Bukan Islam x bleh masuk Mekah n Madinah? (merged) + Ustaz_Sufi?

niceghost2005

Dulu ada oghang kapiaq kater.............

Ini adalah DISKRIMINASI terhadap oghang kapiaq!!!


Kui kui kui

mrs_halia

Originally posted by mr_fazz at 21-9-2006 11:36 PM
memang non muslim takleh masuk tanah haram tu
if masuk, memang something gonna happen
sebab mekah is like terlalu SUCI and non muslim tak layak masuk kawasan tu

and memang, banyak perkara2 yan ...

citelah pasal experinece u pi umrah dulu..u nampak apa apa yg terjadi?????

Nape?Tak caye?

YA saya pun nak baca

M5

Originally posted by antiQue at 21-9-2006 09:42 PM


Yang lebih utamanya, kita tahu bahawa Allah menyebut di dalam Qur'an bahawa mereka tidak boleh memasuki kota Makkah. So jangan lah bawa kawan non-muslim kita masuk melebihi takat signboard tu

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Boleh antiQue bawa sandaran yg mengatakan Allah melarang kafir masuk kota Makkah


Q9:26 macam yg ibnur bawakan?

antiQue

Originally posted by M5 at 22-9-2006 10:28 PM



Boleh antiQue bawa sandaran yg mengatakan Allah melarang kafir masuk kota Makkah


Q9:26 macam yg ibnur bawakan?

Apa yg saya maksudkan sebenarnya bukan kota Makah in the sense of Kota Makah keseluruhannya. I mean Masjidil Haram.

That's a ralat in the choice of words, I must admit.

But at the end of my post tu, I ada tulis "jangan bawa masuk melebihi takat signboard".

[ Last edited by  antiQue at 22-9-2006 11:04 PM ]

M5

Originally posted by antiQue at 22-9-2006 11:02 PM


Apa yg saya maksudkan sebenarnya bukan kota Makah in the sense of Kota Makah keseluruhannya. I mean Masjidil Haram.

That's a ralat in the choice of words, I must admit.

But at the end of  ...

Bukanke signboard tu diletakkan kat entrance ke kota Makkah dan tidak di entrance ke Masjidil Haram?  Dan restriction ni bukan setakat dikenakan di kota Makkah, tetapi kota Madinah juga.  

Seringkali kita kaitkan dgn nama Tuhan bila dengar larangan kpd kafir yg tak dibenarkan masuk ke tempat2 suci.  Hakikatnya Tuhan tidak ada menyebut perkara2 ini didlm al Qur'an.  Even nama masjidil haram  juga tidak merujuk kepada banggunan fizikal yg diertikan sebagai masjid.  Sila ke thread berkaitan Isra Mikraj bagi melihat justifikasi dan sandaran saya.

Anyway, jika sesiapa yg pernah dengar nama Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton (March 19, 1821

ct_og

Originally posted by M5 at 23-9-2006 01:09 AM


Bukanke signboard tu diletakkan kat entrance ke kota Makkah dan tidak di entrance ke Masjidil Haram?  Dan restriction ni bukan setakat dikenakan di kota Makkah, tetapi kota Madinah juga.  

S ...

Boleh M5 pastikan dengan yakin yang dia tu bukan Islam masa dia buat 'Haji' tu.... mungkin dia Islam... sebab tu dia tak hilang.... Apa-apa pun Allah jua yang Maha Mengetahui.

Redxerr

lecturer aku cakap memang non muslim x dibenar menjejak kaki di mekah dan madinah

alhaadi2

Originally posted by tiM at 23-9-2006 02:31 PM

Sekadar nak membuktikan bahawa ia hilang kalau bukan islam ke situ senang jerrr. Bagi kebenaran seorg yg sukarela utk hilang masuk. Halau hilang nyawa, saya yakin mungkin tapi hilang fizikan mac ...

cam yg saya dah beritahu, selagi x terbukti benda ni hanyalah sekadar khabar angin. Bukan Islam cuma x dibenarkan masuk ke Mekah dan Madinah. Bukannya nak hilangkan/ghaibkan diorang ntah ke mana??

Tim, apa kata awak jadi sukarela...:hmm:

Redxerr

Originally posted by alhaadi2 at 23-9-2006 03:06 PM

cam yg saya dah beritahu, selagi x terbukti benda ni hanyalah sekadar khabar angin. Bukan Islam cuma x dibenarkan masuk ke Mekah dan Madinah. Bukannya nak hilangkan/ghaibkan diorang ntah ke mana? ...

:setuju: ada berani ka??

actuallly there's nothing to it. sapa-sapa non-muslims nak pergo ke mekah, nothing will happen. bukan macam bermuda triangle. the only reason, dalam quran tak benarkan non-muslim kesitu ialah becos mereka menanggung perkara yang membatalkan ibdat umpamanya tidak suci dari hadas kecil/besar, tidak mandi junub atau selepas memakan makanan yang tidak halal. untuk mengelakkan hal-hal begitu, diadakan rules yang begitu. tapi kalau ditakdirkan sesiapa non-muslim petgi, dia tidak akan berada dalam bahaya. cuma akan menggangu orang islam beribadah.

ibnur

dulu lebih 6 tahun dulu dah.  aku masuk forum islamicity ada satu mamat dari california yg mengakui duduk kat mekah utk cuba meminda alquran dan murtadkan muslim. tapi dia kata memang payah.  last-last dia yg masuk islam.  tak tau la betul ke dia punya cerita ni atau dia saja reka utk strateji seterusnya.

Nape?Tak caye?

