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Kes kematian selepas lengkap vaksinasi lebih 1484 kes?
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heyyyyyy ... sesedap rasa mendungu kan saya ye .... u tahu ke kenapa saya tanya soalan tu?
i belum cukup dungu utk tidak tahu yg pabila kes + harian makin tinggi pasti lah bil kematian harian juga akan semakin tinggi .... 
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sepertiitu replied at 10-9-2021 02:26 PM
Iols setuju sebab both my grandparents ambik vaccines, pfizer to be exact, atok i 84 tahun, baru b ...
Syukur alhamdulillah |
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Ini Bell's Palsy. Orang yg tak ambil vaccine pun boleh dapat. The cause is unknown tapi it is temporary. First time I jumpa kes ni in the early 90s when 2 of my colleagues kena.
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yang tak vaccine tu lagi banyakkkkkkk......yg tak vaccine lagi banyak
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Edited by mbhcsf at 10-9-2021 03:46 PM
bila tak boleh argue , personal attacking , i dah lekat and tempek article tu but u dont understand it , perhaps it is too difficult kot. tak pe.
sebab ia statistik and kena faham itu. org yg anti vac saja yg tulis benda dia tak faham.
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this is interesting, bagus macam ni data visual senang nampak.
sangat terang lagi bersuluh perbandingan kadar mortaliti atau kematian group vaccinee and non vaccinee.
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Ada forumer dok tanya kenapa vaccinated person takut dengan unvaccinated. Banyak kali explain pun derang takan faham kaka. Mainly, pasal breakthrough infection/death ni lah. Jenuh la explained tapi tak faham2 jugak. Derang hanya nak dengar apa yg derang agreeable je.
Study kat Singapore on real people dan bukan dalam petri dish atau tabung uji, showed that while the vaccinated and unvaccinated viral load dia sama, tapi in vaccinated person, the virus dies off within 7 days tapi unvaccinated carried out longer. The chances of vaccinated people spreading it low and usually kalau derang +ve covid they are symptomatics so derang aware. But with unvaccinated people the rate of infection in unvaccinated people is five times the rate of infection in vaccinated people.
Memang la vaccinated people insyallah, kalau kena stage 1 & 2 jer, tapi data yg TT tepek kan likelihood of people over 60 dying from covid after 2 dose is high. Kau tak nak vaccine, kau masuk kerja, kau infect orang lain, lepas tu orang tu balik rumah duduk same house dgn aging parents, children yg kalau kena mungkin teruk, worse even dead kalau ada comorbidities. Tapi tu semua derang tak fikir. Sebab deyols dengan parents derang and anak2 derang kebal makan HS madu je kut, so kenapa vaccinated sheeples nak takut lak dengan alami iver pipels. Makes no sensation bethol!
Tak kena kat family sendiri pandai la cakap - acik forumer.
Fallacy fallacy - minah rempits
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Ya tapi masalahnya orang yang dah vaksin tu yang dibenarkan berkeliaran ke sana sini dengan tempoh masa 7 hari baru la virus dalam badan mati. Sedangkan yang tak vaksin kena duduk rumah diam diam tak boleh ke sana ke mari.
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Samerosie replied at 10-9-2021 03:28 PM
Ada forumer dok tanya kenapa vaccinated person takut dengan unvaccinated. Banyak kali explain pun ...
Thank you for sharing the live data from Singapore.
Hope if ada lagi more information regarding vaccines sis banyak2 share here ye |
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dan pada pendapat awak, kenapa ?
org yg tak vaccine kena duduk diam dalam rumah?
kalau tengok data data tang kadar kematian , bilangan kematian mana yg lebih tinggi ?
kalau tengok data keterukan symptoms mana yg lebih teruk , kumpulan mana?
org dah vaccine boleh dibenarkan bekerja dalam ambience atau sekitaran yang wujud org lain yg dah vaccine?
in fact Singapore pun dah nak longgarkan, tang bab keluar bekerja.
kenapa ?
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Samerosie replied at 10-9-2021 11:21 AM
Ini original tweet DG, betul la dia report tu tapi yg di highlight 4 deaths aje by pakar2 telegram. ...
tp yg 4 org mati tu jgk dorg duk sebut sampai skrg |
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Edited by asmurai at 10-9-2021 04:01 PM
Maksudnya dalam tempoh 7 hari itu orang yg dah vaksin pun masih boleh menyebarkan virus juga lah. Dan by September ini orang yang vaksin awal masa bulan 4 ada kemungkinan dah berkurang keberkesanan vaksin sebab dah nak masuk 6 bulan selepas vaksin.
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noor2 replied at 9-9-2021 07:51 PM
Tq info yang telus....seriously 2800 kes....bnyk betul...tapi yg lengkap vaksin yg mati ni ada peny ...
