Malu Dengan Sejarah Silam

razifah · Post time 20-5-2007 01:17 PM

Bab peruntukan tue ifa memang setuju jugak.....hanya org2 yg kerja dalam bidang tue jer yg akan mengerti.

veitchac · Post time 20-5-2007 07:17 PM

jgn malu ngn sejarah silam bangsa sendiri beb....
maybe the reason why derang tak masukkan kerajaan2 yg terdahulu dlm buku sejarah sbb tak byk recoreded history...maybe info2 lisan yg derang ragu2 nak masukkan...

btw, i nak tempek sket sejarah2 org Iban...dulu kitorang mmg anut agama Hindu..asal dari area2 kalimantan gitu....

Early Iban Migration History - Part 1

Myth and History - Early Migrations and the Origins of Iban Culture

In ancient times, when the island of Borneo was still only sparsely inhabited, those who dwelled there lived in fear of many kinds of demons, dwarfs and spirits. These beings might either look after men or else punish them with death if they broke taboos.

As spirits (antu) were everywhere, men had to be very careful in what they said and did. They could not speak arrogantly when they fished the river or hunted the forests. If they did so, boasting that they could easily obtained fish or game, their efforts would come to nothing. Similarly, an individual was strictly forbidden to mock other living things; if he did so, the spirit would destroy him with kudi, a violent supernatural storm in which a culprit and all his belongings were turned to stone (batu kudi). Houses and human beings believed to have been petrified in the past can still be seen in many places in Sarawak.

Migration from Kapuas River mouth upriver: Where the Ibans meet the Arab Traders.

In these very early times, because of the presence of spirits all around them, settlers in Borneo frequently discussed the nature and dwelling place of the gods and spirits, to find the best way to worship and pay respect to them. The Muslim missionaries had already started to arrive to trade and spread their Islamic teachings to this part of the country. They had already established their foothold in the islands of Sumatra and Java and gradually weakened the Hindu Majapahit Empire. It was at about this time, at a place called Ketapang in Northwest Kalimantan, there lived a very famous Iban ancestor named Bejie. The Muslim missionaries had frequently spoken of the almighty god named Allah whose abode is high in the sky. The people began to believe that this god is living above all other deities of this world. On hearing this, Bejie thought of an idea to visit the almighty Allah in the sky to ask god personally about the best way for his people to worship and pay respect to god. He called for a large meeting of his people to discuss the construction of a stairway, on the tallest enchepong tree in the country, to reach heaven. They all agreed to his proposal hoping that they could reach god抯 house in heaven.

The ladder was constructed from ironwood (belian) trunk. The base of the ladder was planted at the base of the enchepong tree branches to reach the next branch. Eventually, after some years, the top of the ladder stood above the cloud. As Bejie and his men, all dressed up to visit almighty Allah in the sky, made a final climb to heaven. As they proceed up the ladder, the enchepong tree unfortunately gave way due to the sheer weight of the ironwood ladder. Its root had been rotten and eaten away by termites throughout the construction period. As the ladder collapsed, Bejie and his followers fell headlong to the earth. The ladders landed on various rivers throughout the west-central Borneo. Any ironwood trunk which may be found inside many rivers, are known as 揟angga Bejie

HangPC2 · Post time 21-5-2007 10:36 AM

First time dengar Orang Iban Dulu Beragama Hindu..

HangPC2 · Post time 21-5-2007 10:37 AM

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remizati · Post time 21-5-2007 12:17 PM

terkejut gak dgr yg org iban asalnya hindu...

thamrong · Post time 21-5-2007 01:56 PM

Good information! I'll try to dig up some materials on this subject. Thanks veitchac.

