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Kenapa org salu in denial...

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Post time 10-2-2009 09:51 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
ni tertakluk kepada semua jenis in denial...
contoh...klu pompuan tu...tak percaya somi dier tu curang...and xbaik..
or..contoh...laki ni...suka buat alasan...menipu...bila org confront dier...cakap...dier so and so...dier tak pat terima...
ataupun kalau kita tengah berbincang... bagi fakta2 logik and rasional....
org tu tak pat terima...dier mungkin akan balas ngan serangan...

mengapakah perkara ini berlaku?

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Post time 10-2-2009 09:57 AM | Show all posts

Balas #1 makcikmengamok\ catat

ego yg tinggi
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Post time 10-2-2009 10:01 AM | Show all posts

Balas #1 makcikmengamok\ catat

errmmm...lagi satu...kalau aku bole kaitkan dgn sifat fizik iaitu 'inersia'
kalau dlm definisi fizik, inersia ni adlh satu sifat dimana ia merupakan satu daya/tenaga untuk mengekalkan keadaan asal sesuatu objek bilamana berlaku perubahan.

cth, mase kite naik bas. tgh2 bas tu jln tibe2 die brek...so bdn kite akan spontan respon supaya kite x tercampak ke dpn or sebagainye...sifat tu adlh inersia.

so, apply pd sifat manusia yg akan wujud penolakan/penafian tergadap sesuatu perubahan dlm hidupnya...

ni teori yg aku aplikasikan dpd teori fizik tu...
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 Author| Post time 10-2-2009 10:05 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by lula_27 at 10-2-2009 09:57 AM
ego yg tinggi


ego yg tinggi ni...apply kepada semua kes diatas ker?
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Post time 10-2-2009 10:10 AM | Show all posts

Balas #3 lula_27\ catat

Inersia nih, bkn time bas berhenti badan kite trus bergerak ke depan sbb mengekalkan keadaan asal (bergerak) ker?

Akibatnya, kita tergolek ke depan...
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Originally posted by lula_27 at 10-2-2009 10:01 AM
errmmm...lagi satu...kalau aku bole kaitkan dgn sifat fizik iaitu 'inersia'
kalau dlm definisi fizik, inersia ni adlh satu sifat dimana ia merupakan satu daya/tenaga untuk mengekalkan keadaan as ...


yer tak yer gak....ada persamaan ngan inersia..
dorg maybe...tak suka perubahan lam hidup dorg...sifat automatic ..or adakah ni semula jadi pada manusia ker?
or dorg ...ni....macam...it's too painful for them to hear the truth..
bak lam lam film salu cakap "you can't handle the truth"..
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 Author| Post time 10-2-2009 10:18 AM | Show all posts
ni contoh la...ada pompuan tua ni...dier salu perasan dier muda...
bila kita debate ngan dier...walaupun benda tu berfakta...dier akan serang balik...

and then ni satu lagi contoh..
dier...ni...semua perangai tak baik ada pada dier ..la..
contoh...dier nyer perangai memang suka buat alasan...menipu and etc..
klu aku...confront dier...tentang sikap dier....dier akan cakap...kita ni buruk sangka kat dier...deny2 semua ni..

yer aku ada perasan..dorg nyer ego tinggi...
and aku ada perasan dorg suka gambar muka sendiri...macam narcissistic
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Post time 10-2-2009 11:06 AM | Show all posts

Balas #5 BeskotCekelat\ catat

sort of....
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Post time 10-2-2009 11:08 AM | Show all posts

Balas #5 BeskotCekelat\ catat

Inersia merupakan sifat semula jadi suatu objek yang cenderung untuk menentang sebarang perubahan kepada keadaan atau bentuk asalnya , sama ada keadaannya dalam keadaan pegun iaitu dalam keadaan statik ataupun dalam keadaan bergerak.
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Post time 10-2-2009 11:29 AM | Show all posts
i honestly had been in a denial stage once.

so, pada pendapat akula...antara sbb kenapa orang selalu berada dalam denial stage ialah..tak bersedia nak menerima kenyataan. (ni berdasarkan kepada pengalaman aku la). Tak bersedia maksud aku kat sini ialah, kurang ilmu le tu (which aku refer pada diri aku sundrik jugak).

Contoh yang ko bagi tu..yang pompuan tua yang ko cakap selalu perasan muda tuh. dalam kepala otak dia mesti dok ingat dia mudaaaaa je kan?

