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Post time 12-7-2003 02:54 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
mcm mana org ukur usia sesuatu jasad dgn menggunakan teori ni?
tolong xplen sikit
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Post time 12-7-2003 03:25 PM | Show all posts

salam,

ukur usia?
tak tahulah ..apa yg saya  tahu  ini punya islah utk utk ukur kadar? j.masa hayat satu bhn radioactive..atapun dlm  kimia fizikal ade topic p-asal ni di bwh tajuk kadar  tindak bals..ade graph exponential lagi dah lupa..la..maaf  seatakat tu shj..
any one ..nak join..????
apa yg saya faham adalah
"berapa lama masa, t, yg diambil untuk satu bhn  ( cth radioactive  substances) utk urai jadi setengah ( 1/2) daripada jisim , m ( mass) asalnya pada masa t =0 ..maksudnya masa yg mana hamba allah ni memula jumpa bhn ni ..bhn tu adalah mempunyai jisim yg bernilai x kg..then dia kaji samapi bila  / lama mana bhn ni akan jadi setengah dr  jisim asal..."

itu saya fhm pasai concept setengah hayat..

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Post time 15-7-2003 02:22 PM | Show all posts

salammmmm

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 12-7-2003 03:25 PM:
ukur usia?
tak tahulah ..apa yg saya  tahu  ini punya islah utk utk ukur kadar? j.masa hayat satu bhn radioactive..atapun dlm  kimia fizikal ade topic p-asal ni di bwh tajuk kadar  tindak bals..ad ...

mbshf..
berapa umuq dunia?


bless you.
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Post time 15-7-2003 02:41 PM | Show all posts

salam,

SDR MAIL
is this a rhetorical question hik hikhik

okay to the point...i tak tahu la..but Papa will tell you b 'coz Papa is clever.
tapi all the scientist are presuming that  solar system ni terejadi about 5 billion yrs ago - ini merujuk kepada  pngumpulan gas -gas (  a vast  cloud of whirling gas) and  dust  particle  that was drifrting  thru space. But then 4.6 billion yrs ago batulah gas - gas ini condensed and ditarik / were drawn together thus forming what we refreerd to as a  large dense central mass- the sun... :re:wallahualam.




..by the by ..nak bincang pasal hukum Ohm? da lupa la tapi ade kaitan dgn sistem peredaran darah dlm badan kita tau...

bless you too..:bg:

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Post time 15-7-2003 10:01 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 15-7-2003 02:41 PM:
SDR MAIL
is this a rhetorical question hik hikhik

okay to the point...i tak tahu la..but Papa will tell you b 'coz Papa is clever.
tapi all the scientist are presuming that  solar system ni te ...

salam mbhsf..

umuq dunia, kira gunakan carbon 12 dating...

macam tentu kan fosil2 berapa taun dah ..

hukum ohm...
yg aku tau V=IR

i-current, r-resistance..

yg aku tau selalu nyg dlm litar, electronic...
macamana dikaitkan dgn sistem peredran darah pulak..
menarik nih...
tapi sure current yg rendah2....picoampere ka?ka lagi rendah..

camner..?

bless you........
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Post time 16-7-2003 12:42 AM | Show all posts

okay..

salam bless you too.
okay dlm bdn kita kan ade salur darah:- veins & artery & capillary , jantung

itu dulu. then

cara salur darah bersambung ni  ada yg bersiri dan ade yg selari ( ini pun taksue sbb type tak rujuk nota utk tentukan benar )
so physiologist guna hukum  arus / ohm  juga lak sebab nya saya terang kemudian.

lagi satu darah yg dok mengalir kat bdn kita pun ade rintangan
dan darah pun ade yg turbulent flow and laminar flow

itu dule sbb kena rujuk nota

tu je..
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Post time 16-7-2003 12:45 AM | Show all posts

ni lagi satu

umuq dunia, kira gunakan carbon 12 dating...
how valid is the instrument???
tak ade ralat -ralat ke?
mcm mane mechanism of action ? dah lupa tapi kalau tak nak spoon feeding boleh  link..pun jadilah...ini menarik
cerita pasai karbon ni menarik ..kalau tak silap dlm carbon dating ni dep aguna  radioisotope carbon -14 ka? carbon -13 ka?
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Post time 16-7-2003 09:12 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 2003-7-16 12:42 AM:
salam bless you too.
okay dlm bdn kita kan ade salur darah:- veins & artery & capillary , jantung

itu dulu. then

cara salur darah bersambung ni  ada yg bersiri dan ade yg selari ( ini pun t ...

