Untold History : Johor Battery - The Biggest Guns in the East (P13.. WTF??)

unekspekted_III

airstrip pong dah rege 190k... kata duit sultan 100k utk wat sebijik airstrip...

airstrip itu bermaksud.. tempat kapal terbang lalu.. bukan the whole airport...

and 190k tu jugak utk 3 earodrom.. so.. 100k cukup laa satu airdrome..

nampaknye ko  masih tak boleh terime kenyataan 400k boleh buat 5 meriam besi.. hehehehee

unekspekted_III

1888 punya gun compare ngan 1930's punya.. 40thn gak tu bezanya..

so.. gunekan laa inflation and interest factor.. xkan tu pun aku nak ajar kot.. hehehee

halimi78

aiks.. xkan jawab skerat2 je kot...
jawab penuh2 la..

artillery installation tu sama je ke dgn meriam tu je sketul?

kalo dah sketul airstrip tu murah je.. watpe la nak guna sampai 100k?
yg kawan minta date tu cane?
100k tu guna kat seletar ke kat mana?

airstrip - an airfield without normal airport facilities

halimi78

Its plan called for the abandonment of 128 obsolete and obsolescent seacoast batteries as soon as the 77 new batteries were installed. Thereafter, too, coastal defenses could be manned with substantially fewer troops. The board estimated that the whole program would require three years to complete and would cost about $82,000,000

ni harbor defense board, july 1940.. 77 new batteries +abandonment obsolete batteries dah estimated 82m usd...

sbb tu kawan mintak perincian.. cam utk seletar airbase..

unekspekted_III

ni harbor defense board, july 1940.. 77 new batteries +abandonment obsolete batteries dah estima ...
halimi78 Post at 26-11-2010 15:37

aku dah bagi pun perincian nyerrrr.. queen's office

nak tak nak kene terime je factnye yg 5 bijik meriam tu dlm 400k jee...

halimi78

tu kawan tanya.. kita cite pasal meriam saja ker..
ke cite pasal coastal gun batteries nih?

utk meriam saja.. cukup.. full stop...
tp tred ni cite pasal johore battery.. coastal gun battery..
johore battery bkn stakat meriam je.. emplacement dan segala yg bkaitan..
kawan tanya pasal installation cost.. bkn kos sebijik meriam saja..
sbb ni cite buat n pasang..

unekspekted_III

tu kawan tanya.. kita cite pasal meriam saja ker..
ke cite pasal coastal gun batteries nih?

utk  ...
halimi78 Post at 26-11-2010 15:56

'batteries' consisted everything within the installment = dan kosnye cume 400k UNTUK kelima2 meriam = seperti yang disahkan oleh document sulit itew.. bukan buku yang diambil dari google yee.. thank you.

halimi78

'batteries' consisted everything within the installment = dan kosnye cume 400k UNTUK kelima2 mer ...
unekspekted_III Post at 26-11-2010 16:48

    400k devoted to the completion of those 5 guns.. by 1935 dah bmula ke blm keje2 pbinaan? ke dah bjalan? sbb first phase was planned to be completed by 1937 (ada dlm doc ko kasik).. kalo keje dah start sblm 1935.. means more than 400k is needed..
400k plus yg dah dkuarkan sblm sultan bg..

bout the airstrip.. 100k used for aerodrome and accomodation.. sbb tu kawan tanya tadi.. seletar airbase tu bila buat? bila sultan bg duit br buat ke? aerodrome is part of an airstrip/airfield/airbase.. that seletar airbase awal2, 1930 dah buka utk civil.. so that 100k is used to upgrade the airbase to meet the military demands.. bkn wat airstrip n civil aerodrome yg d war2 kan..

another 100k is using to construct Air strip and civil aerodrome

unekspekted_III

400k devoted to the completion of those 5 guns.. by 1935 dah bmula ke blm keje2 pbinaan? k ...
halimi78 Post at 26-11-2010 17:09

sebelum pembinaan.. defence line consisted more than 20 guns.. that 400k is exclusively for building 5 guns batteries.

bukan nye dia bina separuh tak siap.. tunggu fund, then dapat je sambung keje

unekspekted_III

seletar airbase tu bila buat? bila sultan bg duit br buat ke? aerodrome is part of an airstrip/airfield/airbase.. that seletar airbase awal2, 1930 dah buka utk civil.. so that 100k is used to upgrade the airbase to meet the military demands..

