Graduates U Tak Fasih B Inggeris dan Faktor2nya

RedAlert · Post time 31-8-2006 09:07 AM

Originally posted by dexa at 30-8-2006 06:46 AM

sebenarnya there are plenty of jobs out there..
kita mesti pandai tackle aje...
honestly hari tu saya - ada banyak kerja
yang available -- client minta --
tapi tak ada candidate --

no ...

dexa, is that really true? that's good... sebab dari apa yang saya dengar, nak cari kerja kat M'sia sekarang amatlah susah.

just curious, what are the chances for a not-so-fresh graduate (say,.. someone who's 30 ++) to get a job?

lady_nF · Post time 31-8-2006 12:10 PM

Originally posted by macademia at 30-8-2006 03:18 PM
bundle..... tak kisah grammer tak betul...... janji kita belajar....buang perasaan malu tu.... lama2 okayla.....

pasal grammar tuh aku setuju sangat2
masa aku kecik grammar sangat tak betul...tp nasib baik aku suka membaca
so vocab aku power...walaupon aku sangat tak reti guna past/present tense
tp aku tak malu laaa nak speaking spekong nih walaupon aku sedar grammar tak betul

tp after masuk u baru laaa terer implement grammar...
sbb kena tulis banyak report dalam english
so learning process aaa
pastuh kalo salu speaking...biasanya grammar akan terbetul sendirik
sbb kita akan conscius penggunaan cam was and is kan...

tp aku rasa cam ramai yg tak berani speaking
segan...takut kena gelak
member aku masa kecik dulu stok yg jenis speaking ngan aku masa kecik (sampai sekarang aaa)
dia ada diploma je tp dapat keja orang yg ada degree
sbb english dia

so sangat sangat laa betul cakap orang2 di atas
kalo sedar tak reti speaking, confidence level susah
start with newspaper...jangan beli utusan...beli nst
read cover to cover....jgn baca news je...baca editorial skalik
plus kalo mampu...amiklaa kelas tuh
serius big investment

bundle · Post time 31-8-2006 12:11 PM

Originally posted by dexa at 29-8-2006 09:14 PM
first of all -- saya bukan hendak memandang rendah pada graduan2
dari local universiti in Malaysia --

tapi saya telah menjadi recruitment consultant dan berdepan sendiri
dengan graduan2 -- ini ...

but dexa not all local graduate cannot communicate in omputih.. May be not so fluently but a little mix confident tu ader..
just like us.. kat UiTM kita org grow up with english enviroment.. blajar, cakap, buku, kebanyakan dalam bahasa omputih.. bukan nak bangga tapi tu memand dah culture kita org.. nak xnak terpaksa..

so kes xfasih may be one of reason.. tapi cammne ngan yang fasih, CGPA pun tinggi tapi xder experience...
because mostly all of company nak kan candidate yang ader experience... so bagi dexa camne nak handle benda cam nie..

bundle · Post time 31-8-2006 12:16 PM

Originally posted by lizaldo at 30-8-2006 10:48 AM

telesales executive..

dah mintak dah ari tu.. dapat kat budak SPM sebab dak tu experience setahun dalam telesales.. actually not telesales but customer services ( nak lebih kurang lar function dia)

kads · Post time 31-8-2006 01:13 PM

Originally posted by lady_nF at 31-8-2006 12:10 PM

pasal grammar tuh aku setuju sangat2
masa aku kecik grammar sangat tak betul...tp nasib baik aku suka membaca
so vocab aku power...walaupon aku sangat tak reti guna past/present tense
tp aku ...

:setuju:dulu pun aku begini...masa aku sekolah dulu, aku sgtle tak pandai dlm english..grammar semua tunggang-langgang...kat rumah pun,eventhough my father holds oversea's degree, dia ni mmg tak praktis english pun kat rumah...dia nak aku sendiri usaha memantapkan english, dia just sediakan saluran je...

aku risau sgt camnale aku nak keje sok2 nih...aku ingat lagi masa aku sekola menengah, stp hari aku baca buku cite english, buku grammar, kamus...walaupun ada satu thp aku rasa dah nak give-up...bila masa kat universiti, lecture , report dan presentation semua dlm english...dan kali ni mmg aku tak lepaskan peluang nak blaja english...dan sampai skang, I'm still learning and will continue it till my last breath...FYI, aku tak amik kelas english sbb aku takut tak berbaloi duit yg aku kuarkan tu dgn kemahiran yg aku akan dpt....aku blaja sendiri, aku dgr radio english, baca buku english, tgk cite english , aku pikir pun dlm english dan speak english with my close friends sampai mak aku pun ckp yg aku ni dah hilang identiti sbg melayu...ah lantak ah, niat aku nak blaja je...tapi benda2 ni le menyakinkan aku nak ckp english