salam mbshf..
sambung ler lagi..

kat mana yg selari, kat mana yg sesiri..?

where come the voltage?
the range of the voltage?
current?

adakah berkaitan dgn impuls?


mm..terbulance flow and laminar flow...
berkaitan dgn reynolds number kan..
kat mana turbulance flow, kat arteri jangtung ka
laminar flow?

salam...bless you..
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 Author| Post time 16-7-2003 06:57 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 16-7-2003 12:45 AM:
umuq dunia, kira gunakan carbon 12 dating...
how valid is the instrument???
tak ade ralat -ralat ke?
mcm mane mechanism of action ? dah lupa tapi kalau tak nak spoon feeding boleh  link..pun jad ...

isotop carbon-14
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Post time 16-7-2003 07:28 PM | Show all posts
Yup, carbon-14.

Ketepatannya adalah memadai untuk memenuhi keperluan dan kegunaan kita sebagai manusia yang menjadi khalifah di bumi Allah.. Tak tau la kot nanti kita jumpa bahan yang lebih baik dan lebih tepat lagi untuk mengukur usia sesuatu...:bg:
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Post time 16-7-2003 10:41 PM | Show all posts

salam..and hi all

Baru la bernyawa sikit thread ni....baru happy sikit
so How are you Papa???

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hukum ohm...
yg aku tau V=IR
i-current, r-resistance..
yg aku tau selalu nyg dlm litar, electronic...
macamana dikaitkan dgn sistem peredran darah pulak..
menarik nih...
tapi sure current yg rendah2....picoampere ka?ka lagi rendah..
camner..?

kat mana yg selari, kat mana yg sesiri..?


my reply:-

sebenaqnya kan apa yg i nak bagi tau ni ialah dlm bendalir yg melalui tube ade satu rumus / law yg dinamakan Darcy's law ( yg equivalent pada ohm's law ). Darcy ni hamba Allah yg kaji bendalir yg mengalir dlm tube kot..dan in short persamaan yg dia guna  boleh "diapply"  dlm  sistem cardiovascular
( peredaran darah). TApi taktau lah pasal ape lagi so jangan lah tanya ( reput otak I nanti yg rumit punya  equation kena tanya cardiac  physiologist lah)

i think you all pun tahu his simplest equation kan..

Q ( flow) = Pressure Gradient / Resistance ( ni paling mudah la )

tapi kan kena tau jugak definisi flow kan: iaitu ; volume of fluid ( dlm context ni blood lah) passing a given point / t ( time)

velocity : the rate of movement  of fluid particles  along the tube...

velocity bergantung kepada surface area ( ? bhs Melayu panggil apa ni?) ( ia berkadaq sonsang kan , maksudnya  halaju tu tinggi bila surface area , A, sikit
resistace pulak  ditentukan oleh nature of the fliud  dan salur darah lah...
( mean velocity )  bergantung kepada  viscosity and  radius ( jejari of a tube kan)mdan ai protional / berkadar langsung dengan  crosssectional are of the tube

selari ...kena tengok gambarajah laa
sesiri ..ni pun sama

okay dia mcm ni start dr jantung ...left ventricle..aorta ( nikena tengok sesiapa punya bio book la) semua  major artery ni seolah olah sesiri laa yg selari tu kalau nak yg paling jelas kat capillary....( ni kena rujuk buku bio)

where come the voltage?
the range of the voltage?
current?

well ini bukan electric current flow laa analogy saje..
dlm cardiac muscles tu ade la...


