Lesson from Aceh tragedy

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-4 02:07 AM:
So why did allah choose to protect an object rather than his believers ?

EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON.
You say that there are no miracles in Islam - only in your faith? How wrong you are?  What Allah does we do not question. Only fools will question what Allah will do. What HE has shown us is that by HIS WILL and only THROUGH HIS WILL, He can make the impossible be possible. The unbelievable be believed. To show a miracle in any form HE so wishes. In despair, there is hope. That is why you Christians can only live to see the so-called "EVIL" and "BAD" in Islam. What Allah did in Acheh was not to save only mosques [ an object] but rather that even in disaster, Allah still stands with the Ummah. The standing mosques are "beacons of faith - lighthouses", signs to many survivors that reminds them that they do not walk alone. Allah saved the mosques so that these affected Moslems know that Allah is with them in their hour of need and can find solace in the standing mosques. Now you know why -don't you?

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 4-2-2005 at 02:24 AM ]

Debmey

meaning to say, you have no idea why Allah was so crazy then.
Thanky vely much sir.

every religion have their own resp. tales of miracles.

if we were to publish on these boards it ll take a gig of hd space.

from resurrection to miracle cures from cancer - to faces of god in cakes and food material (khalima? sp?)   to visions in the skies to churches surviving fire storm to favourite mosques left standing in tidal waves. Fuzzman BTW you made no mention of all the other structures which were spared in the mentioned thread.


>>> The standing mosques are "beacons of faith - lighthouses", signs to many survivors that reminds them that they do not walk alone. Allah saved the mosques so that these affected Moslems know that Allah is with them in their hour of need and can find solace in the standing mosques. Now you know why -don't you? <<<<

if allah is with them in their hour of need - surely he could pluck them from the marauding tides.

all i know is the liverpool FC supporters never walk alone. for all others - i dunno.

DivinePonytail

Originally posted by whitepig at 4-2-2005 07:20 AM:
all i know is the liverpool FC supporters never walk alone. for all others - i dunno.

You're one funny guy, you know that whitepig.
:tq:

13Friday

230,000 dead bodies or mosques?

babybueno

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Originally posted by 13Friday at 4-2-2005 12:24 PM:
230,000 dead bodies or mosques?  [/qoute]



both.

Do you think that those who died are bad people and lless important compare to those who still survive? Do you consider that god is cruel for taking someone's life? Do you think the mosques are more important to god compare to 230,000 dead bodies? If you say "yes" for the answers,  sorry to say that you're a plain stupid!

when someone dies he may lost connection with the world and with those who still alive but he still have connection with his god in after life!

Fuzzman

Originally posted by 13Friday at 2005-2-4 12:24 PM:
230,000 dead bodies or mosques?

It's more like 230,000 dead bodies or faith?
What happens - happens, and there's nothing however much nobody can anything to reverse or stop it from happening. All things happen for a reason. God sent Moses for a reason but he never let up the secret of the whereabouts of the body of Moses. God sent Hagar to Abraham for a reason. God sent Jesus for a reason too! God sent Mohammad for a reason. The Great Flood. You people had no qualms about that? The plague that followed in Egypt. You people had no qualms about that?

But no matter what today, there is ample proofs to show around the world, that God stands by his affected Ummah no matter what and those standing mosques are signs of it.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

We do not question the need for God's wrath sometimes or nature, but if you Muslims claim that the mosque in Bandar Acheh was divinely protected, then we need to question why Allah did not protect the people around as well and why did allah protect an object over thousands of his believers.

peace

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-4 07:39 PM:
We do not question the need for God's wrath sometimes or nature, but if you Muslims claim that the mosque in Bandar Acheh was divinely protected, then we need to question why Allah did not protect  ...

If you can answer me as to why those who believed in God but perished in the Great Flood too - then I am sure you would have your answer.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

The real question is, why would allah protected the mosque but not his believers surrounding it? What for? Object more important than humans?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-4 09:47 PM:
The real question is, why would allah protected the mosque but not his believers surrounding it? What for? Object more important than humans?

I have to admit that your operations manual requires you to play dumb when you have no way out. As far as Fuzzman is concerned, it's alright to do so. Saves you some face from total shame.

The real question is, why do you think that Allah is "pretecting" the mosques but not followers? Explain if you can.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

I think allah did not protect anything to begin with. The mosque was simply better built to stand the tsunami.
It is teh vanity and insecurity of muslims that made up this story that allah somehow proteceted the mosque.
Allah simplyu don't exist in reality or it will be a laiughing stoick.

orcish

hmm why everything is related to religion either islam or christians.. the earth is dying and we just blaming each other hmm..

Fuzzman

Debmey wrote: I think allah did not protect anything to begin with. The mosque was simply better built to stand the tsunami. It is teh vanity and insecurity of muslims that made up this story that allah somehow proteceted the mosque. Allah simplyu don't exist in reality or it will be a laiughing stoick.