Dengar berita cakap dari 0.009% (dalam 2900
orang) tu, lebih 80% ada comorbidity dan berusia lebih 60. |
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Edited by Samerosie at 10-9-2021 04:23 PM
Bukan saya yg cakap sendiri speku ye, ni Dr. Ashish K. Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health (please note bukan so called "pakar vaksin" yg sebenarnya doctor haiwan).
What’s the chance of a vaccinated person spreading Covid-19?
While unvaccinated people are by far at highest risk for catching and spreading Covid-19, it’s also possible for a vaccinated person to become infected and transmit the illness to others. A recent outbreak in Provincetown, Mass., where thousands of people gathered in bars and restaurants, showed that vaccinated people can sometimes spread the virus.
Even so, many experts believe the risk of getting infected from a vaccinated person is still relatively low. Dr. Jha noted that after an outbreak among vaccinated and unvaccinated workers at the Singapore airport, tracking studies suggested that most of the spread by vaccinated people happened when they had symptoms.
“When we’ve seen outbreaks, like those among the Yankees earlier in the year and other cases, almost always people are symptomatic when they’re spreading,” Dr. Jha said. “The asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic spread could happen, but we haven’t seen it among vaccinated people with any frequency.”
“The big question is can five people sit around a table unmasked if we know they’re all vaccinated,” Dr. Jha said. “I think the answer is yes. The chances of anybody spreading the virus in that context is exceedingly low. And if someone does spread the virus, the other people are not going to get super sick from it. ....”
What’s my risk of getting Covid if I’m vaccinated?
To understand why there is no simple answer to this question, think about another common risk: driving in a snowstorm. While we know that tens of thousands of people are injured or killed each year on icy roads, your individual risk depends on local conditions, the speed at which you travel, whether you’re wearing a seatbelt, the safety features on your car and whether you encounter a reckless driver on the road.
Your individual risk for Covid after vaccination also depends on local conditions, your overall health, the precautions you take and how often you are exposed to unvaccinated people who could be infected.
Note: Edit to tambah last para.
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Ok, sekarang kita cuba reverse pula, katakan yg vaccinated ni dia +ve tapi dia gi jugak office ke mana ke sebab dia selfish. Terkena pula jangkitan kepada yg tak vaccine ni. You rasa apa kesudahan cerita nya?
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Babai replied at 10-9-2021 04:06 PM
Dengar berita cakap dari 0.009% (dalam 2900
orang) tu, lebih 80% ada comorbidity dan berusia leb ...
Oh...ok..tq info.... |
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4 tu sensasi (tapi tak nampak ke ada gak 80 yg tak fully complete dose pun ninggal). Kalau hari2 biasa, habis kena kecam sebab 3 of 4 foreigners khuenz.... katanya padan muka kau Patiyana
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Samerosie replied at 10-9-2021 03:28 PM
Ada forumer dok tanya kenapa vaccinated person takut dengan unvaccinated. Banyak kali explain pun ...
Kemarin aku tengok video zdogmd..dia buat interview dgn medical doc kat sana ada mention pasal singapore buat study pasal content virus kat hidung vac vs unvac. (Yg positive covid, of coz)..katanya bila saintis culture virus sample vac people, mostly virus yg dah tak aktif..berbeza dgn unvac sample virus mostly virus aktif..thats y unvac people more contagious kesimpulannya...
Uolls terer bab cari jurnal2 studies bagai ni kan..cuba cari kan..ada tak study tu? |
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KJ tetibe bagi data yang hantam vaksin ni korang tau2 ler kenapa
sebelum ni DG cakap 4 orang je yang fully vaxx meninggal akibat kobis(data 19 august)
takkan tak sampai sebulan mencanak naik jadi 2000 kot?
awal2 lagi umno memang dah cakap taknak fokus kepada vaksin sahaja
bangkem tak heran pon kalau pasnih IVM dihalalkan penggunaannya
bakal menggelupur kepedasanlah penagih vaksin mendengarnya |
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Bila buka mulut sila pastikan apa yg keluar adalah bukan buih buih buih buih yg tak boleh di gapai.
Cincai calculation jer based on world data on Malaysian death rate from date of tweet tu 18 Aug, 19 Aug ke 9 Sept. death toll. In fact, secara logic pun tak payah nak calculate kalau dah sehari pun 200+ death seminggu je pun dah 1000 lebih orang. Jgn kata tak payung.
https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19
19-Aug 178
20-Aug 233
21-Aug 223
22-Aug 232
23-Aug 174
24-Aug 211
25-Aug 265
26-Aug 393
27-Aug 339
28-Aug 252
29-Aug 285
30-Aug 295
31-Aug 282
01-Sep 278
02-Sep 249
03-Sep 330
04-Sep 362
05-Sep 336
06-Sep 272
07-Sep 311
08-Sep 361
09-Sep 323
Total 6184
so tak boleh 2000 tu masuk termasuk dalam 6000 tu ye?
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