[quote]adakah berkaitan dgn impuls?
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ni tak faham la..impuls conduction ke you refer or membrane potential????

mm..terbulent flow and laminar flow...
berkaitan dgn reynolds number kan..
kat mana turbulance flow, kat arteri jangtung ka
laminar flow?


yes ..clever ade reynolds number... ( tapi saya tak faham macam mane derived reynolds number sebab mase belajaq pun depa tak go into minute detail sangat..)
yes turbulent flow kat jantung tapi kat mane lebih specific ialah kat ventricles lah atau dekat arteri tg bermasalah ( org kita dok refer as block tu ..sebenaqnya tu salaur darah yg berpenyakit .clooged by cholesterol and s o on sbb tu kena jaga makan!!!!!)
LAMINAr flow ni dekat memana salur darah je lah...lagi satu laminar flow dlm blood vessel ni sama  mcm you all belajaq la kot..yg dekat dinding tu stasis lah yg tengah tu velocity dia paling tinggi...
dankepekatan? viscosity jugak mempengaruhi laminar flow ni kan....

jadi pendek cerita lah kira ..hubung kait antara flow , velocity, resistance ( radius ) , viscosity ( ? kepekatan) ni wujudlah

Poiseulles LAw yg mane  kita boleh make sense resistance bertambah  jika  kepekatan( viscosity bertambah)
- resistance tu  bertambah  dengan kadar kuasa 4 ( fourth power of the
radius )
jadi apa maksudnya ??
dlm bdn kita

adalah lebih sukar utk push blood  melalui small vesels ( salur darah yg halus /kecil)  drpd salur darah yg besaq
semakin pekat  the blood semakin  susah lah nak push  it through vessels


okay org physics ni depa suka number so kita bagi number,
darah menaglair mase rehat adalah

5liter / min
dan boleh bertambah 5 X ganda  ( 5 times more) to 25litres / min

dan organ paling penting dlm bdn yg memerlukan darah sentiasa  mengalir kalau tak well kita expired lee. ialah brain, heart and kidneys..( deap ni ade high metabolic rate ).....
so bless you all..jagelah makn...:bg::bg::bg::bg:
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Post time 16-7-2003 11:08 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 2003-7-16 10:41 PM:
Baru la bernyawa sikit thread ni....baru happy sikit
so How are you Papa???

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Baik mbhcsf, tq...:bg:

Ko punya jawapan technical atau akademik sangat la... pening aku
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Post time 16-7-2003 11:11 PM | Show all posts

huh?

sorrty PApa kena tengok nota kuliah la sebab bende ni i dah tinggalakn sejak 1997 - Hk pun dan diberi pada China..which part ....???????

yg concepr flow / tu tak kisah sanagt la..tapi tu SDR MAil tanya perkaitan antara hukum Ohm's law dgn salur darah & sistem peredran darah  manusia.....
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Post time 16-7-2003 11:14 PM | Show all posts

Ermm.. okay la

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 2003-7-16 11:11 PM:
sorrty PApa kena tengok nota kuliah la sebab bende ni i dah tinggalakn sejak 1997 - Hk pun dan diberi pada China..which part ....???????

yg concepr flow / tu tak kisah sanagt la..tapi tu SDR MAi ...


Tak apa la mbhcsf... aku cakap jer:bg:
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Post time 17-7-2003 01:12 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Satria-Naga at 2003-7-12 14:54:
mcm mana org ukur usia sesuatu jasad dgn menggunakan teori ni?
tolong xplen sikit


sambung dari jawapan minah huruf ..

it is known how much radiation is emited (given the mass) when these radioactive elements are produced.
it is known that their radiation level is halved after T, T being the half life of that particular element.

when we measure the radiation level of that element, using the half life theory , we can deduce the age of the radioactive element, thus the age of whatever we want, assuming that that thing is created approximatively at the same time with the radioactive element.

begitu ler citer nye ..

ps: suddenly i tak reti nak explain dalam bm .. hmmm
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Post time 17-7-2003 01:18 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 2003-7-16 22:41:
Baru la bernyawa sikit thread ni....baru happy sikit
so How are you Papa???

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my reply:-

sebenaqnya kan apa yg i nak bagi tau ni ialah dlm bendalir yg mel ...


ha'ah .. electrical law memang ada analogy dengan aliran darah ..

I = dQ/dt
R = ape tah i dah tak ingat / diameter
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Post time 17-7-2003 01:26 AM | Show all posts

heyy

salam KAk SARah..how are you
bonjour
commo allez-vous?
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Post time 17-7-2003 01:26 AM | Show all posts

hmm

[quote]Originally posted by Sarah_Radzi at 2003-7-17 01:18:
ha'ah .. electrical law memang ada analogy dengan aliran darah ..