Walhal kalau la dia  'tahu' dalam erti kata ada 'concrete knowledge' (supposed dia tahu la kan..) yang mana ada orang muda selama-lamanya atau  kalau dia fikir 'what's wrong with being old' atau kalau dia fikir 'there's more to life selain dari nak bertekak pasal diri dia  mantain muda ke tidak, aku rasa takdak nye dia berada dalam denial stage nih. Nih tak...dah tahu tapi buat derk je..masih gak ngan keperasanan dia tu.

kes aku dulu tu sbb2 cenggini le (tapi kes aku bukan kes perasan muda eh). takdak cukup  ilmu so takleh nak tengok sesuatu dari sudut yang positip. kalau ada pun ilmu tu sekadar dibuat perhiasan jerk. hehehe..tu dulu la..sekarang ni aku dah ok la.

So beb..kekadang ada orang dia buleh la keluaq dari denial stage tu  dalam tempoh masa yang singkat. ada orang dia ambik masa yang agak panjang. ada orang dia takleh keluar lansung..apa2 pun, ilmu dan kekuatan jiwa itu penting disamping  pertolongan dari Allah.

sekadar pandangan je..
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Post time 10-2-2009 11:34 AM | Show all posts

Balas #4 makcikmengamok\ catat

x apply sume kot...maybe bole jd salah satu faktor la
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Post time 10-2-2009 05:00 PM | Show all posts
tenguk situasi gak ler..

paling utama tenguk objektif

minda di cipta sebegitu rupa..reality is non existent in mind..only perception

kalo u ada masalah berat but u 'deny' it dan kata it is only just another problem..those problem berat is much more lighter then so u settle pun mudah..

denial yang u maksudkan ni i think bab mengadakan alibis or reason, disebabkan reaction

most ppl think depa thinking while actually depa merely REACTING i.e. stimulus

so yang baiknya first u ADMIT to urself u got problem i.e. u make aware, being CONSCIOUS then u must understand the work of mind supaya jangan sampai u being overwhelm with problem lalu solution macam tak ada

self ego is for self survival..takdok ego ni kita tak idup di dunia ni la..lama da mati haa k?

walo nak expand diri or self expansion sampai melibatkan orang lain esp oang tersayang, self survival tetap ada until altruism set in.
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Post time 10-2-2009 11:39 PM | Show all posts

well good question

Kenapa org salu in denial...
ni tertakluk kepada semua jenis in denial...
contoh...klu pompuan tu...tak percaya somi dier tu curang...and xbaik..
or..contoh...laki ni...suka buat alasan...menipu...bila org confront dier...cakap...dier so and so...dier tak pat terima...
ataupun kalau kita tengah berbincang... bagi fakta2 logik and rasional....
org tu tak pat terima...dier mungkin akan balas ngan serangan...



mengapakah perkara ini berlaku?

well depends mostly on certain situation lah kot

like if a person recently being told of having a fatal disease - then it would be natural for them to react in such a way - shock, denial , disbelief etc etc

or  citing your example above, a lady who just found out that her significant other tu kan main kayu tiga , then she probably develop a kind of extreme sadnesss/ anger or both and sometimes reaching to a point when teh psychological burden is becoming unbearable , kan , teh only way to "run - away" or escape from the situation is thru denial - ni sapa ambil kaunseling boleh elaborate jugak sebab somehow kan seingat i your mind need thsi just to " relax" or cooling it a bit off kalau tak u could 'explode" so, ada defense mechanism lah kat sini , may be the ego ( if you go by Freud may be ) is hurting so much due to this , so in order to repair the damaged "ego tu , denial is one of the ways- cuba cari self defense mechanism by Freud ni...

hehehe dear, rationalising something is also considered as defense mechanism too.....

or perhaps  she / he cannot view it the way you see it, coz there's no logic, ni kena tengok juga from which angle

mengapa?

manusia ada ego.
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Post time 10-2-2009 11:46 PM | Show all posts

well aji ..that cute baby yer comel

most ppl think depa thinking while actually depa merely REACTING i.e. stimulus


true, human response to "difficult / unpleasant situation"

so yang baiknya first u ADMIT to urself u got problem i.e. u make aware, being CONSCIOUS then u must understand the work of mind supaya jangan sampai u being overwhelm with problem lalu solution macam tak ada

ni dah acceptance dah ni kalau sampai tahap

self ego is for self survival..takdok ego ni kita tak idup di dunia ni la..lama da mati haa k?

yep , if you'd go by encik Freud....hehehehe

Tapikan Aji dalam konteks Prophet Muhammad SAW, how would you view this ? Baginda akhlak terpuji kan so he's being diplomatic..and firm ....mana ada ego , kan? sebab apa pun Baginda terpelihara ...so saya terfiikir sendiri sama ada ego ni baik ker tak sebab being diplomatic and accepting yourself is important too...kan, it leads to honesty...and comfy being the person you are lah kan?
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Post time 11-2-2009 03:30 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 10-2-2009 11:46 PM


true, human response to "difficult / unpleasant situation"


ni dah acceptance dah ni kalau sampai tahap

self ego is for self survival..takdok ego ni kita tak idup di dunia ni la..lam ...