veitchac · Post time 21-5-2007 05:12 PM

no worries...
yg part agama Hindu tue, kalau nak info sini byk la...
hehehe

http://gnmawar.wordpress.com/

veitchac · Post time 21-5-2007 05:18 PM

kat sini ade state yg first agama yg sampai kt org Iban was Hindu time zaman Raja Durong jadik ketua tribe Iban...thats why now kalau u tgk adat2 org Iban, byk sama ngn Hindu nye konsep..walaupun x sume, but sedikit sebanyak bitau yg dulu kala, mmg ada pertemuan budaya antara tribe Iban ngn Kerajaan Majahapit...kalau diselidik2, mmg ramai pahlawan/pedagang Iban yg merantau ke Tanah Melayu, Singapura, Filipina, Sumatera dr era 1800-1900...name pon Sea Dayaks...n tak mustahil, ade derang yg ended up kt Kerajaan2 Melayu mcm Melaka, Temasik etc etc, n kawen ngn gadis2 tempatan.....gitu lah

http://gnmawar.wordpress.com/ada ... f-adat-iban-part-2/

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ijad_adiputera · Post time 23-5-2007 02:21 AM

Originally posted by veitchac at 20-5-2007 07:17 PM
btw, i nak tempek sket sejarah2 org Iban...dulu kitorang mmg anut agama Hindu..asal dari area2 kalimantan gitu....

Ijad nk betulkan fakta sikit...
org Iban BUKAN beragama Hindu....
Agama org-org Dayak (termasuk kaum Iban) dikenali sebagai Kaharingan (bermaksud 'kehidupan'), sejenis kepercayaan tradisional penduduk pribumi Dayak Borneo khususnya di Kalimantan yg kuat dipengaruhi oleh agama Hindu-Jawa...
Di Indonesia, ia dikenali sebagai Hindu-Kaharingan dan dikategorikan sebagai salah satu cabang dlm agama Hindu-Indonesia...

Di Indonesia, undang2 negara tersebut hanya mengiktiraf 5 agama saja - Islam, Kristian (Katolik & Protestan), Hindu, Konfucius dan Buddha saja...
Ini menjadikan agama Kaharingan sebagai tidak sah dri segi undang2...
ini memaksa ramai kaum Dayak termasuk Iban di Indonesia meninggalkan agama Kaharingan dan menganut agama Islam dan Kristian (Protestan & Katolik)....

jadi untuk menyelamatkan agama Kaharingan drpd pupus, maka golongan veteran Dayak di Indonesia meletakkan status agama Kaharingan di bawah payung agama Hindu-Indonesia....
Ini berdasarkan faktor sejarah dimana agama Kaharingan semmgnya kuat dipengaruhi oleh agama Hindu-Jawa memandangkan Kalimantan pernah menjadi jajahan Majapahit...
Tindakan ini berjaya menyelamatkan Kaharingan drpd pupus & diiktiraf sah dri segi undang2 Indonesia....

Secara simboliknya, agama Kaharingan di indonesia dikenali sebagai Hindu-Kaharingan dan menjadi sebahagian dari agama Hindu-Indonesia tetapi sbnrnya ia hanyalah dua kepercayaan yg berbeza di mana Kaharingan hanya berpayungkan agama Hindu untuk survival agama tersebut...

Di M'sia, agama org Dayak hanya dikenali sebagai Animisme saja dan ia tidak diiktiraf sebagai sebuah agama tetapi hanya sebagai 1 kepercayaan animisme semata2..
ini memandangkan semakin ramai org Dayak di S'wak yg menganut agama Kristian dan Islam....
Maka, kisah ttg agama Kaharingan di M'sia kurang mendpt perhatian...

Malahan, ramai org Dayak M'sia (termasuk org Iban) tak tau pun yg agama org Dayak ni dipanggil Kaharingan atau Hindu-Kaharingan di Indonesia...
tetapi sejarawan di negara kita tidak menafikan yg adat resam & kepercayaan org2 Dayak mmg menunjukkan terdpt pengaruh agama Hindu terhdp kaum tersebut...

sila rujuk wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayak_people di bwh tajuk "religion" ataupun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaharingan ttg agama Kaharingan...

p/s: Semua fakta di atas ni Ijad tau pun sbb hasil bacaan dri laman web Indonesia ttg org Dayak sbb Ijad pon berminat nk mengkaji dgn lebih mendlm ttg agama Hindu-Kaharingan ni...

