kata Deuteronomy bukan ayat Bible? Gila. Ko ada baca ka tak sebenarnya apa aku tulis?
Abis yg ko dok bebel , post#99
Sam bodoh cuba tepek ayat dari Deuterenomy.

Sam bodoh tahu ayat Deuteronomy tu dari Old Testament?
Tak boleh tepek ayat dari deut lah kalo ikut ko? Ko terlampau terdesak

Ni pemahaman ko, yang bokan Bible scholar pon untuk klaim gitu. Ya ampun.
Laaa , tak ada bible scholar yg kata biblical Jesus adalah tuhan dgn phrase 'the holy one of God'
Pasal apa ko nak bohong kata aku klaim 'tak ada relationship'?

Hello, may I remind you that the Christians believe in trinitarian divinity?
Clueless one , what trinitarians believe is not my concern. Isu skg where in the bible that biblical Jesus claim to be God & demand worship?
Don't change the subject ... nak lari ke?

Sebab itu Jesus dibunuh oleh mereka di dalam Bible.
Bunuh is another issue. Isu skg bunuh sebab dia mengaku tuhan atau rasul

Bible tak kata dia mengaku tuhan

Kah kah kah ... cikgu chazey dah mula nak alih isu

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Post time 11-2-2018 02:40 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 02:04 PM
Ha ha ... ko paham english ke cikgu chazey

Lain macam aje ko ni , aku tepek apa ko catat :

So mana, MANA verse dari Quran yang kuar dari mulut Nabi sindri mengatakan dia messenger Allah?

All Moslems are aware that the Quran was written by the Prophet, we know that.

And in the Quran, Allah told the Prophet that he was the chosen one, we know that.

But the Prophet has never admitted that he is a prophet of Allah in the Quran itself though he did say so according to the hadith, we know that.

If the Prophet himself has never admitted that he is a Messenger of Allah in the Quran [the Quran is not a 100% Allah's words in my opinion, there is a verse written that says - “Allah has said: “Take not (for worship) two gods: for He is just One Allah: then fear Me (and Me alone) - if one thinks logically, this verse shows that it was the injection of the Prophet's own words into the Quran]

then why are Moslems questioning whether or not Jesus has admitted his divinity in the Bible?



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Post time 11-2-2018 02:41 PM | Show all posts
I am the way, the truth and the life = Jesus adalah GOD






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Post time 11-2-2018 02:41 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 02:39 PM
Ha ha ... bila kantoi cikgu chazey dah mula nak mengencing

Ha ha ha ha ... soalan senang aje - ...

Bible tak kata dia mengaku Tuhan?

Mana bukti Bible tak kata Jesus ngaku Tuhan?
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Post time 11-2-2018 02:44 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 02:07 PM
Ha ha ... cikgu chazey yg dah gelabah

Ye lah aku tak pernah belajar bible tapi senang aje aku p ...





Surah 'Say o Muhammad bla bla bla tu'

Ayat nabi Muhammad sendiri ke?

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Post time 11-2-2018 02:48 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 01:21 PM
Ko asyik minta aku ayat dalam Bible Jesus kata dia Tuhan, aku dah bagi banyak verses di mana Jesus ...

Ha ha ... cikgu chzey dah pening & gaban

Memang lah aku mintak mana dlm bible biblical Jesus mengaku tuhan & mintak di sembah

Ko bagi ayat2 tersebut & senang aje aku bagi poin aku yg berlawanan dgn apa ko cuba maksudkan , siap dgn rujukkan pulak tu

Ko tak mampu jawab pon

Kalo ko cakap mulut Thomas yg kata biblical Jesus tuhan , selang 3 ayat lepas tu konfom dia hanya messiah. Jadik 'my God' adalah rujukkan bukan ke biblical jesus.

Nak lagi , ini pengakuan biblical Jesus , joh10:34-35 (bible NIV)
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]?
35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside
Org alim atau org berugama pada masa tersebut dipanggil 'god(s)'

Dua bukti tersebut boleh konfom yg Thomas tak bermakna panggil biblical Jesus tuhan

Aiik!! Mintak lagi ayat Quran yg Nabi Muhammad(saw) mengaku diri tu Rasul Allah. Ko tak baca ke Quran7:158

Apa problem ko dgn tersebut?

Kah kah kah ... cikgu chazey paksa diri jadik kureng cerdik


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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 02:13 PM
Ha ha ... cikgu chazey tanya lagi soalan yg kureng cardik

Jawapan sama aje :



Logik lobai.

Kalau akak kata kat anak murid akak, katakan hai anak murid bahawa kau anak murid akak,

Dan anak murid akak kopipes ayat akak bulat2 satu persatu tulis dalam buku,

Maka anak murid akak telah MENGELUARKAN AYAT TERSEBUT dari mulutnya sindri.

