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Post time 1-5-2008 10:44 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
Nak tanya semua otai2,

I sedang tolong my friend. Maknanya, dia buat home recording, pakai PC Dell dan software Accoustica 2.0 . Speaker Dell , mic & Headphone jenis Logitech.

My PC pun lebih kurang sama. cuma my PC klon, but byk dr Dell kot hihihih.


Kisahnya begini, lepas my fren dah siap, dia bagi I dgr. So bagi dia, mmg pithcing accurate. I dgr pun pitching accurate.

Masalahnya, bila kami dapatkan komen lagi 2  kawan, my kawan tu bermati2an kata pitching larikkk. so kami perrtikaikan laah sbb mmg bagi kami pitching accurate. So dia lak bermati2an kata pitching lari.

So kami berempat ni, pengetahuan pasal vocal n recording ni lebih kurang sama,  so mcm mana leh benda2 clear cut leh ade 2 pihak bertentangan kan. sbb bab pitching2 ni mmg clear cut. so either pihak A atau pihak B yg tone deaf. Tp tak mungkin sbb we know each other punya capabilities....


So i terbukak hati takmo gaduh2, and  listen to my opponent friend. mmg dia kata pitching lari. i diam aje, sbb to me, n my fren yg buat recording tu, mmg pitching ok.


lepas tu, kawan i yg buat home recording tu, belilah hardware yg sama mcm my opponent. dia beli headphone.  Hari ini!.


So to his surprise, bila pakai headphone X ni, pitching larikk!!!. tp bila tukar ke headphone and speaker asal... pitching amat ok, dan merdu sekali.  malah suara mmg bulat. tp kalau kat headphone X, yg sama mcm my opponent, pitching lari, and hignote jadi tak bulat and nyaring kecik.


so kami semua stunned!!!! dan ala2 flabbergasted. maknanya, selama ni, ade org dgr his singing, or in fact mine singing, yg disebabkan hardware berlainanan (tak kiralah PC ke, atau, headphone) akan menyebabkan u dgr tak sama mcm apa yg kami dgr!!!!  yg mana, pithcing yg ok, jadi tak ok, suara yg tebal jadi kecik dan nyaring

so apa pendapat kawan2 pasal benda ni. sbb benda ni mungkin berlaku kat uolsz....


so kami simpulkan, kalau dia record and do mixing guna hardware yg berteraskan bass ( ni takde kena mengena dgn setting but the hardware itself), so those yg dari hardware2 yg treble, akan menghadapi masalah. sbbnya, hardware treble ni, akan low kan, high frequency , dan increase lower frequency ( yg ni pun i tak pasti) tp ni our theory. so akibatnya, kelebaran wave tu jadi lebih kecik and so, note2 jadi tunggang langgang. sore besar pun jadi kecik akibatnya. ada sesapa sound engineer yg leh bantu?. and advice?.   sbb ni dari our finding lah.  kebetulan among us ni, ada yg dalam rumah ade 3 or 4 pc. termasuk laptop. malas ade mcm2 jenis headphone, so kami tak sangkalah benda2 ni mempengaruhi.

yg pasti, kami dapat notice, tanpa ubah apa2 configurasi, .............. kami tukar hardware je, sama speaker atau headphone.... product A, kalau dgr BASS/drum tehcno/R&B bunyi dia dhub dhub, dhub dhub.....

but kalau pakai hardware B, bunyi bass ni akan jadi DHED DHEDD, DHEDH DHEDDDD.   ala2 treble camtu...


so bagaimana nak overcome benda2 ni?. sbb kalau kami dgr muzik2 artis, bunyi bass aje yg kami notice different, tp pitching ok.  mungkin kah, kita kena pakai sofwatre yg mana, bila kita reverbkan suara, dynamic kan suara, mastering kan suara, so dia akan comply ke apa jua jenis hardware!!!!


so dalam kes disini, i bagi contoh, i selalu dgr suara shuffeak, amat kecik, and ala2 tercekik gituuu... so i rasa, maybe his hardware adalah treble, and bila ke my hardware yg bass, dia jadi lari...   padahal suara shuff bulat ...  


