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sutera_abadi

Dear Fren,
wa nak tanya u all smuee...
masih ada lagikah penempatan / perkampungan di singapura ni?

Di Sembawang walaupun terdapat mjd petempatan melayu sembawang, tapi penempatan / perkampungan melayu disana dah kena roboh.

(Yg wa dengar di Lim Chu Kang masih terdapat perkampungan masyarakat cina yg menjalankan aktiviti pertanian/ penternakan/ perkebunan di sana.)

herokampong

Originally posted by sutera_abadi at 20-1-2004 10:46:

Dear Fren,
wa nak tanya u all smuee...
masih ada lagikah penempatan / perkampungan di singapura ni?

Di Sembawang walaupun terdapat mjd petempatan melayu sembawang, tapi penempatan / perkampungan melayu disana dah kena roboh.

Tu masjid klassik beb, Masjid As-Syafaah (a.k.a. Masjid Naval Base).... dah roboh ke? atau in the midst of dirobohkan? :cry: Dari MRT station kalau jalan ok, tapi jauh jugak... sedih kalau sampai sana je tengok dah takder... Tu masjid baru yang dorang nak bina (across the street) tengok macam commercial abis je...

Tempat Sembawang Park sana pun ader satu masjid klassik... kalau solat boleh dengar bunyi ombak. Mana ader masjid lagi pat sini, korang leh dgr surrounding macam tu... aman... Tu pun mesti satu hari nanti abis jugak...

(Yg wa dengar di Lim Chu Kang masih terdapat perkampungan masyarakat cina yg menjalankan aktiviti pertanian/ penternakan/ perkebunan di sana.)

Dengar? Memang ader lah pat situ... dorang nyer family, clan, 2-3 turun temurun sumer ader pat situ...

Pasal perkampungan pat sini... dulu aku tengok 647km瞇/b], masih ada lagi... tapi tinggal rangka

sutera_abadi

thank HK for your reply.

wa nak tanya, penempatan melayu kat Lorong buangkok ada lagi tak?
ke dah kena roboh jugak?

sutera_abadi

Masjid ni wa tau... just a walking distance from my house kat sini.
Masjid Naval Base belum roboh lagi coz Masjid As-Syafaah blom dirasmikan lagi.

Sooner or later, Masjid Naval Base pasti tinggal nama aje....

Originally posted by herokampong at 2004-1-20 12:33 PM:
Tu masjid klassik beb, Masjid As-Syafaah (a.k.a. Masjid Naval Base).... dah roboh ke? ...

herokampong

Originally posted by sutera_abadi at 20-1-2004 12:38:
thank HK for your reply.

wa nak tanya, penempatan melayu kat Lorong buangkok ada lagi tak?
ke dah kena roboh jugak?

mana ader tanah

sutera_abadi

Oh yee....  keee?
eniway, kat Pulau Ubin masih ada lagi ke kampung 'melayu' kat sana?

[quote]Originally posted by herokampong at 2004-1-20 12:42 PM:
mana ader tanah

this kind of suasana kampung,very difficult to experience in singapore....to siapa2 yang pernah dulu tinggal kampung dia orang should know.dulu ada lori 36 pintu (can't remember the exact number of pintu).......angkat barang "toxic" tu.those were the days lah....
dulu i went hiking kat gunung ledang,naik kereta api tak ingat stop kat mana,tidor kat railway station for the night.in the morning when i woke up...in front of me was this big field with tall grass and there were a number of lembu.wow so excited lah...never seen this in singapore.the  mist was still hanging in the air and the place looked kind of hazy.went to the provision shop yang 2 tingkat and the swallow was flying all over to their nest.you look up and you can see the nest.
lu balik kat singapore,semua nya concrete........concrete jungle !!!!

chicsee

Ya lah.... best tinggal kampung.  Suasana best, udara nyaman.  Bila hujan banjir, main pat luar terpijak taik ayam....

letitbe

bekbaik woiiiiiiiii ejen isd ramai kat forum nih!!!!!

deaf4ever

dah takde la Sut....
pada aku semua dah habis....
dah takde konsep "KAMPUNG MELAYU" lagi...