......

Logik lobai.

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enhe.duanna replied at 11-2-2018 01:46 PM
Sam u percaya perkataan yang di keluarkan oleh manusia itu sendiri dan claimed sendiri adalah be ...

Ha ha .... apa problem dia

Sebagai muslim aku percaya Quran adalah dari Allah & Nabi Muhammad(saw) rasul dia

Apa problem ko? Terlebih dulu kena bagi tau pegangan ko

Jgn takut ya

Kah kah kah ... kita tengok berani tak ko ni

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Post time 11-2-2018 02:57 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 02:40 PM
So mana, MANA verse dari Quran yang kuar dari mulut Nabi sindri mengatakan dia messenger Allah?
...

Ha ha ... you are so clueless cikgu chazey

So mana, MANA verse dari Quran yang kuar dari mulut Nabi sindri mengatakan dia messenger Allah?

All Moslems are aware that the Quran was written by the Prophet, we know that.

And in the Quran, Allah told the Prophet that he was the chosen one, we know that.

But the Prophet has never admitted that he is a prophet of Allah in the Quran itself though he did say so according to the hadith, we know that.

If the Prophet himself has never admitted that he is a Messenger of Allah in the Quran [the Quran is not a 100% Allah's words in my opinion, there is a verse written that says - “Allah has said: “Take not (for worship) two gods: for He is just One Allah: then fear Me (and Me alone) - if one thinks logically, this verse shows that it was the injection of the Prophet's own words into the Quran]

then why are Moslems questioning whether or not Jesus has admitted his divinity in the Bible?
Bukan ke Quran7:158 keluar dari mulut Nabi Muhammad(saw) masa tersebut diwahyukan?

Apa yg ko nak cakap ni ... you are soooo clueless & confused

Kah kah kah ... cikgu chazey belajar Islam dari ABN network ke

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Post time 11-2-2018 02:57 PM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 11-2-2018 03:00 PM
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 02:40 PM
So mana, MANA verse dari Quran yang kuar dari mulut Nabi sindri mengatakan dia messenger Allah?
...
So mana, MANA verse dari Quran yang kuar dari mulut Nabi sindri mengatakan dia messenger Allah?

Al Quran adalah 100% kalam Allah, adakah Nabi SAW mengatakan beliau Utusan Allah...YES...ADA.

Ko pon cikgu kaki spin, dah tahu ada Al Quran dan Hadith TAPI utk lari dari menjawab
where in the Bible, Jesus says "I am God and worship me" ??

Ini org low class punya cara nak lari sebab tak boleh nak bagi BUKTI ayat2 Bible.

Berpusing2 kata pasal Nabi SAW cakap dlm Al Quran...

All Moslems are aware that the Quran was written by the Prophet, we know that.

Nope...Nabi SAW tidak tahu membaca dan menulis.

And in the Quran, Allah told the Prophet that he was the chosen one, we know that.

But the Prophet has never admitted that he is a prophet of Allah in the Quran itself though he did say so according to the hadith, we know that.

Yes..sebab tidak dicampurkan Kalam Allah SWT dlm Al Quran dan
kata2 Nabi SAW ADA dlm Hadith.


Jika terdapat HANYA SATU ...kata2 Nabi SAW didlm Al Quran MAKA
orang2 boleh pertikaikan banyak lagi kata2 Nabi SAW yg terdapat dlm Al Quran. !!!

Masalah akan timbul sebab Al Quran bukan asli lagi..


Orang boleh kata dlm Quran "itu kata Nabi Bukan Allah SWT yg kata dan macam2 lagi !!!


Dlm Islam tidak timbul masalah ni sebab Al Quran adalah 100% words of God.

Nak tahu apa kata2 Nabi SAW...refer Hadith.




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Post time 11-2-2018 02:59 PM | Show all posts
chazey replied at 11-2-2018 02:41 PM
Bible tak kata dia mengaku Tuhan?

Mana bukti Bible tak kata Jesus ngaku Tuhan?

Ha ha ... soalan senang aje ni

joh17:4 (bible NIV)
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Hanya 1 tuhan & biblical Jesus diutuskan tuhan

Tak susah pon

Kah kah kah .... soalan ni pon ko tanya ... ini terlampau basic

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Redskin replied at 11-2-2018 02:22 PM
Ada bagi la ayat Al Quran post #73!! Sila tgk post tersebut.
Sungguh pon begitu, ada ayat Al ...

Verse 73 was Allah's words, not the Prophet himself.

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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 02:51 PM
Ha ha .... apa problem dia

Sebagai muslim aku percaya Quran adalah dari Allah & Nabi Muhammad(s ...

Percaya tanpa bukti ?
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