Muntz · Post time 1-9-2006 01:19 AM

Originally posted by dexa at 29-8-2006 09:14 PM
first of all -- saya bukan hendak memandang rendah pada graduan2
dari local universiti in Malaysia --

tapi saya telah menjadi recruitment consultant dan berdepan sendiri
dengan graduan2 -- ini ...

apa yg ko kata mmg aku akui lar. sbb aku sendiri pun dpt lihat byk local u grads nie (bumi especially), tak pandai speaking, tak ada skill yg ko kata tu. tapi bagi aku, communication skill yg paling penting, tak kira dalam bahasa apa pun.. tapi itu pun takder. mostly diorang nie belajar just for the sake of belajar utk periksa. aku pun kira gitu gak ler dulu.. hehe... tapi at least, aku ader lar jugak inisiatif utk memperbaiki diri dgn ambik kursus communication skills, extended english course dan extended management course. walaupun dulu aku nyer credit hours dah full, tapi aku tambah gak beberapa lagi. bukan aper, saja nak tambah pengetahuan. budak2 lain, asal full jer, abis ler.. lega lah. pastu, susah bebenar diorang nie nak disuruh baca english newspapers, dengar english songs.. aku nie dulu pun perit jugak nak baca english nyer material, tapi aku cuba lar jugak meminatinya. aku tak paksa diri tapi gradually aku cuba tanamkan minat lah. tak susah sebenarnya kalau ada will power.

macademia · Post time 1-9-2006 08:44 AM

bundle,

bukan nya nak concerntrate sangat BI tu sampai nak abaikan BM..... mac tak surah jadi orang lupa asal usul seperti pelakon berhingus tu...

I told my children.... I expect then to master BI and BM SEIRING...... dapat A1 in both BI and BM and also 1119 ...... seperti yang Mac dapat dulu2.......

and also kita jangan lupa juga concerntrate in BM... sebab anak2 melayu ni lemah dalam BM sebenarnya...especially Pemahaman..... budak2 non-malays lagi terror tau...... kita cuma terror BM bahasa pasar.....

dexa · Post time 1-9-2006 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Pe4RL at 30-8-2006 01:28 PM

Bleh listkan kerjaya aper yg susah nak dpt candidate tuh?
kalu terkena, bleh ler aku mintak kat hangnyer company :bgrin:
tQ

susah nak cari --
good customer service

dulu saya placed about 10 kat vads
tapi depa minta 20 tak dapat nak cari
cuz candidates punya english hampeh..

ni bukan saje2 punya customer service
kena berhubung dengan singaprean and regional asia..
so english kena la touch up
gaji bukan yang 1500 -- at the very least rm2000
tak masuk shift lagi..

YANG SUSAH:
1.  candidates cant speak english very well

2. candidates didnt have a transportation
malas nak naik commuter or  too expensive to take a cab
i.e  location tak sesuai

3. candidates tak suka nak jawab phone  walaupun customer
service bukan sales - tapi beri info -

4. candidates tak optimistic -

5. CANDIDATES didnt wanna shift jobs

so thats some of yang i boleh list kenapa i susah nak dapat candidates

i placed some engineers and i think  it is one of the easiest to place --

especially electrical engineer graduate --
kerja untuk mereka banyak sangat --
kalau mereka ni ada -- siki working experience
kaboom.....  mesti get hired ---
ada attitude nak berusaha --  dan positive
dan LOVE the job --- tu important tu...

i will continue again  soon..

ctmufizano · Post time 1-9-2006 05:11 PM

Originally posted by dexa at 1-9-2006 04:54 PM

susah nak cari --
good customer service

dulu saya placed about 10 kat vads
tapi depa minta 20 tak dapat nak cari
cuz candidates punya english hampeh..

ni bukan saje2 punya customer ...

der vacancy lagi ker ???? i nk apply la..

dexa · Post time 1-9-2006 05:23 PM

aku nie dulu pun perit jugak nak baca english nyer material, tapi aku cuba lar jugak meminatinya. aku tak paksa diri tapi gradually aku cuba tanamkan minat lah. tak susah sebenarnya kalau ada will power.

i applaud you about that...
a motivation for others out there!!

lagi satu -- i wanna share with forumers here yang interested
to know bout jobs and employment  and how to tackle  and stuff..

dont ever ever feel shy  or worried or ashame to speak english

even if you wanna write in this forum all in english -- saya rasa
mod kat sini welcome you --
in fact  it is good to practice -

dan jika ada kesalahan  spelling ka -  grammar ka - ha - sama2
boleh perbetulkan dan belajar...

