Recruiting Women For Terror

Debmey

Does that justify what the Palestinians are doing when they force women to be homicide bombers?

Sephiroth

by WICKED

So...that shows that my statement is not a cheap crap as what you've thought, Phoolan Devi as my reference to Debmey's statement is not just  empty words void of meaning. The character being described by Debmey really suit her.  I have all her information in the book that im reading now and I dont have time to  look at any pornstar website like you might have done.

Wrong ... do you know why? Phoolan Devi is not a Goddess as you describe. She is not a terrorists like Muslims and finally, she don't blow herself up.

And I really don't know what Debmey said to you. ;)



by Gapodio

I do read that is why I'm in disagreement with your cheap shot. Pls point to articles that say thera are force conversion to Islam ........ I hope you wont' classified married and convert as force conversion as you do have the choice ...

Go and read those articles. Don't play dumb.

BTW how do you link Iran-Iraq-Kuwait war and PAS-UMNO disagreement as force conversion?

Iraq (Syiahs) fight Iran because of them being Sunni followers. PAS fight Umno which they considered to be infidels. Same what.

Iraq (Syiahs) fight Iran because of them being Sunni followers. PAS fight Umno which they considered to be infidels. Same what.[quote Seph]

:no: PAS & UMNO are just political differences. Certain terms used by PAS have been politically slanted by UMNO & several terms used  by UMNO have been politically slanted by PAS. I'm not saying its good - its bad.

But we were on religion and not the politics of it (which is what Syiah and Sunnis are all about ~ politics). But, since you want to bash Islam, lets take a look at whats in the url below. Can I also say that the Brahmins fight or rather murder the "untouchables" because they think they are more superior? ~ this is not political I know, its 'deeply religious'.
;)


http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_381121.html?menu=

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 18-6-2004 at 05:33 PM ]

Debmey

So do all of the above justify what the Palestinians are doing when they force women to be homicide bombers?

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-18 05:27 PM:
So do all of the above justify what the Palestinians are doing when they force women to be homicide bombers?

That is a politically/religiously/racially/dementedly slanted statement & it can only come from one person in this forum ~ the demented one.

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 2004-6-18 05:11 PM:
by Gapodio

[quote]I do read that is why I'm in disagreement with your cheap shot. Pls point to articles that say thera are force conversion to Islam ........ I hope you wont' classified married and convert as force conversion as you do have the choice ...

Go and read those articles. Don't play dumb.

BTW how do you link Iran-Iraq-Kuwait war and PAS-UMNO disagreement as force conversion

?

Iraq (Syiahs) fight Iran because of them being Sunni followers. PAS fight Umno which they considered to be infidels. Same what. [/quote]


I can only with this kind of argument ...... what else can I say? ...

Sephiroth

by KENNKID

PAS & UMNO are just political differences. Certain terms used by PAS have been politically slanted by UMNO & several terms used  by UMNO have been politically slanted by PAS. I'm not saying its good - its bad.

Good ... at least we agree on something.

But we were on religion and not the politics of it (which is what Syiah and Sunnis are all about ~ politics). But, since you want to bash Islam, lets take a look at whats in the url below. Can I also say that the Brahmins fight or rather murder the "untouchables" because they think they are more superior? ~ this is not political I know, its 'deeply religious'.

Wrong ... there is nothing religious about Caste system as seen now in India.

In various Hindu texts like Shiva Puranas (texts related to Lord Shiva) and Vishnu Puranas (texts which related to Lord Vishnu, including Bhavagad Gita), judging a person to be low just because he was born in a family which does menial labor (low caste) IS a SIN. Period.

Sephiroth

by Gapodio

I can only  with this kind of argument ...... what else can I say? ...  

You don't need to say anything, what you can do is stop playing dumb and read history more. ;)

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-18 05:27 PM:
So do all of the above justify what the Palestinians are doing when they force women to be homicide bombers?

What are U referring to "all of the above" .....