nabi pun ada ego.. to me lah

ego dalam bahasa moden..dalam sufi kita sebut mutmainah..nafsu bersih

kalo tadak ego..dah 'fana'..itu yang macam Al Halaj, bersatu dengan yang satu sampai umum nanti keliru..mende ni pada saya tak molek diwarwar kan sangat

the brain always acting for self survival..mende2 kita belum alami or coba..brain akan rejek
contoh macam bau busuk seme tu, itu petanda risiko pada survival

tapi tuhan kata kadang2 yang kita tak suka itu baik untuk kita..so kita TAK BOLEH DENY misal ujian berat yang kita alami contoh macam kene sakit berat

ego ni pada saya keakuan..haiwan pun ada ego

kita lahir dan take notice everything, bayangkan kalo tadak sapa beri kita perhatian even ibu bapa..apa ertinya kita wujud kan?

bila ada perhatian baru ada hubungan, ada meaning wujud kita, kan kita diberitahu, bekeje lah di dunia ni seolah2 kamu akan hidup selamanya tapi beramal lah seolah2 kamu akan mati esok hari

setiap living tu ada hak masing2 dan ego akan mempertahan hak masing2
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Post time 11-2-2009 09:09 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ajinomotonosuga at 11-2-2009 03:30 AM
nabi pun ada ego.. to me lah
ego dalam bahasa moden..dalam sufi kita sebut mutmainah..nafsu bersih
kalo tadak ego..dah 'fana'..itu yang macam Al Halaj, bersatu denganyang satu sampai umum nanti keliru..mende ni pada saya tak molekdiwarwar kan sangat
the brain always acting for self survival..mende2 kita belum alami or coba..brain akan rejek
contoh macam bau busuk seme tu, itu petanda risiko pada survival
tapi tuhan kata kadang2 yang kita tak suka itu baik untuk kita..so kitaTAK BOLEH DENY misal ujian berat yang kita alami contoh macam kenesakit berat

ego ni pada saya keakuan..haiwan pun ada ego
kita lahir dan take notice everything, bayangkan kalo tadak sapa beri kita perhatian even ibu bapa..apa ertinya kita wujud kan?
bila ada perhatian baru ada hubungan, ada meaning wujud kita, kan kitadiberitahu, bekeje lah di dunia ni seolah2 kamu akan hidup selamanyatapi beramal lah seolah2 kamu akan mati esok hari
setiap living tu ada hak masing2 dan ego akan mempertahan hak masing2


thanks for this post,
ambik this, as a very valuable lesson ....

mansairaku:
expectations can be damaging,
when you've never agreed to anything,
am sorry ...
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Post time 11-2-2009 11:43 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Mansairaku at 11-2-2009 09:09 PM


thanks for this post,
ambik this, as a very valuable lesson ....

mansairaku:
expectations can be damaging,
when you've never agreed to anything,
am sorry ...


hmm? what does that thing mean?
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Post time 11-2-2009 11:46 PM | Show all posts

well....yep

Originally posted by ajinomotonosuga at 11-2-2009 03:30 AM



nabi pun ada ego.. to me lah

ego dalam bahasa moden..dalam sufi kita sebut mutmainah..nafsu bersih

kalo tadak ego..dah 'fana'..itu yang macam Al Halaj, bersatu dengan yang satu sampai ...

itu mmglah kan , tak boleh deny qada qadar.... tapi kan with Prophet ni dia ni diplomacy first , that is good.Maksudnya, he has a very healthy  mentality.
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Post time 12-2-2009 01:10 AM | Show all posts
I would look at it as..........

Something called FAITH.............a deep sense of expectation or want. So you cannot accept anything that falls short.
Faith can be a powerful thing too.

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 12-2-2009 01:13 AM ]
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Post time 13-2-2009 10:36 PM | Show all posts

but then Hami ....

Originally posted by hamizao at 12-2-2009 01:10 AM
I would look at it as..........

Something called FAITH.............a deep sense of expectation or want. So you cannot accept anything that falls short.
Faith can be a powerful thing too.

it could also be in the reverse  you see, like those who suffered from  a very severe inferiority complex  may be, as they cannot except their own shortcomings or limitation ..or  well there may be come to a point that they have dissapointed in their own very life and then, one who in this situation well may be need a  way to "escape" themselves with this feeling of inadequacy or  poor self respect, so denial  could be the adopted way/ self defense ( as the ego is hurt) , like in this type of people they try to act as if anything was ok,  pretending to laugh or acting indiferently  to anything that they perceive could be harmful or threatening to their ego. Like criticimsm etc etc...may be...
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