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[Politik]
Dr Illyani Dikenakan Tindakan Tatatertib Kerana Mengkritik Anak Dr Mahathir LGBT
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Orix replied at 12-8-2018 03:51 PM
Mmg fishy pun sedari awal duk postpone pertabalan Tun M as PM. Bukan ke bang non kenmain duk up ka ...
Bila baca tulisan HR tu aku mcm phm dh knp tun m xbg jawatan knn pd pkr. Sbb depa ni bila2 masa akn gigit dia. |
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Post time 12-8-2018 04:03 PM
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R2D2 replied at 12-8-2018 03:47 PM
KP Kesihatan jawab doktor tegur Marina
12 Ogos 2018
so btul la sebab kene siasat sebab etika, bukan sebab kritik mahadet ngan marina... hahaha hancing aku kena tipu dgn lobai2 tongong ni... byk pahala mahadet dgn marina dpt ni...
#shinpadmanashinpad |
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Post time 12-8-2018 04:05 PM
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masak la lobai2 lobainita buat cite fitnah... merangkaklah korg sume nnt... jgn lupe bli shinpad siap2 hahaha... lobai2 klu propaganda no. 1, xde sape plak aku tgk kt fb hadis2 pasal fitnah ni hahaha |
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padan la muka
entah2 dr ni pun mengundi PH |
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Edited by cmf_shalom at 12-8-2018 08:34 PM
Recently, there had been a lot of statements made by healthcare professionals on social media regarding the LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) and its relation to HIV and AIDS. I do not wish to engage in any religious debate on this matter but rather, I would like to discuss this matter based on medicine, science and facts.
Some argues that being a member of LGBT is wrong because they are overrepresented in HIV transmission statistics and its hard to count the innumerable ways that that argument is wrong, but I will try.
Here is a basic scientific fact: if an uninfected gay man has unprotected anal sex with another uninfected gay man, even if they go at it 100 times a day and set each others' butts on fire from the friction, they can never get HIV. So, right there we know that being gay, and having gay unprotected anal sex on its own CANNOT give you HIV. So why are they overrepresented in the HIV stats? To understand this, you need to have a basic understanding of stats in research.
To help you understand, let's look at other observational data like how the ultra conservative state of Kelantan tops the chart for HIV infection year after year. In fact, in 2008, the national HIV infection ratio was 13.3 while Kelantan recorded a ratio of 47.0 (almost 4 times the national average). So, do we then conclude that being a Kelantanese, or living in Kelantan is wrong because it is associated with such a high HIV infection rate? We don't say that, because just living in Kelantan will never spontaneously generate a HIV infection in anyone. Instead, we need to do the right thing and study why Kelantan has such a heavy HIV burden (maybe they have a higher IV drug use rate, or there is more contact with sex workers). And as we established earlier, being gay and having gay sex does not automatically cause HIV infections--so why are we nailing being LGBT as the problem when we don't condemn living in Kelantan or being a Kelantanese person as the problem? It seems like double standards to me.
Furthermore, lesbians and women-who-have-sex-with-other-women (the L of LGBT), has the lowest rate of HIV transmission--lower than even heterosexual pairings. In fact, many studies have been carried out on lesbians and HIV, and the risk is so low that it is essentially immeasurable. So anyone who blames the LGBT as a whole are either ignorant, telling you a lie, or has an agenda outside of presenting accurate medical information.
Some had raised the issue about how blood banks will reject LGBT donors as evidence that the LGBT as a whole is something that should be shun or discriminated against. But if you look at our National Blood Donation criteria, you will also find that those with "multiple sexual partners" is also listed as a "high risk" behaviour (in the same list as "homosexual relationship"), so that also covers any person who marries multiple wives in Malaysia. Anyone who have sex with someone who has multiple sexual partners is also considered high risk. Yet again, like with Kelantan, some doctors show double standards as they single out the LGBT for censure while giving polygamy a free pass. And if you recall, lesbians too is unfairly lumped here and are barred from donating blood (even though heterosexual sex has a higher risk if HIV transmission). Now, the criteria here is less than perfect, and I am not saying we should do away with risk stratification BUT, I just want to point out how using this point to argue that the LGBT is bad or wrong is intellectually dishonest. Personally, based on available stats, I'd prefer to receive a blood transfusion from a promiscuous lesbian than a straight person.
So instead of lumping the entire LGBT together (which is inaccurate), risk exclusion criteria can simply cut out MSM (men who have sex with men). You'll notice that a lot of studies into HIV/AIDS frequently use the term MSM rather than LGBT. Because not all people who engage in same sex contact identifies as homosexual or bisexual. There are many men who identify as "straight", and are often married, also engage in MSM (but does not identify as part of the LGBT for personal/philosophical/religious reasons). At the same time, there are also gay men who do not have sex.
Now finally, we need to understand why the GBT (minus the L) have higher rate of HIV infection, and determine whether the behaviour they engage in that raised their risk is unique to them or not. Anal sex is considered the riskiest form of sex for getting or spreading HIV, but even heterosexual couples can engage in such behaviour. And stigma and discrimination may discourage them from getting screened, and finding heathcare to prevent and treat HIV. When doctors publicly denounce the LGBT, it prevents them from daring to come forth--and we ended up worsening the HIV/AIDS epidemic as we continue to keep them in the shadows. And because of societal stigma, a lot of them cannot get conventional employment and were forced to do sex work, which further increase their risks. One of the most important principles in my profession is to "first, do no harm". I believe that making irresponsible, inaccurate statements stigmatising the LGBT is a violation of that principle.