Tapi sebagai bahan jenaka, boleh la kita panggil Projek Gajah Putih kat Geylang serai tu sebagai Perkampungan Melayu...
nanti kejap aku nak ketawa -

deaf4ever

Originally posted by letitbe at 20-1-2004 05:47 PM:
bekbaik woiiiiiiiii ejen isd ramai kat forum nih!!!!!

aku tengok Letitbe ni,
teringat aku pasal porum kat history, myth tu....

Sut, ko tak mau PM PM lagi?

sutera_abadi

Hai Let, selamat datang ke bod s'pore ni. ops sori bod s'pore & brunei.  
Kalau lu ada idea, sila-sila lah buat posting kat bod ni...
hee...  hee...   hee..

Originally posted by letitbe at 2004-1-20 05:47 PM:
bekbaik woiiiiiiiii ejen isd ramai kat forum nih!!!!!

sutera_abadi

Yup aku masih ingat sejarah tu...
sejarah pertemuan PM lu ngan PM wa...
haaa...  haaa...  haa...   haaaa....      
kalau tak, sampai sudah, wa  tak tau ada lelaki s'porean kat sini beside bhai.

Originally posted by deaf4ever at 2004-1-20 07:24 PM:


aku tengok Letitbe ni,
teringat aku pasal porum kat history, myth tu....

Sut, ko tak mau PM PM lagi?

sutera_abadi

Aku pon tompang gelak gak..  

Originally posted by deaf4ever at 2004-1-20 07:23 PM:
Tapi sebagai bahan jenaka, boleh la kita panggil Projek Gajah Putih kat Geylang serai tu sebagai Perkampungan Melayu...
nanti kejap aku nak ketawa - ...

mutusamy

Originally posted by sutera_abadi at 20-1-2004 11:07 PM:
Aku pon tompang gelak gak..  

aku gelak tu, gelak jugak.

tapi sedey pun ader tengok so called perkampungan melayu.
macam idup segan mati tak mau.
takde tarikan langsung

letitbe

jgn gelak series nih!!!!!

sutera_abadi

wa baca TST ari ni nyer......

masih ada lagi 'so called' perkampungan melayu di s'pura ni....
iaitu Kampung Lorong Buang Kok di Punggul......

tapi keadaan disana  

deaf4ever

aku pun heran la.......


tengok macam kampung melayu sepenuhnya....


bila banjir datangkan masalah kat penduduk kawasan tu,

tapi apasal macam lepas tangan je sesetengah pihak?:hmm::stp::stp:
cakap nak belanja 10million tak ' COST EFFECTIVE '. Habis tu terus lepas tangan ke apa? :siok::siok::siok:

Betul jugak la tu MP cakap -  Ada perbezaan antara tak buat apa2 ngan belanja $10juta...
Dorang bijak pandai kan, mesti ada cara lain kurangkan masalah orang kampung ni ngan belanja yang kurang.


Walau bagaimana pun, wa respek orang kampung tu, ngan jugak MP dia.
Siap ngan gunakan perkataan --  " GOTONG ROYONG" bila masuk TV news omputeh, dan masuk sokkabar omputeh...
Respek habis..

deaf4ever

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,240657,00.html?

No spare $10m? Get out the changkul
Folks of Kampung Lorong Buang Kok, led by their MP, are rolling up their sleeves to do what they can to fight the floods

By Arti Mulchand

THEY are not getting the $10 million to make their homes flood-proof, but residents of Kampung Lorong Buang Kok are not going to just watch the water levels rise when it pours.



They are taking matters into their own hands, and will deepen their own ditches by removing silt, said their MP Wee Siew Kim (Ang Mo Kio GRC), who visited them yesterday.



It is dangerous to use this path after heavy rains, residents say, as the bridge becomes submerged by the waters. -- ONG CHIN KAI


'It's a little gotong royong project,' he said, using the Malay phrase to describe the spirit of helping others.

'It's on a shoestring budget. We'll try and get free excavators and changkuls (heavy Chinese hoes), and then get the residents in motion.'

The effort, over the next few months, will be limited in effect, though, he said. 'It may help a little, especially if the villagers do it regularly.'

Mr Wee is having to come up with creative solutions for the flood-prone kampung off Yio Chu Kang Road, after Environment Minister Lim Swee Say said that spending $10 million on helping the kampung's 28 households was not 'cost-effective'.