Originally posted by ct_og at 23-9-2006 09:40 AM



Boleh M5 pastikan dengan yakin yang dia tu bukan Islam masa dia buat 'Haji' tu.... mungkin dia Islam... sebab tu dia tak hilang.... Apa-apa pun Allah jua yang Maha Mengetahui.

alangkah baiknya M5 pergi untuk membuktikannya

seri06

mmg betul non muslim tak boleh masuk tanah haram tu...
sebelum masuk mekah tu akan ada check point kat situ..nanti ada polis check pasport kita,
nak tahu samada you ni muslim or not. ada signborad besar tertulis kat situ, non muslim tak
boleh masuk mekah.

St.Yeepi

Nie ada kisah sedikit pasal Commando French yang ikut serta semasa rampasan di Masjidil Haram.

On November 20, 1979, the heavily armed and provisioned Islamic fundamentalists, consisting of peninsular Arabs, and a few Egyptians, many of whom had been enrolled in Islamic studies at the Islamic University of Medina, took over and besieged Al-Masjid al-Haram in Mecca. The seizure by the dissidents (men and women) was led by Juhaiman ibn Muhammad ibn Saif al Utaibi, who belonged to a powerful Sunni family of Najd. He said that his justification was that the ruling Al Saud dynasty had lost its legitimacy, because it was corrupt, ostentatious and had destroyed Saudi culture by an aggressive policy of Westernization. [1]

Despite Juhaiman's careful planning, the takeover began badly, when a guard was shot dead by one of the nervous dissidents, a major desecration of the site under Islamic law. Bloodshed is strictly prohibited in Mecca.

The siege initially left the Saudi government paralyzed. Before taking any military action at the holy site, the Saudi government secured the permission of the religious establishment, when the ulama had to issue a dispensation to allow the bearing of arms in a holy place. But the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG) proved to be an ineffective response force. 127 were reported to have been killed in their attempt to regain control.

Two weeks after the siege began, Jordanian and French security forces retook the shrine in a battle which left approximately 250 dead, and 600 wounded. Jordanian and French troops reportedly entered the Grand Mosque and flooded it with water, applied electricity to it, and electrocuted most of the rebels. Other reports said that paralyzing gas was used. Still others say the highly trained French GIGN counter-terrorist commandos led the assault after receiving an instant conversion to Islam by Saudi religious leaders.

The Jordanians and French had been called in only after the anxiety created in the poor results from assaults by the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG). Al Utaibi was later revealed to be a member of SANG and some guardsmen were reported to have joined the rebels. This would have been especially shocking to the Saudi ruling family. The Saudi Army was not used, because it is comprised of the poorer elements of Saudi society, while SANG's officers come from the upper strata. SANG was established as the crown prince's "personal army" and to protect the royal family from a coup by the regular military. To ensure loyalty, SANG is mainly recruited from the tribes that have traditionally been most loyal to the al Saud family.

The poor results of SANG's assaults had led to the calling in of the French and Jordanians. Confusion stems from the fact that the French role has been downplayed, or ignored, because non-Muslims are not allowed in the Holy City of Mecca and especially the Grand Mosque enclosing the Sacred Kaaba. The Saudis, worried about their legitimacy in the Islamic world, do not mention the French in their official stories. Other official type statements say they were only used as advisors. Thus the number of French GIGN used varies from 3 to 40.

Originally posted by alhaadi2 at 23-9-2006 02:06 PM

cam yg saya dah beritahu, selagi x terbukti benda ni hanyalah sekadar khabar angin. Bukan Islam cuma x dibenarkan masuk ke Mekah dan Madinah. Bukannya nak hilangkan/ghaibkan diorang ntah ke mana? ...

tak mau... Yg pasti saya akan hilang nyawa. Org pergi melancung kat balipun boleh hilang nyawa apatah lagi pergi tempat yg dilarang tuuuu. Saya masih boleh pergi dengan menipu manusia bahawa saya memeluk islam. Saya pasti saya boleh kembali dengan selamat... tapi tak samapi hati nak menipu sekadar utk membantu kalian membuktikan kepercayaan itu.

antiQue

Dah lah tu.. jangan lah berbalah tentang tu.. tak ada faedahnya...

Tuhan pun tak cakap Dia akan apa-apakan non-muslim kat sana.. yg ada tu semua cerita manusia...

Asal thread ni dibuka hanya untuk tahu samada non-muslim boleh ke sana.. bincang tu saja lah.

M5

Originally posted by ct_og at 23-9-2006 09:40 AM



Boleh M5 pastikan dengan yakin yang dia tu bukan Islam masa dia buat 'Haji' tu.... mungkin dia Islam... sebab tu dia tak hilang.... Apa-apa pun Allah jua yang Maha Mengetahui.

Setahu saya bila dibaca sejarah kehidupan beliau, tidak pula dia kata dia convert ke "Islam".  Kalu nak saya sahkan dia Islam ke tidak, saya bukannya Tuhan.  But one thing for sure, dia purposely decide pergi ke Mekkah as part of his exploration programme setelah diberi perkenan oleh Royal Geographical Society.

Lihat Wiki-Richard_Francis_Burton
[quote]
First explorations and journey to Mecca (1851

niceghost2005

Salam kepada yg BUKAN ISLAM di forum ini.

Kepada komer yg nak BUKTIKAN hilang or idak...........PERGI jer laaa ke Mekah tu.
JANGAN dok bising2 kat sini.

Salam

sejuknya

Originally posted by nangada at 21-9-2006 03:45 PM


Mana ada crew bukan islam masuk kota mekah..dlm inside meca itu....semua nya islam.

sorry..sorry...bukan crew bukan islam boleh masuk tapi penggambaran dibenarkan utk merakamkan umat islam melakukan haji...sorry...sorry...