Nick Perelman: DID GOD OR MAN GIVE YOU THE ISRAEL OF TODAY?

Debmey

You will be very disapointed Fuzzy. Our doctrines are strong and we know what we are talking about, you don't. Thats why you have no answers to what we have presented.

Do you want me to show you from the Quran that Israel belong to Jews?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 29-5-2006 10:20 AM
Do you know where is Mt.Zion? If Zionism does talk about Israel, it isn't Zionism anymore.

LOL. You're out in the cold for sure on this one Debmey, although I appreciate your earnest. Just let the green frog answer this one okay?

ARI FUZZMAN

Originally posted by Debmey at 29-5-2006 10:20 AM



Do you know where is Mt.Zion?
If Zionism does talk about Israel, it isn't Zionism anymore.

We're not talking about the word "Zion".... we're talking about your barbaric Zionism movement

Debmey

his answer will be the same as mine fuzzy. There is no confusion.
The idea of zionism itself doesn't come with the zionist movement which was just a term coined in the 1800s.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 29-5-2006 10:31 AM
his answer will be the same as mine fuzzy. There is no confusion.
The idea of zionism itself doesn't come with the zionist movement which was just a term coined in the 1800s.

If the green frog refuses to answer, then only will you have your chance. I'm positively sure that the green frog is very much able when it comes to very easy questions from me. So stop being so impatient and give the green frog some breathing space aight. Best wishes.

ARI FUZZMAN

Originally posted by Debmey at 29-5-2006 10:31 AM
his answer will be the same as mine fuzzy. There is no confusion.
The idea of zionism itself doesn't come with the zionist movement which was just a term coined in the 1800s.

Quote:

"One means of misleading many Jews and all too many non-Jews is the Zionist misuse of names and symbols sacred in Judaism. They use the holy name Israel for their Zionist state. They have named their land acquisition fund with a term that traditionally implies the reward for piety, good deeds, and charitable work. They have adopted as a state symbol the menorah (candlebrum). What hypocrisy, what perversion it is to have the Israeli army fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach (on the occasion of a previous return to the Holy Land) as, "not with armed force and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts.""


:http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html

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Fuzzman

Aww shucks Debmey, let me be will ya! I'm thinking! I'm thinking!

[ Last edited by  Fuzzman at 29-5-2006 10:45 AM ]

Debmey

Originally posted by KENNKID at 29-5-2006 10:36 AM



Quote:

"One means of misleading many Jews and all too many non-Jews is the Zionist misuse of names and symbols sacred in Judaism. They use the holy name Israel for their Zionist state ...

Still no scriptural backing.

Originally posted by Debmey at 29-5-2006 11:28 AM


Still no scriptural backing.

Scriptural backing from the rabbis:


:http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/scriptures/torah/tanach.pdf

:http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/scriptures/torah/tanach2.pdf

:http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/scriptures/torah/tanach3.pdf

:dia: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/scriptures/index.cfm

[ Last edited by  KENNKID at 29-5-2006 11:47 AM ]

Debmey

why all those links cannot be assesed?

why don't you past em here?

Are you prepared to defend them?

Originally posted by Debmey at 29-5-2006 11:51 AM
why all those links cannot be assesed?


Are you prepared to defend them?

Cannot be assessed?   

You mean they're under pdf file? Well, the rabbis decided so.. you can always change them..

The rabbis are defending them..

Debmey

so you haven't even read them yet huh?

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by KENNKID at 29-5-2006 09:35 AM


Read what I pasted and the link again piroth... they are the words of an anti-Zionist Jewish Rabbi

Neturei Karta are tiny sect, less than 0.1% of world Jewish population, they dont have any right to speak on behalf of Jewish nation.

The question:  Where was the first choice made by the Father of Zionism for the state of Israel?

In Israel of course!

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 29-5-2006 12:50 PM

Neturei Karta are tiny sect, less than 0.1% of world Jewish population, they dont have any right to speak on behalf of Jewish nation.


In Israel of course!

"There has been times before in Jewish history, as related in the Bible, when the masses were misled and only a minority of Jews clung to the true mission of the Jewish people. One of the first such of the occasions was the worship of the golden calf; today we unfortunately see a repetition of this, with the Zionist state now being the object of worship. Until the appearance and growing influence of political Zionism, Jewish leaders were chosen on the basis of their piety, decency, learning, and their love of justice and mercy. Today only too often so-called Jewish leaders, completely unqualified under Jewish law and traditional concepts, make pronouncements and decisions in the name and on behalf of the Jewish people. This is particularly true in the USA where there is the largest Jewish community in our time. I can never forget the remark of a woman in Oklahoma: "Isn't today's Judaism wonderful! All you have to do is give money.""


:http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html

Nick_Perelman

Bla bla bla. I repeat again, this extremelly tiny dumb sect has not whatsoever right to talk on behalf of Jewish nation.

I just wonder, how this tiny sect, that has not computers and even TV sets at home, holds so many sites in different languages. For sure they get some "help" from Arab friends.

Debmey

and still no scriptural reference.
To kennkid, anybody with a beard and a black hat is a rabbi. No wonder he became a muslim.

Debmey

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 29-5-2006 12:50 PM

Neturei Karta are tiny sect, less than 0.1% of world Jewish population, they dont have any right to speak on behalf of Jewish nation.


In Israel of course!

Thats the lame tactic Kennkid and other muslims do all the time. They choose some weidos and try to show Christians and Jews to be wrong.

He's lame and he's low in integrity. Islam made him that way.

Originally posted by Debmey at 29-5-2006 01:57 PM
and still no scriptural reference.
To kennkid, anybody with a beard and a black hat is a rabbi. No wonder he became a muslim.

You and Nick can deny all you like. The scriptural reference is there. Your comment "No wonder he became a Muslim" is uncalled for and has no relevance. The fact is there are Jews who oppose Zionism based on the teachings of Judaism. The world knows how barbaric Zionists are and how oppressive they are.

For you to read:



Dear Mike:

I read your article at http://www.counterpunch.org/ladah03052003.html. The grief felt by those of us who are Orthodox Jews opposed to the abominable heresy of Zionism is multiplied in view of the implications of a war in Iraq rooted in the fact of Zionism being the source of all problems going on in the Middle East. As you will see from the websites indicated below, Zionism is a despicable heresy and desecration of Judaism in every single respect.

The Zionists do not represent anything Jewish, and are, in fact, the enemies of Judaism. They will have to account to G-d himself for all their crimes and sins against Jew and Palestinian. May G-d have mercy on all of us in these dark times. The websites are:

http://www.nkusa.org
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com
http://www.netureikarta.org
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
http://www.netureikartauk.org



Regards,

David


:http://www.ladah.org/article48.htm

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Debmey

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 29-5-2006 01:06 PM
Bla bla bla. I repeat again, this extremelly tiny dumb sect has not whatsoever right to talk on behalf of Jewish nation.

I just wonder, how this tiny sect, that has not computers and even TV set ...

Don't worry Nick, we Christians overwhelmingly support Zionism. We know who the land belongs to and the injustice these Muslims have exacted on Jews. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Debmey

Originally posted by KENNKID at 29-5-2006 02:07 PM


You and Nick can deny all you like. The scriptural reference is there. Your comment "No wonder he became a Muslim" is uncalled for and has no relevance. The fact is there are Jews who ...

I clicked on that link, it showed no scriptures.