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veitchac · Post time 23-5-2007 07:02 AM

+1

betul tue

Show all posts · Post time 25-5-2007 11:18 PM

regret to know tat dCrook was feeling shameful about the hindu-budhha..why must be care so much for the past?

dCrook · Post time 27-5-2007 08:54 AM

Originally posted by alize13 at 25-5-2007 11:18 PM
regret to know tat dCrook was feeling shameful about the hindu-budhha..why must be care so much for the past?

Ohohoho...don be conpius.. Not me le bebeh, certain people still quite malu about their hindu-buddha past.i 've found a lot of blogs yang kate that it's such a waste to excavate lembah bujang bcoz it is as if we are trying to glorify hiduism. I'm proud of our hindu-buddha past, and more proud when we became muslims. I think it is better if bace from the first post la.

izza_dude · Post time 27-5-2007 10:31 PM

aku penah pegi Lembah Bujang kat Kawasan Merbok, Kedah.
Tempat dia agak jauh gak dr Sg Petani.
Kawasan tu dulu antara kawasan yg terkenal dgn pelabuhannya dan tpt menyebarkan agama Hindu...
Terdapat banyak tinggalan sejarah kat sana...
Cuma masa pegi sana aku terkonfius dengan info sejarah yg aku belajar masa STPM dulu...
Kawasan pelabuhan terkenal selepas Selat Melaka tapi..apsal sungai dia sgt2 kecik n kapal x leh masuk..
(air terjunnya mcm xde air jer)...
Tapi tulah kenyataannya..
tanya punya tanya rupanya pedagang masuk dgn guna sampan kecil n kawasan lembah bujang lebih digunakan utk menyebarkan agama hindu..

Aku tak rasa masyarakat Melayu malu dengan sejarah lama kita...
malah byk meresapkan adat Hindu dlm kehidupan seharian cth perkahwinan, melenggang perut dsb...
Yg ptg, mana yg baik kita ikut, mana yg x elok jgn ikut la

HangPC2 · Post time 28-5-2007 10:52 AM

perubahan muka bumi macam kat sungai kat terengganu atau perak dahulunya boleh dilalui oleh kapal bersaiz besar tetapi sekarang kawasan sungai tuh air cetek dan sungai menjadi sempit contoh paling dekat tengok sungai melaka

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ijad_adiputera · Post time 28-5-2007 10:59 AM

Originally posted by HangPC2 at 28-5-2007 10:52 AM
perubahan muka bumi macam kat sungai kat terengganu atau perak dahulunya boleh dilalu oleh kapal bersaiz besar tetapi sekarang kawasan sungai tuh air cetek dan sungai menjadi sempit contoh paling ...

..
pernah masuk RTM dulu...
dulu ada byk sungai besar2...
tp byk diantara sungai2 nih dh jd cetek & kecil...
malahan ada 2-3 sungai yg dh kering kontang terus...
tp 'bekas tapak' sungai tu masih kekal smpai la skrg...
bila tgk pon nmpk sgt dulu itu bekas sungai...

berg81 · Post time 28-5-2007 11:55 AM

Kita kena bersyukur dengan adanya pendakwah2 agama terdahulu.. agaknya kalau dakwah Islam x sampai mau kita nie pun pie kuil gak..nauzubillah..

HangPC2 · Post time 28-5-2007 01:03 PM

Originally posted by berg81 at 28-5-2007 11:55 AM
Kita kena bersyukur dengan adanya pendakwah2 agama terdahulu.. agaknyakalau dakwah Islam x sampai mau kita nie pun pie kuilgak..nauzubillah..

Tengok macam Bali

dCrook · Post time 28-5-2007 04:37 PM

Originally posted by ijad_adiputera at 28-5-2007 10:59 AM

..
pernah masuk RTM dulu...
dulu ada byk sungai besar2...
tp byk diantara sungai2 nih dh jd cetek & kecil...
malahan ada 2-3 sunga ...

Erm.. tak salah aku Sungai Kelang pon agak besar gak masa tahun akhir kurun ke 19. Kalau lah dijaga sungai kelang dulu, mungkin kita akan ada river cruise dekat KL hehehe.