That would be the bill for improving drainage or raising the ground level.

Mr Wee agreed that $10 million is a lot in a year with an austere budget. 'But there is a whole spectrum of solutions between doing nothing and spending $10 million.'

Timelier warnings, which are now being done, and relocation, are options, he said.

But most of the residents, many of whom have lived in the kampung for decades, say they won't move. Headman Awe Ludin, 69, who has lived there for 50 years, said: 'Flooding problem or not, I will stay put. I can't live elsewhere.'

Despite the canal at Gerald Drive, built in the 1970s, the place, which goes by the Malay nickname 'kampung of hitching up sarongs', still floods, especially when heavy rains coincide with high tides, like it did last Monday.

Then, the water was knee-high and at least 13 households sustained some damage.

The village is bracing itself for a possible round two next Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, when the tides are expected to be exceptionally high again.

Mr Wee's other suggestion was small-scale drainage projects. But he has found few technical solutions.

For example, pipes below the soil to divert the water away from the houses cannot be used, as the level of water under the earth is too high.

And until an answer is found, he said he will do all he can to help the village weather the weather.

Other MPs have also spoken out in support of at least some help, especially since kampungs here are nearing extinction.

Mr Charles Chong, MP for Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC, said: 'We shouldn't lose connection with our roots. And preserving it means it can't be flooded every time it rains heavily. If the floods force people to move, a piece of our history could be gone forever.'

deaf4ever

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,240603,00.html?

Floods and family fights... kampung head tackles it all (in between his two jobs)


NOW is a particularly difficult time for Kampung Lorong Buang Kok resident Awe Ludin.




As the ketua kampung, or village head, the 69-year-old has to deal with the conflicting desires of the villagers.



Meeting MP Wee Siew Kim, Mr Awe points out where a new drain would serve better than the old one. -- JOYCE FANG


They want to be free of the floods but, at the same time, don't want their Pak Awe to speak out too much.

'They're scared that if we ask the Government to do too many things, they will tell us to just go away from the kampung,' the father of six and grandfather of 13, said in a mix of English and Malay.

It is one of the most difficult situations he's had to deal with since being picked to be village head during what he calls a 'kampung election' two years ago, when the-then head Mr Mahmood (Pak Hitam) died.

'This kampung doesn't have a lot of problems. Only the flooding,' he said.

There is a kampung on Pulau Ubin, but Kampung Lorong Buang Kok is believed to be the last remaining kampung on the mainland and most of its remaining residents are elderly.

'If I die, I don't know who will be able to take over,' said Mr Awe, who has called the place home for the last 50 years.

In addition to being the village head, he also holds down two jobs: in the morning, he works as a driver at the Bukit Sembawang Estate, and in the evening, he's a security guard for offices in Jalan Pemimpin.

Between jobs, he makes the major village decisions and helps residents in their day-to-day lives.

During the fasting month, it is his job to strike the village gong to tell people when they should pray. He conducts the prayers and tells them when they can break their fast.

He also maintains the village mosque and collects money from the villagers when it needs repairs.

If a villager dies, Mr Awe organises a collection for the family and conducts all the necessary prayers.

Once in a while, they also seek his opinion on family problems and he sometimes finds himself having to settle domestic quarrels.

'I go there and tell them that we are living together in the kampung and that fighting like that is not good.'

The kampung's link to the outside world is Mr Awe's daughter, Madam Noraini Musa, 37, who married and then moved to a Housing Board flat in Serangoon North 10 years ago.

About 10 years ago, some of the villagers installed flush toilets, only to presented with a $1,000 bill they could not afford.

'They asked me to ask my MP for help,' said Madam Noraini.

'But for village problems, they go to my father.'

Mr Awe also regularly calls kampung meetings, like the one he will have this Sunday, to seek the villagers' permission on decisions that affect them, like whether he should accept his MP's invitation to represent the kampung on the neighbourhood committee.

'I must ask them first whether I can or not. But I think they will say I can.

'If the neighbourhood committee listens when I talk and they can help us, it will be good for the kampung,' he said.
  




Nak tengok newsclip pasal banjir ni semua, pegi ni page -


http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/video/0,3459,,00.html?