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Halilintar · Post time 16-3-2009 12:45 AM

Then...apsal you gelar dia infamous?

Infamous ni sinonim to notorious...maknanya 'famous' sebab benda yang kurang baik. Kalau you gelar dia famous, takda sebarang masalah...tapi infamous?

Dia famous sebab benda yang tak baik ka?

dexa · Post time 16-3-2009 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Halilintar at 16-3-2009 00:45
Then...apsal you gelar dia infamous?

Infamous ni sinonim to notorious...maknanya 'famous' sebab benda yang kurang baik. Kalau you gelar dia famous, takda sebarang masalah...tapi infamous? ...

actually bila sebut infamous tu... juga bermaksud
terlalu dikenali...

boleh pada positive juga - - sebab cerita tentang historical
figure ni.. boleh kita sebut infamous juga -

infamous: similar words: well-known, celebrated, renowned,
eminent, noted, legendary

the infamous shakespeare -

tapi kalau nak tulis tentang negative or well-known for being evil
boleh tulis macam ni:

the infamous mafia -  al capone -

tak ada salah dalam semantic tu... -
jarang ada orang tulis ' the famous shakespeare'...
or something like that.. - it is correct though -
just not common aje -

apa2 pun... memang shakespeare ni sangat terkenal
atas karya2 classic nya

cuma satu aje yang comedy iaitu
the merry wives of windsor --  best baca cerita tu -

[ Last edited by  dexa at 16-3-2009 07:01 ]

Halilintar · Post time 16-3-2009 11:35 PM

Belum pernah baca orang guna 'infamous' untuk positif...besar kemungkinan memang tak ada...sebab rasanya you memang dah misunderstood makna infamous tu dari awal...

Kalau cek antonim untuk infamous -
1. reputable. 2. praiseworthy, admirable.

Maknanya infamous ni lebih kepada something like nefarious, odious, ataupun wicked...dan sinonim yang you beri kat atas (well-known, celebrated, renowned,
eminent, noted, legendary) sumanya tersasar dari makna sebenar...a quick check kat online dictionary pon dah boleh provekan...

Saya minat jugak Shakespeare wpun tak berapa mana...dan selalu jek baca orang tulis the famous Shakespeare...tiba2 ada orang tulis dia infamous...tu yang rasa mcm nak naik angin sikit...

hunny_sapik · Post time 17-3-2009 02:45 AM

Halilintar is right.
Infamous means being famous for having a bad reputation,well-known for smth bad.

dexa · Post time 17-3-2009 06:18 AM

Originally posted by Halilintar at 16-3-2009 23:35
Belum pernah baca orang guna 'infamous' untuk positif...besar kemungkinan memang tak ada...sebab rasanya you memang dah misunderstood makna infamous tu dari awal...

Kalau cek antonim untuk inf ...

actually synonym yang saya berikan tu adalah dari dictionary juga -
kalau you ada baca buku2 literature - shakespeare to be specific
memang penulis ada tulis - contoh:
quote from infamous shakespeare -

saya tak denykan infamous is - famous for being bad -
tapi maksud saya bila tulis infamous - can be
meaning terlalu di kenali dan memang tidak salah
dalam grammatical jika saya tulis dalam tulisan saya
the infamous shakespeare

tak ada apa yang awak nak naik anginkan -
kerana itu terpulang pada masing2 punya POV -
up to me to think him as being infamous -
people ada perbezaan pendapat masing2 -

saya tak misunderstood langsung -
saya tulis - the infamous bonnie and clyde - yup
'dan saya juga tulis the infamous shakespeare
bukan kerana dia jahat... tapi tulisan tu tujuan
nama shakespeare ni impertinent - tu maksud overall tulisan saya

bukan tak pernah tulis essay tentang hal ni - plenty of time
dan banyak essay2 saya tentang shakespeare masa kat college
memang saya mentioned the infamous shakespeare - nothing
wrong with that -

the infamous watergate
the infamous michael jackson -

you can write that - nothing wrong grammatically -

because famous and infamous aren't exactly opposites either.
-b oth indicate the individual, or whatever, is very well known.

and it's true that famous is typically in a good way, infamous in not a good way
not deny that either --

however sometimes fame and infamy depend on what side of the fence the viewer sits on.
whether General Custer and Sitting Bull are famous or infamous,
depends a lot on your viewpoint.