.....Have you rape or commited adultry with your wive? :cak:

Wrong ... there is nothing religious about Caste system as seen now in India.

In various Hindu texts like Shiva Puranas (texts related to Lord Shiva) and Vishnu Puranas (texts which related to Lord Vishnu, including Bhavagad Gita), judging a person to be low just because he was born in a family which does menial labor (low caste) IS a SIN. Period.[quote Seph]

Good. I certainly hope so ~ especially in practice, not just in theory. ;)

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 2004-6-18 05:40 PM:
by Gapodio

I can only  with this kind of argument ...... what else can I say? ...  

You don't need to say anything, what you can do is stop playing dumb and read history more. ;)

Problem is it seems that we read different sourse ... so I can only agree with you if you presented your source .... isn't it?

Pas accuse UMNO as infidel and fight in election consider as FORCE CONVERSION? .... :cak:

Originally posted by Gapodio at 2004-6-18 05:44 PM:


Problem is it seems that we read different sourse ... so I can only agree with you if you presented your source .... isn't it?

Pas accuse UMNO as infidel and fight in election consider as FO ...

Heheh..

Debmey

Originally posted by KENNKID at 2004-6-18 05:36 PM:


That is a politically/religiously/racially/dementedly slanted statement & it can only come from one person in this forum ~ the demented one.[/colo ...

The truth is, yu have no answer to it cos the islamic positionsit contradicts the very concept of morality and human rights.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-18 05:53 PM:


The truth is, yu have no answer to it cos the islamic positionsit contradicts the very concept of morality and human rights.

Your  dementedness is getting dangerously deeper into  insanity.

Seraphim

Originally posted by KENNKID at 18-6-2004 05:43 PM:
Good. I certainly hope so ~ especially in practice, not just in theory.

Ooo..i really like this phrase..More like it's prominent in Islam than anything else..

Originally posted by Seraphim at 2004-6-18 06:17 PM:


Ooo..i really like this phrase..More like it's prominent in Islam than anything else..

:nots more prominent in born again Christian Bush's 'freedom & democracy'.

DARSITA

Question:
A study of world history would show that Islam and terrorism are extreme opposites. Then why all this tirade against Islam in Western media? I will be grateful for your comments.  

Answer:
You are absolutely right. There is no meeting point between Islam and terrorism as practiced by terrorist groups in different parts of the world. Terrorism involves the indiscriminate use of force to achieve certain objectives. In Islam, the use of force is allowed only in special situations, particularly when the Muslim community is threatened by hostile forces. Then again, the use of force in a campaign of jihad is determined by the leader of the Muslim community in a very orderly way. The enemy will be well identified, and the use of force is only a last resort. However, what is happening in some parts of the Muslim world today involving same groups which are often described as "fundamentalists", is not always accurately reported or portrayed. Now let us be clear about principles. Islam does not allow the use of force against peaceful civilians. Moreover, using military tactics against an established government and causing in the process the loss of life among civilians is a very serious matter. There will be some people who will try to justify it on the basis of Islamic principles. What we have learned from trusted authorities on Islam is that such use of force is not acceptable at all. We must remember that God did not allow the Prophet and his companions to use force against the non-believers in Makkah, despite the fact that the believers were subjected to a campaign of persecution that caused the death of several people and subjected many to enormous torture. Moreover, God stopped the Muslims from fighting the non-believers in Makkah at the time of Hudaibiyah stating in the Qur'an that had a fight taken place, the Muslims would have been victorious and the non-believers would have run away. Yet He ordered the Prophet to accept the peace agreement which seemed to be unjust to Muslims. The Prophet declared to his companions that he would accept any conditions which would prevent bloodshed. Therefore, resorting to terrorist campaign in order to change a government is not acceptable although the government may be a bad one and follows un-Islamic policies. However, we must also recognize that there is a sustained effort to associate Islam and the advocacy of implementing Islam with terrorism. This is part of the worldwide campaign to prevent Islamic revival. Therefore, we must not believe any report about Muslims resorting to terrorism tactics, unless we are absolutely certain of what has taken place and why it took place in the way it happened. There is much at fault with news reporters and media coverage of such events.  
Source:
www.Islamicity.com