I = dQ/dt
R = ape tah i dah tak ingat / diameter
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Post time 17-7-2003 02:11 AM | Show all posts

salam mhscf.........

panajng lebar betui....terer..

pada pemahaman aku dari posting hang,..hukum ohm dikaitkan/analogy dgn flowrate darah dlm badan ka?..aku ingat berkaitan dgn electronic system dlm badan...
darcy law yerrr?...ehmmm tak penah dgq ...ni first time dgq....tapi konsep dia sama dgn ohm law la yer....

dlm keadaan rehat 5 l/min?...from jantung then kembali ke jantung ka?...

dlm badan kita ada berapa liter darah ?...normally...?
berapa diameter salur darah?....adakah dekat jantung diamter lebih besar dari lain2 tempat...?
aku penah baca..tapi dah luupa kat mana, dia (buku tu ) kata salur darah kat kapla enstein lebih besaq dari manusia biasa yg lain..betui ka?..
sebabnya depa kata , salur darah besaq, bermakna lebih oxygen dibekalkan...
betui ka?..

boleh terangkan pasai impuls tu..impuls conduction and membrane potential?
sikit2 pon tak pa....


salam mbcshf.....
bless you.......
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Post time 17-7-2003 03:09 AM | Show all posts

salam SDR Mail Golok..

[quote]darcy law yerrr?...ehmmm tak penah dgq ...ni first time dgq....tapi konsep dia sama dgn ohm law la yer....
[/quote]
heh ini hydraulic priciples sure you yg blajaq quantum ni tau...

dlm keadaan rehat 5 l/min?...from jantung then kembali ke jantung ka?...


resting man 5.5 litres yer..danboleh jadi 25 l/ minkalau kita buat exercise or anything yg exertive...

dlm badan kita ada berapa liter darah ?...normally...?


yg menaglir 5.5 lither lah tapi yg tersimpan kat capillary / venules / veins .artrioles tu yg acts as a reservoir...tu yg boleh samapi 25 litres tu..masuk nya

berapa diameter salur darah?....adakah dekat jantung diamter lebih besar dari lain2 tempat...?

yes  salur darah akan jadilebih halus  jika lebih jaug dr heart ..pandai pun..who am I kidding? org quantum la kan...

aku penah baca..tapi dah luupa kat mana, dia (buku tu ) kata salur darah kat kapla enstein lebih besaq dari manusia biasa yg lain..betui ka?..
sebabnya depa kata , salur darah besaq, bermakna lebih oxygen dibekalkan...
betui ka?..

yg ni chek tak tau laaa..
yg penting lagi banyak org tu pikiaq lebig bnyk conncetions like dendrites //synaptic cannection dai bertambah ...tu je la yg chek tau  hik hik hik..

boleh terangkan pasai impuls tu..impuls conduction and membrane potential?
sikit2 pon tak pa....[/color


ni...kena tau pasai kepekatan sodium ions / potassium ions and so on..la...
ini dikaji kebanyakannya dlm excitable cells such as neurons and cardiac  le..
yg ni baru unit ampere tu ...
kena tau bhgn dlm sel ade byk potassium [ K+] and luaq cell ade sodium [ Na+}
ions potassiumni suka keluaq drpd dlm cell  to extracellular compartmentsebab kepekatan dia  tinngi so dia keluaq ke bhgn yg kepekatan rendah... dan soal  keluaq  ion K+ ni adalah via channel la...
yg hanya bagi k+ je yg keluaq..so bila lame -lame  sangat bhgn dlm cell tu pun negative ler samapi satu hap kan..sbb ade stu ketika kadar charge luaq dan dlam cell tu somehow kena balance utk jamin eletrical neutrality..ini //ade equation dia tapi lupa la...istilah equilibrium potential....
dan fenomena yg mane bgn dlm cell tu negative dan lua cell tu positive lah yg kita refer sebabgai membrane potential ...sbb ade gradient kan..mcm voltag econcept la ka..beza upaya.....tu la yg I ingat i lupa la kena rujuk nota balik....

istilah yg deap dok guna ialad depolarisation
hyperpolarisation


ni kena rujuk nota lupa lah
p/s: mana di acreta kucin erwin tuu amboiii..tak mau cite ke???

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