moral of the storyyy : what u hear, IN YOUR PC, not necessarily same bila u hear kat PC org lain, or bila u guna headphone lain.... the outcome maybe akan buatkan u terkejut ungka   

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 Author| Post time 1-5-2008 10:49 PM | Show all posts
jadi waht shoudl we do to overcaome this matter?
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Post time 1-5-2008 10:56 PM | Show all posts
tapaham
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Post time 1-5-2008 11:09 PM | Show all posts
err....maksudnye sora oja kat demo len dr senornye kew?
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 Author| Post time 2-5-2008 12:14 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by shuffeak at 1-5-2008 10:56 PM
tapaham



maksudnya,


1. sore u akan berubah, dr satu pc ke pc yg lain, atau dari satu headphone ke headphone lain, bergantung kpd jenis2nya

2. maybe disebabkan software yg kita guna tuk mastering/mixing tak sync dgn hardware kita sendiri, atau hardware org lain
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 Author| Post time 2-5-2008 12:15 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by seroja at 1-5-2008 11:09 PM
err....maksudnye sora oja kat demo len dr senornye kew?



kat PC i sore u ok,

tp sore shuff, mmg betul2 jadi sore kecik dan halus ala2 gitu,
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Post time 2-5-2008 12:23 AM | Show all posts

Reply #6 alyana's post

before neh kaka yana guna pc sapew?

bg oja... yg main peranan tuh... MIC. mcm mic oja.. ada munyik puhhh puhhhh tuh.. annoying kan?  software plak... demo2 oja tuh.. ada yg guna sony sonfoj, adobe audition & acoustica mixcraft....  and demo oja yg fers tuh...  spec 1 & spec 2 : rekod direct ke laptop.. tak edit. ori.

laptop mula demo dulu guna toshiba. then baru guna Dell.
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Post time 2-5-2008 12:25 AM | Show all posts

Reply #7 seroja's post

owh ya... acoustic mixcraft tuh plak.. ada yg version 2 (2.5?). vers 3 and vers 4 (err. .abg reez guna vers 4 kan?)
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Post time 2-5-2008 01:52 AM | Show all posts

Reply #6 alyana's post

oja rs outcome tuh bergantung pad software.. speaker. cam demo2 kat sini .. if oja transfer p hp.. bgs sekali bunyi nyer
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 Author| Post time 2-5-2008 11:28 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by seroja at 2-5-2008 01:52 AM
oja rs outcome tuh bergantung pad software.. speaker. cam demo2 kat sini .. if oja transfer p hp.. bgs sekali bunyi nyer



agree sgt2, masalahnya kalau speaker n software player, atau mic to berasaskan treble, dia akan buat kita sounded buruk, and even pithcing larikk. maybe kalau frequency yg tinggi dia reduce jadi turun, so as if kita tak smapi keyyy. atau bila llow frequency dia naikkan, as if kita tak cecah low note pulakkk...
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Post time 2-5-2008 01:21 PM | Show all posts
aku aku pasti, kalau kau pasang lagu kat headphone dengan speaker akan lain bunyi nya...
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Post time 2-5-2008 02:32 PM | Show all posts
abes tu.. masa cari idol dulu mesti ramai yang "terlari pitching" kan???   
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Post time 2-5-2008 05:37 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Leybra at 2-5-2008 02:32 PM
abes tu.. masa cari idol dulu mesti ramai yang "terlari pitching" kan???   

rasanya macam tu la abg bra...sebab kan aku heran jugak bila aku nyanyi ngam pitch kat headphone, orang yang dengar guna speaker biasa dengan pitch lari gila babi...bila aku try guna speaker, memang banyak picth error berbanding masa guna headphone...
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Post time 2-5-2008 05:41 PM | Show all posts

Reply #13 Urban_Iz's post

nak kene tanding semula kew?
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Post time 2-5-2008 05:47 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by seroja at 2-5-2008 05:41 PM
nak kene tanding semula kew?

cari idol 2 kita guna contestant yang sama nak??? tengok kalau oja still jadi juara???

p/s: kalau buat macam ni nanti orang fikir syok sendiri plak...
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Post time 2-5-2008 06:01 PM | Show all posts

Reply #15 Urban_Iz's post

soweeeee   tawaran ditutop
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