[ Last edited by DARSITA on 6-7-2004 at 11:45 AM ]

DARSITA

Originally posted by Gapodio at 17-6-04 01:18 AM:
Really? Funny no one told me that either (Islam spread by sword)

In bible maybe

GE 34:13-29
26: They slew Hamor and his son Shechem with the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went away.
27: And the sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and plundered the city, because their sister had been defiled;
28: they took their flocks and their herds, their asses, and whatever was in the city and in the field;
29: all their wealth, all their little ones and their wives, all that was in the houses, they captured and made their prey.

In bible maybe

Is it telling about the evil of men or advocated by God? Also are they spreading religion in the name of God & religion?

Debmey

Question:
A study of world history would show that Islam and terrorism are extreme opposites. Then why all this tirade against Islam in Western media? I will be grateful for your comments.  

Contrary to what is commented above, history does show a clear link between Islam and terrorism and these terrorism were put to a stop only by force.
We can see that, most terrorism in this world today are committed in the name of islam and has the support of Muslims world wide.

Answer:
You are absolutely right. There is no meeting point between Islam and terrorism as practiced by terrorist groups in different parts of the world. Terrorism involves the indiscriminate use of force to achieve certain objectives.

All in the name of islam chanting allah akbar.

In Islam, the use of force is allowed only in special situations, particularly when the Muslim community is threatened by hostile forces.

Throughout history, jihads were fought in an invasive manner throughout the middle east, north Africa , the Caucasus, Europe and Indian subcontinent. There was absolutely no threat or oppression to Muslims before these invasions by Muslims.

Islam does not allow the use of force against peaceful civilians.

Yes it does, civilians were targeted all the time.

Moreover, using military tactics against an established government and causing in the process the loss of life among civilians is a very serious matter. There will be some people who will try to justify it on the basis of Islamic principles. What we have learned from trusted authorities on Islam is that such use of force is not acceptable at all.

So why support Palestinian terrorists and Al Qaeda? Why cheer in your hearts at 911? Why?

We must remember that God did not allow the Prophet and his companions to use force against the non-believers in Makkah, despite the fact that the believers were subjected to a campaign of persecution that caused the death of several people and subjected many to enormous torture.

It was Mohamad who started attacks against the Meccans first. No Muslim, not even one was robbed or attack prior to Mohamad's provocation. Show me one account of a Muslim being robbed or killed by Meccans in Quran or hadiths before Mohamad started attacking meccans and I will leave this forum and become a Muslim.

Moreover, God stopped the Muslims from fighting the non-believers in Makkah at the time of Hudaibiyah stating in the Qur'an that had a fight taken place, the Muslims would have been victorious and the non-believers would have run away. Yet He ordered the Prophet to accept the peace agreement which seemed to be unjust to Muslims. The Prophet declared to his companions that he would accept any conditions which would prevent bloodshed.

Mohamad accepted peace only because he was weak. He broke treaties conveniently when he became strong.

Therefore, resorting to terrorist campaign in order to change a government is not acceptable although the government may be a bad one and follows un-Islamic policies.

We see Muslims trying to undermine govts consistently all over the world and resorting to terrorism.

However, we must also recognize that there is a sustained effort to associate Islam and the advocacy of implementing Islam with terrorism.

Can the world help doing that when that is what Muslims are sayig and doing it themselves?

This is part of the worldwide campaign to prevent Islamic revival.

Jihad is islamic revival.

Therefore, we must not believe any report about Muslims resorting to terrorism tactics, unless we are absolutely certain of what has taken place and why it took place in the way it happened. There is much at fault with news reporters and media coverage of such events.  
Source:
www.Islamicity.com

Muslims must not lie anymore and be in denial. It does no one any good.