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[EDISI TAKUT DIKECAM] Calling all provax mari kasi rapat | Covid-19 vaccination
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ninjago replied at 7-7-2021 12:49 PM
itula. dok diam2 je tunggu dapat date. husband i pun belum dapat jgk puas tilik mysejahtera pg pet ...
Yeah...aman2 saja. Kenapa nk kalut..tiap satu yg terjdi atas izin Allah jua. Kita jalani hidup srprti biasa dan teruskan SOP.. ha itu penting! |
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Amin 
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Itu yg sebaiknya....
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Iols pilih amek vaksin covid19 ni 50% utk diri sndri sbb kena kerja n nk normal life back... 50% lg utk org2 tersayang keliling iols..titik.
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saya belum kena vaksin..1 family belum...malas aku nak cakap...letih sudah...yg pasti kami sudah pernah kena sakit C19 last year...
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hari ni rasa nya abam @ultra78 dapat second dose..tolong hapdet sini  |
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aechae replied at 7-7-2021 06:45 AM
Iols pilih amek vaksin covid19 ni 50% utk diri sndri sbb kena kerja n nk normal life back... 50% lg ...
Akak dah buat homework dr tahun lepas.
Akak yakin, usaha dan tawakal.
Anti vaksin tak memberi kesan pon dlm idop akak.
Akak nak keluor rumah taknak besok2 kena selsema sikit jer akak menggelabah tertanya-tanya.
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Edited by Samerosie at 7-7-2021 03:59 PM
Haiyo, susah la dik ko punya soalan. Soalan objective tak de ke, ke gores dan menang pun ok lagi dek.
Karang i cakap2 orang lain triggered susah la dik. Iols used to be atas pagar tapi bukan pegar, but now I dah tetapkan niat untuk ambil vaccine walaupun takut juga wei siapa tak takut. Masa beranak czer pun takut gak tapi tawadhuk dulu, find solution baru redha is my motto. Life has to go on, lagipun aku dah rimas anak aku tanya bila nak pergi school.
Cutter case tu cannot la apple to apple. It was in the 50s kut, banyak benda yg sekarang considered taboo tapi dulu kira ok. The Cutter polio vaccine case tu iols tak familiar tapi quick research la tadi. Semua pelakon tak bersalah. Bila the vaccine was founded by scientist tu dia guna formaldehyde to inactivated the virus. Formaldehyde dik, sekarang dengar je ayat tu semua orang pun takut. So yg si vaccine manufacturer (Cutter) ni dia buat safe lagi, dia guna asbestos filter to avoid using Formaldehyde, dan berjaya. Bila dah berjaya semua orang celebrate lps tu mulalah permintaan beribu2 lemon dan sebab nak cepat, si Cutter ni dia ganti asbestos filter ni ke glass filter. That was how the vaccine got tainted. Bila batches were tested on monkey, the investigator found out monkeys tu lumpuh kena polio. Masa tu dah banyak dah dicucuk kat orang dek nak buat camne. At the end, the manufacturer was not found guilty sebab dia dah ikut segala SOP tapi found guilty bila dia kata vaccine dia safe to use. But after this case, semua orang tak nak buat vaccine dah takut kena sue. After this case jugalah, vaccine manufacturers di indemnified by law, you cannot sue them for compensation, but you can get compensation if kerajaan you ada bagi macam RM500K tu la. More info on Historical Vaccine Safety Concerns
Anyway, jgn di tanya mortality rate zaman2 tuk nenek kat malaya ni mana nak tau. Orang melayu dulu sakit sakit tak nampak ni dia kata terlanggar anak jin, kena sihir bagai so figures may not be accurate pun. Tetapi if you nak feel good reading baca ni, it has 600 over citations. Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States in comparison to mortality rate for covid-19 is at 1.7% kat USA, paling tinggi (ni dakyah anti vax yg depa duk ciduk2 tepek kat sini mostly from USA kan ha ambil ko nak). Kenapa tinggi rate, tak tau, tapi tengok je la tv news buat conclusion sendirik.
Hoi panjang nya penat lah. At the end it is you. You have a choice, you choose the best for you. Tak nak vaccine pun boleh, ada risk, nak vaccine pun boleh, pun ada risk. Tapi orang2 yg decided to take the vaccine, tak de pun pistol kat kepala derang paksa cuma they have made that decision, if it helps, everybody will benefit, if it doesnt work, the war will still go on, and like every war, there is casulty, cuma how much would you accept before you stop. Tu je.
Update: Eh lupa nak add, family I, husband is duduk atas pagar tengok apa jadi. My mum and cyst dah selamat AZ first dose, no problem. By this time esok, I would have received by 1st dose of sinovac.
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Edited by mbhcsf at 7-7-2021 03:58 PM
pertama sekali
i buat checklist untuk u self xplore and feel free to ask , even better your colleagues in infectious disease, physician atau those in health and edical sciences and epidemiologist
explore
1. the source of negative thoughts
2. the source of your underlying fear tu - dari mana datangnya sumber bacaan yg macam mana? daripada siapa? golongan mana?
3. Check how much do you now - beaseline about benda benda basic dulu
- virus
- mutation
- what are the differees between virus and other living entities
- what does virus do when it is inside the body
- then what is vaccine?
- apa fungsi vaccine?
- what is immunity
- innate
-acquired
then bila cover tu
- pi tengok what is meant by clinical trial
- how many phases
then dah boleh relate dengan find out what Covid-19 virus does to the lung especially.