no one is born with experience --  semua kita mesti ada mistakes
thats how we grow --- feel sorry for anybody who didnt wanna make
a mistake for he / she wont grow and look at life as cabaran !..

lagi satu -- kalau DAH GRADUATE pun  dengan 3.6 cgpa
not necessarily u will get a job --
kadang2 english dapat A1 masa SPM  tapi nak tulis essay pun
tunggang terbalik  moreover  in  conversation --  tak yakin langsung
nak pronounce kan words yang dibaca or yang ada kat dalam mind..
SO...
pronunciation is very important-- tak payah cakap berslang slang pun..
still kita boleh faham kalau u sebut dengan clear dan yakin

not sure in university or college or places yang offer course
in pronunciation in english - kalau ada saya urge mana2 forumers
yang rasa pronunciation tak begitu mahir - ha - ambil course cam gini..

not sure if local u ada non credit course yang offer - wud be great -

-- i shall continue later --

[ Last edited by  dexa at 14-8-2007 10:42 PM ]

dexa · Post time 1-9-2006 05:39 PM

Originally posted by RedAlert at 31-8-2006 09:07 AM

dexa, is that really true? that's good... sebab dari apa yang saya dengar, nak cari kerja kat M'sia sekarang amatlah susah.

just curious, what are the chances for a not-so-fresh graduate (sa ...

RED --  anyone has a chance..
u kena beritahu i apa skill u ada...
kalau i tanya sini nanti  too personal pulak..

kalau red nak tahu lebih lanjut
boleh pm saya --  saya boleh tolong tengokkan
and try to match it... kalau ada yang saya tahu...

sometimes -- lots of client  nak yang SPM aje..
pun ada... let me be frank - saya sometimes senang placing
SPM leavers  dari  fresh grads...and thats the honest truth..

dex

dexa · Post time 1-9-2006 05:41 PM

vads kat TTDI
dekat bangunan IBM fifth floor
selalu ada vacancy sana..

bundle · Post time 1-9-2006 06:50 PM

Originally posted by dexa at 1-9-2006 05:41 PM
vads kat TTDI
dekat bangunan IBM fifth floor
selalu ada vacancy sana..

vads.. buat customer service kan... ari tu i g interview kat situ... tapi xdapat.. so xpe lah xder rezeki kot..
tapi kesian ngan dua candidate.. yang sorang tu diploma in automotive... (tapi yang nie speaking xder lar fluent sgt) yang sorang lagi ader experience keje kat oversea.. so of coz mamat nie pandai cakap omputih.. tapi diarang xdapat... yang dapat dak SPM dua org.. yang sorang tu lain yang ditanya lain yang dijawab... yang sorang tu xderlah pandai mane pun cakap omputih cam dak diploma tu gak lar level dia.. just both of SPM candidates nie ader experience wat teleservices... so dak SPM nie dapat.. (kira rezeki diarang lar tu...) xpun yg interview tu sedara dia huhuhu...

kuar jek dari company tu.. mamat yang ade diploma tu sound aku... dapat kat dak SPM...
lepas tu aku cakap balik ngan dia... diarang tu ader experience... mamat tu terus blah.. xcakap aper pun.. cam frust jekk...
huhuhu

dexa · Post time 1-9-2006 07:17 PM

lagi satu ...
yang buat dia ambil budak SPM tu..
one and foremost - dah memang ada experience in customer service
so dia tak payah buat training..

second of all - dia tak payah bayar gaji terlalu tinggi buat permulaan
thats on company side la...

jangan putus asa..
ada satu lagi kat Kelana Jaya --
memang bagus company ni --
saya dah lupa nama dia --
bila saya ingat saya post kat sini...

contact person is my friend - dia hr kat sana
very nice lady --

lagi satu -- location tu important ye..
kalau tahu susah nak take a job kat satu2 location tu ..
no need to apply...

buang masa you - buang masa employer --

focuskan job yang u interested in --
location yang flexi for you...

dex

[ Last edited by dexa at 14-8-2007 10:43 PM ]

dexa · Post time 1-9-2006 07:35 PM

bukan salah fresh graduate, tapi yang salah ialah sistem pendidikan malaysia. apa yg ada pada fresh graduate itulah sebenarnya hasil pendidikan yg mereka terima. sebagaimana bentuk acuan, begitulah juga bentuk kuihnya.

i beg to differ dengan pandangan you --
neither i nak salahkan fresh graduates ni  nor will i blame
the education system in malaysia...

saya pernah bersekolah di malaysia - and lemme just give my thots --
the syllabus here -- the teaching -- especially in high school  is much much
more broader  and very thorough compare to the education system / syllabus
in canadian or american high school...