1 airstrp = dibina awal.. consisted 1 earodrome yg dah complete and 1 belum siap

100k ni utk new airstrip + 2 lagi airdrome baru

halimi78

wp aku xde dokumen sulit.. cuma ada google..
at least aku leh tau meriam tu bkn 500m...
dan aku leh tau meriam tu leh tala ke johor gak...

dan sbb google.. aku tau.. sblm peruntukan dkuarkan utk seletar airbase.. 1935..
sbnrnya ia dah beroperasi utk awam seawal 1930..
jadi yg dwar2kan sbg buat airstrip tu sbnrnya upgrade je..
drp awal aku tanya bila doc perincian belanja tu utk seletar.. ko x bg..
aku tanya bila siap airbase tu pong ko x bgtau..
patut org yg ada access lengkap lg tau..

halimi78

Reply 349# unekspekted_III

bg la detail listing cam airbase tu...

yg airbase tu dah terang2 doc ko kasik dah explen...
100k used to build 2 aerodromes n accomodation..

kalu aku yg BI merangkak leh baca..
xkan ko yg keje dgn smithsonian yg slalu bukak buku omputih xtau?

halimi78

dah jelas.. 2nd aerodrome.. 3rd aerodrome.. accomodation---> 98k...

tele jek dgn doc yg awal ko kasik...

halimi78

sebelum pembinaan.. defence line consisted more than 20 guns.. that 400k is exclusively for building 5 guns batteries.

bukan nye dia bina separuh tak siap.. tunggu fund, then dapat je sambung keje

fund dah buat estimation.. total estimation dah buat dulu..
sbb tu ada stage 1 stage 2..
apa brp kat mana nak construct dah susun dulu..
betul xde delay? abis kalo taim x cukup labour.. material..?
keje apa boleh buat..

halimi78

nak kata org yg tulis ni xde rujukan yg mcm ko kata dr queen office.. dia ada gak..
tp knp stetment dia mcm tu?

sbb tu aku minta perincian.. utk battery installation.. br leh tgk jelas..
tp ko sebok nak kata aku x puas ati.. padahal aku cuma nakkan kepastian..
kenapa x sama..

unekspekted_III

ko bleh bace document yg same tu tulis 1 aerodrome dah siap.. 2nd tengah buat, belum siap fund xde.. 3rd one yang baru plus airstrip yg baru...

dorang bkan buat BENDE YG TERBENGKALAI.. sebab fund takde.. tapi NEW THING..

halimi78

2nd tengah buat, belum siap fund xde

tu bkn terbengkalai ker?

dorang bkan buat BENDE YG TERBENGKALAI.. sebab fund takde.. tapi NEW THING..

x kontradik ke dgn yg ni?
yg kawan sebut delay td tu.. kan ke kawan dah cakap pasal apa...
ada kawan mention pasal delay sbb xde fund? 

accelerate tu mpercepatkan... x gitu?
maksud kata... buat phase by phase according to allocated budget..
so, bila ada extra duit.. xyah la tunggu peruntukan thn berikutnya utk jlnkan..
leh sambung terus.. baru la kata to accelerate...

mmg diorang wat benda baru.. cuma progress tu dbuat phase by phase..
"devoted to the completion.." tu yg kawan nak tau sgt..
knp dguna perkataan menyiapkan.. bkn mbina..
mnyiapkan makna kata something in progress, dah start dah projek..
kalo mbina.. tu start from zero.. foundation pon xde..