- in my defense in this case, I would like to point out that flammable and inflammable
do mean exactly the same thing...go figure.

meaning of infamous (adjective)
well-known for something

just as i said... depends on your point of view
and it's nothing wrong to write the infamous shakespeare -

dexa · Post time 17-3-2009 06:20 AM

Originally posted by isegrim_82 at 10-3-2009 14:15
ensem apa.. pakai baju ada renda2 gitu.. hahaa..

lelaki zaman sekarang pun suka baju renda2 dah....
sometimes siap ada lace lagi -

just FYI - walter raleigh ni mati executed (beheaded kalau tak silap)

JFK · Post time 18-3-2009 11:23 AM

Originally posted by dexa at 10-3-2009 06:45
Potret sebenar Shakespeare ditemui?

http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/pix/2009/0310/Kosmo/Dunia/du_11.1.jpg
WAJAH Sir Walter Raleigh.

http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/pix/2009/0310/Kosmo/Duni ...

prof emeritus kepala bapak...dah berjuta tahun shakespeare mampos dia x leh detect lagi mana satu muka shakespeare...bodo pnya org puteh emeritus...semua bnda nak sensasikan..esok lusa gerenti ada keluar muka shake yg baru yg ala2 darwin plak hahahha

^^langkasuka^^ · Post time 18-3-2009 04:37 PM

muka jambu

Halilintar · Post time 18-3-2009 04:50 PM

Meaning yg saya tulis kat atas derived dari Meriam-Webster dan Oxford Advanced Learner's.

Dah cuba carik meaning yang you bagi (well-known, celebrated, renowned, eminent, noted, legendary) tapi belum jumpa...dari kamus mana you quoted? care to share?

"The infamous watergate, the infamous michael jackson" memang grammatically correct...sebab watergate dan Michael Jackson ada 'negatif' connotation...watergate sebab skandal yang menjatuhkan Nixon, MJ sebab ada khabar yang dia tu child molester.

Tapi dalam kes Shakespeare, ada tak apa2 yang dia buat yang warrant dia digelar infamous?

Flammable dan inflammable mmg sama...tapi how about fallible dan infallible, eligible dan ineligible? seems to me you still hold the view famous dan infamous tu sama meaning, macam kes flammable dan inflammable, which is wrong...

It's not about POV...it's about meaning suatu word yang dah diguna dalam konteks yang salah. Banyak kali dalam ayat awk kat atas awk stress yg awk tulis infamous untuk beri makna 'terlalu dikenali'...which is wrong.

Sebab tu adalah interpretation awk sendiri. Interpretation yg sebenar (dari dictionary) bawa makna yg lain. Dan awk nak impose interpretation awk pada org lain...tu yang (pada saya) tak berapa kena. U deviate dari fact. Are you bigger than the dictionary? What if, one day, somebody tulis 'the infamous Prophet of Muhammad?'

Sorry to sound a bit pedantic...but kadang2 rasanya perlu go to great length to explain something...

NoraHay_08 · Post time 18-3-2009 05:08 PM

bila pulak shakespear nih terkenal hensem?tp lukisan tuh nampak cam baru jee

dexa · Post time 19-3-2009 07:25 AM

Meaning yg saya tulis kat atas derived dari Meriam-Webster dan Oxford Advanced Learner's.

Dah cuba carik meaning yang you bagi (well-known, celebrated, renowned, eminent, noted, legendary) tapi belum jumpa...dari kamus mana you quoted? care to share?

i am sure if you have time to go a great length to look at all the oxford's, webster etc...
.. you can find time to look and find other dictionaries too -- cari aje... jumpa la nanti -

"The infamous watergate, the infamous michael jackson" memang grammatically correct...sebab watergate dan Michael Jackson ada 'negatif' connotation...watergate sebab skandal yang menjatuhkan Nixon, MJ sebab ada khabar yang dia tu child molester.

Tapi dalam kes Shakespeare, ada tak apa2 yang dia buat yang warrant dia digelar infamous?

gs ... well... saya memang cakap dari segi grammatically... dan dari segi grammatically
memang tak salah langsung kalau saya gelar shakespeare infamous shakespeare -
you wouldn't know whether he ever have any enemy or whatnot would ya? -
it is other people prerogative to say infamous or famous -
some might not accept the infamous jesse james... especially if they feel he
was such a brave person.. fought for his right etc -- (and ignored about
he robbed the train.. etc..)

clearly, since in the beginning, i am not even talking about positive trait or
negative trait... i was merely mention about my sentence - which to me
was grammatically correct when i said the infamous shakespeare -

and please refer to my post #22 and #25 -

depends whatever side you are on -

Flammable dan inflammable mmg sama...tapi how about fallible dan infallible, eligible dan ineligible? seems to me you still hold the view famous dan infamous tu sama meaning, macam kes flammable dan inflammable, which is wrong...