STPM punya sijil is more acceptable and has more value than high school certs in
north american school..

masalah graduates cant speak english - is not the education system fault per se --
it is all about yourself --  berapa ramai pelajar yang boleh tampil nak berbahasa inggeris
sesama rakan mereka - dan jika mereka berbahasa inggeris sesetengah akan mencebik
seolah  memandang serong dan merasakan si polan yang nak berbahasa inggeris ini cuba
menunjuk-nunjuk...
HENCE....  tak nak merasakan diri dia tu seeking attention --dia pun bercakap dalam bahasa...

sebenarnya -- pokok pangkalnya - jika KITA NAK improve diri kita -- kita yang mesti ada
motivation diri --- focus -- dan think ahead --

who cares if your grammar is wrong or people start talking about you negatively?
are they gonna give you JOB? are they gonna pay your bills? are they gonna live your life??

yang nak facing future is you...  FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE -- focus on you  --
what you want and what you need - not - what others think of you --

touch your heart --- ask what you want ---

dah maghrib -

continue later -

dex

bundle · Post time 2-9-2006 12:15 PM

Originally posted by dexa at 1-9-2006 07:17 PM
lagi satu ...
yang buat dia ambil budak SPM tu..
one and foremost - dah memang ada experience in customer service
so dia tak payah buat training..

second of all - dia tak payah bayar gaji ter ...

:tq: :tq: huhu

dexa · Post time 2-9-2006 01:08 PM

kalau bundle minat customer service..
boleh kerja shift
can speak - even moderate english..
kerja KL okay..

try celcom --

hari tu gaji min RM1700
tak termasuk allowance shift --

kalau nak minta yang tak ada shift okay juga--
tapi tak sure still available --

depa kalau nak CS memang ramai --
sebab ramai yang tak suka shift job --

think about it --

oakley_konatchi · Post time 2-9-2006 06:08 PM

First of all..we should never blame the gov over the educational system. it's hard, but we have to admit it first, it is our own fault. the world is expanding, competition is stiff, we need to communicate internationally, we know that since we're in primary sch and beyond!!! but..did we bother about these facts???? NO!

It is never too late to learn english..most of us learn english by simply watching tv or listening to the radio..then try to talk with others..dont be afraid to make mistakes..its normal.....we learn as we go....

in terms of interviews..yes, i admit that most of us can't converse in english well..and when these candidates feels uneasy with their vocabsm they start to tone down..they start to have doubt in themselves...confidence is important...talking your way out is as important too....

ive been through a lot of interviews(interviewed and giving them as well)...first impression is important as well...another important thing, never lie..coz its hard to continue your lies as the interview goes on....

anyway..gtg...good luck..

payrol · Post time 3-9-2006 09:36 AM

well..i did lie during my interview ..hehe..but then..nothing major..just tiny bit of it ...im a good liar..so i managed to get myself out of it..huhuh..seriously speaking..most of my colleagues here in the office speaks bad english.....but then..there are few of them who took the initiatives to learn..ask me few questions...but im not that good either ...im much better in coversation than writing ....

CRK · Post time 3-9-2006 10:26 AM

Originally posted by macademia at 30-8-2006 03:16 PM
cpk...

kita mesti ada sifat nak improve ourselves.... memang betul PPSMI (Maths and science in EnglisH) baru start..... tapi kenapa kita perlu bergantung pada PPSMI?

if a student is serius na ...

theoretically from a psychological point of view motivation will not occurs without stimuli object. hanya dengan mengharapkan student utk bermotivasi gunakan BI thats will not make any improvement or behavioural changes. dlm hal ni saya melihat peranan kementerian sbg pemula rangsangan. PPSMI diperkenalkan sbb KPM mula sedar tentang kelemahan Bi di kalangan pelajar Malaysia dibandingkan pelajar negara jiran cthnya Singapura. secara peribadi saya kagum dengan model pendidikan singapura.

seharusnya kemahiran BI diterapkan bermula sejak usia paling awal lagi. kalau nak harapkan dah masuk sek menengah baru nak belajar, tak byk improvement. tambah2 lagi pelajar luar bandar yg bertutur dlm bahasa daerah/keturunan masing2. sy tak mengatakan semua ini tugas KPM. ibubapa juga mainkan peranan tapi peranan mereka sangat terhad esp yg dari luar bandar dan punya tahap pendidikan yg sangat rendah.

saya rasa perlu ada rombakan dlm sistem pendidikan. gunakan BI sepenuhnya bermula dari peringkat terendah sekali. kewujudan sekolah rendah jenis kebangsaan juga menyumbang kpd masalah kemahiran BI yg rendah. perlu ada hanya satu sahaja aliran sekolah rendah yg gunakan BI sbg medium perantaraan.