Of course, a common response I read is "If someone is smoking or eating unhealthily, don't I, as a doctor, have a duty to tell them to cut that out? Why can't we do the same with the LGBT"? Now, if you have read all of the above, the answer should come easily to you. Being LGBT and having homosexual relations on its own doesn't cause anything. To be effective and accurate, we have to target high risk behaviour instead of people's identities. Blaming Kelantan people for living in Kelantan will not change anything. We need to advice them based on direct high risk behaviour. We need to caution them against having unprotected sex and inform them on the risk of being promiscuous. We need to tell them to avoid IV drug use and avoid sharing needles.
Just like what we tell heterosexual patients.
Kok Sen Wai
Links:
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2010/12/06/kelantan-hiv-infection-rate-four-times-the-national-average/
http://www.aidsmap.com/Female-to-female-sexual-transmission/page/1323529/
http://www.acku.org.my/docs/bdc.pdf
https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/understanding-hiv-aids/fact-sheets/25/81/hiv-and-gay-and-bisexual-men |
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dodolgemokgila replied at 12-8-2018 03:27 PM
Alahai jangan bodoh sgat lah. Kalau kau bukan penjawat awam, kau xpayah nak masuk campur. Kau apa ...
Bankai gro ko
Ko masuk toilet layan sabun lg baik
Pegang gambo jibun |
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cmf_shalom replied at 12-8-2018 11:38 AM
Aku ada baca dikalangan profession dr. Sendiri komen dorg thadap tulisan dr ilyani ni..
Dari apa ...
kalau "itu pendapat peribadi saya....dan tidak ada kena mengena dgn parti(ayat ore politik)...@profession saya.(dlm kes ini)"???....so camner??? |
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"having homosexuals relations on its own doesn't cause anything" really??? |
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while anal sex considered the most riskiest...this guy's memory is really really really short |
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kedaikain replied at 12-8-2018 04:03 PM
so btul la sebab kene siasat sebab etika, bukan sebab kritik mahadet ngan marina... hahaha hancing ...
Sebenarnya dek dia kena siasat sbb ada aduan org awam, dan aduan org awam tu berkaitan dgan etika kedoktoran dia. Pihak kementerian sebenarnya xkan siasat bab etika kalau xde apa2 aduan. |
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Post time 12-8-2018 07:27 PM
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dodolgemokgila replied at 12-8-2018 07:24 PM
Sebenarnya dek dia kena siasat sbb ada aduan org awam, dan aduan org awam tu berkaitan dgan etika ...
Ooooo ok pahe |
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cmf_shalom replied at 12-8-2018 04:42 PM
Recently, there had been a lot of statements made by healthcare professionals on social media regard ...
Omaigod sgat on the spot and factual rather than emotional shit blabbering by the lobais and the geng! Mana link dia kpd status dia nih, nak like beribu kali! |
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mjla replied at 12-8-2018 04:45 PM
Bankai gro ko
Ko masuk toilet layan sabun lg baik
Pegang gambo jibun
Alahai apa kau carut ni dek? Aku cakap benda betul kau dah meroyan, xnak terima hakikat yg kau xtau SOP tindakan tatatertib ke? Dan sejak bila aku jilat jibun? Aku kahakkan jah dia smbil selet taik babi dekat gmbar dia. Kau dh gila dek? Cuba lagi. |
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arnauld replied at 12-8-2018 04:51 PM
while anal sex considered the most riskiest...this guy's memory is really really really short
"Anal sex is considered the riskiest form of sex for getting or spreading HIV, but even heterosexual couples can engage in such behaviour."
Baca smpai habis lobai, jgan amek separuh2 jah dan sebarkan ikut kefahaman kau. Kalau dah dua2 yg buat anal sex adalah uninfected dan xde risk lain iaitu takde multiple sex partner, share jarum etc, mmg xkan dpt pon hiv tu. Dan kau baca bawah tu, even heterosexual partner pon boleh terlibat dgan anal sex dan risked of being infected also. Kau paham ke tak artikel tu lobai? |
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cmf_shalom replied at 12-8-2018 11:38 AM
Aku ada baca dikalangan profession dr. Sendiri komen dorg thadap tulisan dr ilyani ni..
Dari apa ...
Ye lah, dlm etika kedoktoran semua manusia sama kan, mana boleh pilih2 jantina, bangsa segala macam kan ...  |
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harizs replied at 12-8-2018 11:46 AM
baru korang tau apa jadi kpd hak bersuara klu Madey berkuasa semula. regime sistem kuku besi mmg am ...
Takpe, press freedom under PH jauh lebih terbuka dibanding zaman Umngok.... elok ko pegi buat Cpr tak umno yg tengah nazak tuh .... |
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betul la kalau dua2 suci tak kan tiba2 virus menjelma. jolok sampai berapi pun tak kan jadi apa.... lebih kurang gitu lah yang aku ingat ayat dia...
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dodolgemokgila replied at 12-8-2018 07:34 PM
"Anal sex is considered the riskiest form of sex for getting or spreading HIV, but even heterosexu ...
Ai thot dulu lelaki kalau pegang tangan lelaki lain boleh kena aids tau..
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tulis surat trbuka mcm ni pun dh kena tindakan.. adoi... |
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Aku tak nmpk apa yg kepentingan LGBT ni smpi termasuk dlm isu diskriminasi ?
Diskriminasi apa yg dimaksudkan? |
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Post time 12-8-2018 03:56 PM