well.. exactly.. when i wanna hold the view about famous and infamous
meaning the same 'very well known' - i think it is still hold the right meaning -
and for me it is correct -

if you cannot accept my POV -then that's your prerogative
i am not here to convince you or even ASK you to accept my view
i only expressed my view in this syntax -- eh -

It's not about POV...it's about meaning suatu word yang dah diguna dalam konteks yang salah.

of course it is about POV - as i said -
some people will say general cluster -- the famous general cluster
especially from confederate
some won't - they called him the infamous general cluster
and you know what? - that's still correct and it is up to their POV -

Banyak kali dalam ayat awk kat atas awk stress yg awk tulis infamous untuk beri makna 'terlalu dikenali'...which is wrong.

nope - tak salah pun... - and it is true that infamous hold the same
meaning with famous -
and macam saya dah cakap - yup it is true that 'infamous 'mostly
refer to the negative trait --- however - up to the person who wanna
view any character that she / he said -

Sebab tu adalah interpretation awk sendiri. Interpretation yg sebenar (dari dictionary) bawa makna yg lain. Dan awk nak impose interpretation awk pada org lain...tu yang (pada saya) tak berapa kena. U deviate dari fact. Are you bigger than the dictionary? What if, one day, somebody tulis 'the infamous Prophet of Muhammad?'

well, yeah.. it is my interpretation.... so? just like others who won't view general
cluster as being famous but infamous -
it is - up to the person who view that point - who are you to direct anyone not to say
this or that.... when someone wanna say their POV -

excuse me... haha.. - ..bila pulak saya NAK IMPOSE interpretation saya pada orang lain -
i've never corrected anyone who wanna say  the famous shakespeare -
you wanna write 'the famous shakespeare' --  welll go ahead make my day (macam kata harry callahan) -

lol @ i am bigger than dictionary??
really?  sapa yang cakap macam tu... -
i never even said such thing...  seems that you just type macam nak marah2 la pulak...
and it is really a petty matter kalau awak tak setuju dengan saya

BECAUSE  - saya tak ambil pot pun if you disagree with me -
it is not even a matter of life and death.. untuk saya argue dengan awak
sana sini.. about it --
yang nampak jelas.. awak aje yang dok sana sini  'bengang' sebab
saya tulis  infamous  dan awak DISAGREE dan macam2 pulak tulis pasal tu -

even awak tulis famous shakespeare pun.. saya tak ada kata apa2 because
saya rasa ... you have your right to write that... - saya setuju atau tidak
tu masalah saya la kan.. - tak yah la saya nak hu ha hu ha  marahkan awak
sebab awak tulis lain dari saya --- tapi nampaknya awak tak macam tu --

thus - your 'accusation - saya nak IMPOSE interpretation saya pada orang
lain  was baseless --

and what i can see here -  awak aje yang 'naik angin' and wanna contradict my view -
(as you said it yourself -- pasal naik angin tu.... gs)

again - it is my prerogative to say which and after learning a lot about shakespeare
and even writing exams in university about him when took literature - get a grade good even -
i still hold my view about my grammatically correct -- the infamous shakespeare -

and if you still can't accept that - well... that's really your problem, eh....

i can accept any - you wanna write famous shakespeare ... by all means -
and i still will write  the infamous shakespeare....
because  to each his own....

Sorry to sound a bit pedantic...but kadang2 rasanya perlu go to great length to explain something...

no need to apologize even if you sound pedantic which paying too much
attention to rules and unimportant details -

i am not the one who wanna argue about petty matter -

and i think this is the last post i am going to write about it -- cuz for me it is not
about who is right.. who is wrong... - thus - i hope please do not go
off topic in this thread - -

you wanna talk about english - grammar etc... go to School Problem board -
and you can peek at the thread discussed about it ---

*posting in english only
*dictionary - english - english
*amE/ briE

perhaps we can learn more there --

thanks -

dexa · Post time 19-3-2009 07:27 AM

Originally posted by NoraHay_08 at 18-3-2009 17:08
bila pulak shakespear nih terkenal hensem?tp lukisan tuh nampak cam baru jee

baru found out aje shakespeare macam hensem -
(walau pun tak sehensem jamal )
sebab... depa baru realized....oh oh ... walter raleigh punya
gambar tu actually shakespeare -

kulit dia macam nampak soft aje kan --
mungkin dia mandi pakai goat's milk soap juga la tu
macam cleopatra -- gs -