tu pentingnya perincian yg kawan mintak tu.. senang nak tgk nak baca.. nanti blh sama2 tgk bincangkan..
sama la cam yg kawan tanya tu... by 1935 tu, dah brp byk progress 1st stage.. yg akn tamat 1937..
yg dah sedia ada lbh awal dlm 20 biji tu pong tlibat dlm pengubahsuaian..
nak ganti mounting baru.. nak ubah kedudukan..

unekspekted_III

tu bkn terbengkalai ker?


x kontradik ke dgn yg ni?
yg kawan sebut delay td tu.. kan ke kawan ...
halimi78 Post at 27-11-2010 00:32

so.. it is obvious yg dengan duit tu dia buat bende yg BARU.. bukan yg terbengkalai sambung

mcm phase 1 phase 2 phase 3.. - phase 2 bukan dibina sama2 phase 1.. but later

and.. dengan donation tu je boleh cover keje2 yg terbengkalai dorang.. 100k cukup utk sambung keje aerodrome 2.. buat aerodrome 3 yang baru.. dan 1 airstrip..

klu dgn 100k pun boleh buat sume tu.. ni kan pulak dgn 400k utk meriam besi... simple

halimi78

so.. it is obvious yg dengan duit tu dia buat bende yg BARU.. bukan yg terbengkalai sambung

mcm phase 1 phase 2 phase 3.. - phase 2 bukan dibina sama2 phase 1.. but later

and.. dengan donation tu je boleh cover keje2 yg terbengkalai dorang.. 100k cukup utk sambung keje aerodrome 2.. buat aerodrome 3 yang baru.. dan 1 airstrip..

klu dgn 100k pun boleh buat sume tu.. ni kan pulak dgn 400k utk meriam besi... simple

unekspekted_III Post at 27-11-2010 00:38

utk installation sume batteries.. kecik besor tu.. dbuat dlm 2 stage.. stage 1 dan stage 2..
stage 1 estimated siap dlm 5 thn.. by 1937.. so dlm masa tu of course ada pbahagian.. 

stage 2 mmg x sama masa pbinaan.. sbb stage 2 spatutnya slps stage 1 siap...
tp.. dgn ada sumbangan sultan johor.. stage 2 dpt dmulakan/dpercepatkan/accelerated...
earlier than scheduled time... mana yg tgantung dlm stage 1 pong leh sambung..

kalo org dah habiskan 10k nak wat rumah.. sementara tunggu bajet baru sampai nak oder brg..
ko lak ada duit yg dperlukan.. bg sumbangan kat dia utk oder brg.. katalah 10k jugak..
jd sebab ko bg duit, dia leh sambung keje awal... leh cepat2 siapkan...
so, boleh ko klaim duit ko yg bina rumah tu? partially, yes.. but not totally..

Dibina pada tahun 1939.. dekat Changi... = this is the Main Britisih coastal altillery defence network.. dinamekan "Johor Battery" sebab kos membinanye ditanggung oleh Sultan Ibrahim...

skrg ni.. dokumen yg ko bg kata devoted to the completion of the 5 big guns (stage 1 n 2)..
penulis tu pulak kata 400k tu hanya utk 2 biji meriam (means stage 2 punya saja, totally guna duit sultan)..
dah ada tanda tanya.. betul ke x nih... mcm mana dia wat kesimpulan tu?
so nak jawab.. hanya perincian perbelanjaan 400k tu kene rujuk..
bkn aku x pcaya pada doc yg ko kasik.. tp kene ingat.. tu kertas cadangan..
kene tengok pada kelulusan.. sbb mamat yg tulis tu cakap, approval dr kabinet 1936..

bioessence

ini lah masalah org yg tak habis belajar mengaku terpelajar
bila jumpa org yg terpelajar terpaksalah defensive
nak elakkan terbogel sebab tu kena tegak kan benang basah
tapi bogel jugak...