Then baru cover
- covid-19 vaccines
- types of vaccines
- efficacy
- side effects
lepas tu
dalam epideiology covered benda ni
- relative risk
- odd ratio
istilah istilah epidemiology
dalam my sejahtera ke i tak silap i lah ade - penerangan tteng satu accine yg dia sbut pasal relative risk
odd ratio
concept confident interval
so pada i , bila self discovery macam ni dengan memalui proses pembelajaran tu sendiri you akan terpahat dlm pemikiran dan basis asas you
bagaimananak memahami situasi
dan guide you dalam decision making tu.
kenapa ada decide macam tu macam ni ?
ada knowledge based factor , ade other considerations.
- org you boleh rujuk
- doktor level consultant ke
epidemiologist ke
okay je
but once you have gotten the knowledge macam ni - then you faham kat mana okay you can manae to handle information dan siapa you nak pergi for further info.
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i think the barrier of knowledge is how to make sense of the risk or the portion tu ?
tapi persoalan yang i akn tanya how would you know u akan termasuk dalam golongan yg itu ke yg ini ? no one can give you the answers.
TAPI , bila tengok portion atau percentage yg takterkena adverse reaction lebih banyak the kenapa benda itu tak dihighlight tapi dihighlite ialah yg adverse out of X total recipient of vaccines.
The best is to know : what are the adverse reactions, tanya doktor apa yg patt diawais 24 jam atau 48 jam selepas.
what do i do with it .
insya ALLAH.
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Edited by mbhcsf at 7-7-2021 10:13 PM
i personally memang whtasapp org tertentu tentang thread forum ni and my sister. cuma apa yg dia cakap , hahaha depa anti vax ni penipu , jgn percaya and she said : i have seen org ygmneinggal akibat covid 19 lebih severe daripada fear of vaccine tu sendiri. sesiapa yg ada frontliners akan tahu.
u just cant beat the things they have gone thru, experienced and seen with their own eyes.
kta human - memang fear learning cepat otak kita belajar untuk serve fight and flight response
sebab tu scare mongering cepat org percaya.
key is ALLAH KNOWS everything. ikhtiar kita perlu as muslim. and you can choose nak ke tak nak .
informed consent - no one forces you to. But macam mane nak tahu how much informed you are ? ini kena knolwedge lah.
dan tawakkal.
tapi tlah jgn bawa news atau manipulasi berita. tu je. |
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- Akak nak keluor rumah taknak besok2 kena selsema sikit jer akak menggelabah tertanya-tanya.
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Aku ni ada side soft jugaklah dgn orang yg tak terima vax ni..tapi tak kepada anti vacx. Yang buta2 tak nak terima langsung vax ni yg aku dok terpikir...tiada guna langsung ke vaccine ni pada diorang? Xda baik langsung ke vaccine ni? Tak terfikir langsung ke selama ni contoh vaccine rabies lah kan..kalau tak vac sebaik digigit anjing yg kena infected rabise, 100% mati tau tak? Jadi nak tuduh vaccine tak ada guna langsung is nonsense. Sampai hasut orang2 tua jangan amik vaccine..tuduh org islam sendiri agen yahudi dan sebagainya . |
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yang antivac bumi leper anti sains nih golongan yang bodoh
sama macam golongan provaksin yang backup macam nak mati seolah-olah vaksin covid nih dibawa turun dari surga oleh malaikat
semua orang ada hak untuk terima vaksin atau tidak
macam bangkem, bangkem dari awal ragu2 dengan vaksin untuk covid nih
terbukti sudah bila ada negara yang tak terima vaksin yang dibuat oleh sesetengah negara
kalau dorang pon ragu2, so...
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i dah ambil 2nd dose vaksin (Sinovac) 26/6
1st dose, i tak rasa kena inject pun and semua okey je
2nd dose, ada rasa kena inject dan sengal tangan kiri. 2 hari rasa lenguh2 badan.
alhamdulillah, now dah back to normal.
so harapnya boleh rentas negeri soon.
lama dah tak balik kg ni.
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Macam soal memilih jodoh & urusan2 kehidupan yg lain, kita buat solat istikharah.
Samalah soal vaksin. |
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Hahaha...bukan hari ni lah..
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Diaorang tak yakin sebab diaorang tak berilmu dan tak nak cari ilmu pasal benda ni!
Entoh2 vudak kolej takpun seller shopee ubat cacing dan habbatus sauda.
Takde beza lah dek tolak atau mau amek pun sebab standard of living diaorang camtu je..flat cam otak diaorang.
Kita yg famili ni lah yang nak keluar rumah, buat kerja, nak anak masuk uni/kolej, nak sambung kerja, naik pangkat,etc.... masih ada future cerah.
Diarang mungkin level yang kau kerja 24 jam sehari seminggu pon still takde future.
Malam2 dok tunggu dajjal datang je kerja nyo 
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today my mom..sis..bro kat Pilahdelphia g jab Pfizer...
so far family aku dan bff sekelian yg dah jab semua ok..
setakat sengal2 sikit...
paling teruk pun yg dapat AZ demam 2 hari...
mohon kita saling mendoakan satu sama lain...
sedih baca hilang family members ramai2...
kwn aku anak positif..dah st last saturday tak dapat lagi result smpi skrg..
4 out of 7 in the family kena simptom demam..batuk..hilang deria..cirit birit
now dah hampir pulih semua...
tapi x kompom positif ke idok...
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kyrana replied at 7-7-2021 09:02 AM
Macam soal memilih jodoh & urusan2 kehidupan yg lain, kita buat solat istikharah.
Samalah soal va ...
Kau usaha, yakin, tawakal..dah!
Jangan jd diaorang bebal usaha pon tak nak lepas tu promote alat bantuan exercise pernafasan dlm Shopee 39.90 sen.
Kalu virus boleh bercakap kena gelak je
Bodow tak hingat  |
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Post time 7-7-2021 01:14 PM