You've just made "laughing stock" because you know not of the might of Tsunamis and  the power of destruction it brings. The kinetic force of the waves are very powerful on its own. Imagine the add-on pushing force from debris that gain momentum as they ride with the incoming waves that push inland? No wall or concrete structure can take that kind of continous pounding unless the structure proper was surrounded by other much more sturdier or fortified concrete structures or stood out of harm's way. From the photos Fuzzman's appended, it can clearly be seen that most of the mosques were standing on their lonesome without much surrounding buffer cover. So this proves that acts of God are indeed acts of God! Don't you just wanna drop dead just agreeing with the Fuzz!?

ARI FUZZMAN

13Friday

About the mosques thing, I think Muslims have idoloised that.

The Bible tells us that our bodies are the living temple of God, where the Holy Spirit dwells.  

God is not in the business of destroying Idols.  He prefers the believers of idols to destroy their own idols for transformation both within and without.

All these devastations are indicated in the Bible as in Amos 4.

Very hard to convince  non believers of Christ.

God has created man and can also destroy the disobedient ones.  God does not build mosques and church buildings.  God does not dwell in buildings, as it an insult to God and God only visit us when we are in worship and prayers in churches.

When all people perish, what good are the mosques for?

Such mosques should be removed by Muslims like they did to the Buddha Statutes in Bimiyam, Afghanistan and all follow Jesus Christ and let the dead bury the dead. Mathew 8:22

Anymore it is pointless to re-develop Aceh which is not habitable as a desert of bones and trash.

These greedy people want to rob others by misleading generous western donors.imagining they can invite those ghosts of millions to stay in smelly haunting places in Aceh and elsewhere.

Have we to wake up sooner?

Debmey

You've just made "laughing stock" because you know not of the might of Tsunamis and  the power of destruction it brings.

Tsunamis don't destroy reinforced concrete buildings with pillars larger than 20cm in width. Most low rise buidlings in Indonesia do not use reinforced concrete. Don't you know? The mosque is taller than 2 stories and do use reinforced concrete for construction.

The kinetic force of the waves are very powerful on its own. Imagine the add-on pushing force from debris that gain momentum as they ride with the incoming waves that push inland?

Ahahahahahaha......... thats a joke. Surely you must have forgotten Kinetic energy = MC2.
Moemetum = mass x velocity.
There is loss rather than gain in momentum due to the loss velocity by the waves carrying the debri.
All this is secondary school basic physcics bro. You need to go back to your cikgu.
Contrary to what you say, the debri actually cushions the kinetic force tremendously. This is common sense.

No wall or concrete structure can take that kind of continous pounding unless the structure proper was surrounded by other much more sturdier or fortified concrete structures or stood out of harm's way. From the photos Fuzzman's appended, it can clearly be seen that most of the mosques were standing on their lonesome without much surrounding buffer cover. So this proves that acts of God are indeed acts of God! Don't you just wanna drop dead just agreeing with the Fuzz!?

Reinforced concrete buildings no problem. Not to mention, the mosque was rather big and not at the sea front itself.  


So according to Fuzzy's logic, why did Allah save an object and not the thousands of muslims around it?

Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by 13Friday at 2005-2-5 09:54 PM:
About the mosques thing, I think Muslims have idoloised that.

The Bible tells us that our bodies are the living temple of God, where the Holy Spirit dwells.  

God is not in the business of de ...

My response:-

Tsunami is not abt idolatory at all. It's just a natural disaster like avalanche, twisters, typhoons, floods, landsliding, earthquakes, volcanoes etc - a sign that our planet is dying b'coz of the polluted environment, we cut down many trees, levelling hills & there's a hole in the ozone etc. Don't forget, Allah swt. is also sending a message to the human race.

And regarding the concrete mosques & Buddha idols still standing strong in the Tsunami - it got to do with strong foundation, building materials of good quality used to build the mosques etc. So pls get that right!

Anyway, on the other hand, there's a wooden mosque in Aceh survives when the Tsunami hit the village. All the wooden houses around the mosque being swept away except for that wooden mosque. Again a SIGN from Allah swt.! What could that mean anyway?

Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-5 10:28 PM:

Tsunamis don't destroy reinforced concrete buildings with pillars larger than 20cm in width. Most low rise buidlings in Indonesia do not use reinforced concrete. Don't you know? The mosque is tal ...

My response:-

Well Debmey, not everything can be explained with scientific explanation or logical reasonings (:lol tiru org kat LP Forum). What abt the wooden mosque that still stand strong in Aceh? What abt a Hindu temple & a church in Andaman that got destroyed in the Tsunami? If I'm not mistaken, both temple & church are concrete buildings too. Maybe they're old buildings but the mosques in Aceh are also old buildings.

Baiduri Othman

Debmey, are you still online? Could you pls respond to my post above?

Debmey

Where is the wooden mosque? Please show us and pictures of the surrounding area.

So why did allah save objects and not people? Why save sopme mosques and not save some mosques? Any clues to the crazy nature of allah?