OCTO***** TENTACLES

RedChaSiew

these guys are an octopuss.. their tentacles are all over the world.


also read this-->http://www.rense.com/Datapages/zionismdata.htm

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New Zealand Cuts Israeli
Links In Spy Row
By Kathy Marks in Sydney
and Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem
7-16-4

New Zealand suspended high-level diplomatic relations with Israel yesterday after two suspected Mossad agents were jailed for six months for passport fraud.
  
Uriel Zoshe Kelman and Eli Cara were sentenced at Auckland High Court for trying to obtain a passport in the name of a wheelchair-bound man with cerebral palsy. Minutes later, New Zealand's Prime Minister, Helen Clark, launched a blistering attack on Israel, saying its actions had "seriously strained" relations between the two countries.
  
A furious Ms Clark said her government regarded "the act carried out by the Israeli intelligence agents as not only utterly unacceptable but also a breach of New Zealand sovereignty and international law".
  
The affair is being cited as the biggest diplomatic row to hit New Zealand since the Rainbow Warrior debacle of 1985, when the country severed relations with France after French secret agents sunk the Greenpeace flagship in Auckland Harbour.
  
Kelman, 30, and Cara, 50, were arrested in March after a passport officer became suspicious of a telephone call. He noted that the caller had an American or Canadian accent and called the disabled man's father. The pair had obtained the man's birth certificate and were using it in their attempt to secure a passport. One claimed to be a travel agent from Sydney, although there was no evidence that he operated a business in Australia.
  
The men's motives were not clear, but a New Zealand passport is regarded as anodyne and guarantees visa-free access to many countries.
  
Two other Israelis believed to be involved in the attempted fraud left the country before it was uncovered, police said. One was named as Zev William Barkan, 36; the identity of the other man was not known. The four had travelled in and out of New Zealand on numerous occasions in the past four years.
  
Kelman and Cara denied being members of Mossad, but Ms Clark made clear that she had no doubts about their identities. "New Zealand condemns without reservations these actions by agencies of the Israeli government," she said.
  
She announced diplomatic sanctions including the suspension of high-level visits to Israel by New Zealand government officials and a veto on a request by the Israeli President, Moshe Katsav, to visit the country next month.
  
The Wellington government also cancelled talks planned between the two foreign ministries later this year and said any Israelis visiting New Zealand on government business would have to apply for a visa. Approval of the appointment of a new Israeli ambassador to New Zealand has been put on hold.
  
The two men both admitted trying to obtain a New Zealand passport illegally, which carries a maximum penalty of five years. They also admitted working with organised crime gangs to obtain a false passport.
  
The relatively light sentence was handed down after they changed their plea to guilty at a court hearing two weeks ago. As well as being jailed they were ordered to give $50,000 (

Yeah, and Doctor Octopus is Zionist splinter cell and Spiderman is Arafat's man.

RedChaSiew

..and i enjoy takoyaki velly much.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by RedChaSiew at 16-7-2004 15:35:
..and i enjoy takoyaki velly much.

Ice man!!!! yeah!

RedChaSiew

..do u know what is takoyaki..? get some from Osaka velly nice.

RedChaSiew

Do you know what Albert Einstein said about Zionism??

http://globalwebpost.com/farooqm ... ein/nyt_letter.html

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by RedChaSiew at 26-7-2004 15:01:
Do you know what Albert Einstein said about Zionism??

http://globalwebpost.com/farooqm ... ein/nyt_letter.html

Wow!!! Let us see what has Debmey and Seraphim got to say on this regarding Einstein's remarks, a jewish himself.

[quote]Letters to the New York Times
December 4, 1948

New Palestine Party
Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed

TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the 揊reedom Party

This is one topic dumbey and his zionist friends try to avoid discussion, possibly throwing a red herring to deflect the topic. I'm not surprise they are many SAYANIM in Singapore as they are around the world. Dumbey could be one of them as he is so zealously committed to the zionist cause, even sacrificing his christian cause. What are sayanim? They are mossad local assisstants. Read about it in the net.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by salman at 27-7-2004 22:15:
This is one topic dumbey and his zionist friends try to avoid discussion, possibly throwing a red herring to deflect the topic. I'm not surprise they are many SAYANIM in Singapore as the ...

:cak:

RedChaSiew

.. there are also plenty of smart jewsih people who are non neocons and non zionist.

..you can be a `zionists` without being jewish.

smart people are (example):
albert einstein, noam chomsky, John Kaminski, sherman skolnick

Hear Hear,

Isn't Menachem Begin first time visit to Washington is in 1977? How did a 1948 Letter to the Editor of New York Times quoting Begin's 29 yrs later visit????

Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 28-7-2004 09:47 AM:
Hear Hear,

Isn't Menachem Begin first time visit to Washington is in 1977? How did a 1948 Letter to the Editor of New York Times quoting Begin's 29 yrs later visit????

Hey do you think that the letter was written only after he became the prime Minister of Israel? probably his visit to Washington in 1977 was considered as first official visit as Prime Minister!

[ Last edited by WICKED on 28-7-2004 at 10:55 AM ]

what are you talking about? Please elaborate.

RedChaSiew

>>> Freedom Party

[quote]Originally posted by RedChaSiew at 28-7-2004 10:54 AM:
>>> Freedom Party

Red, in 1948 it was David Ben Gurion.

RedChaSiew

go and read the biography of Menachem. we are talking about P-A-R-T-Y not Prime Minister.

Nanooo Nanooo.

Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 28-7-2004 11:03 AM:
Red, in 1948 it was David Ben Gurion.

Begin first joined the Socialist Zionist youth movement Hashomer Hatzair. At the age of 16 he
embraced the ideas of the Revisionist Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky and became a member of the Betar
Zionist youth movement in Poland. He received a law degree in 1935 from the University of Warsaw
and took over leadership of Betar.

In 1939, when the Nazis invaded Poland, Begin fled to the Soviet Union. He was arrested in
September 1940 and charged with espionage. He was taken to a concentration camp in Siberia,
where he was sentenced to eight years. Soviet authorities freed him in 1941 as part of an accord with the
Polish government-in-exile that allowed for the freeing of 1.5 million Poles. Begin then found his sister,
the only other surviving family member, and became active in helping Jew immigrate to their land.

He soon joined the Free Polish Army. The stint took him to Iran and then Palestine. He learned
English from listening to BBC Radio. He then served in the British Army in Palestine as an interpreter
until 1943. At that time, he became the leader of the liberation movement Irgun Tzvai Leumi -- Etzel --
whose means were more effective than the mainstream Haganah, with which he disagreed over how to push
the British out of Palestine.

In 1946, under his leadership, the Irgun blew up a wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, where
the British were headquartered. Some 90 people -- Jews and Arabs, as well as British- were killed,
despite warnings that there would be a bombing.

Begin's picture was posted in all British prisons and offices in Palestine. The British conducted an
extensive manhunt for Begin, who had a price on his head that began at $8,000 but rose to $50,000. Begin
escaped the British dragnet by disguising himself as a bearded Rabbi Israel Sassover.

Begin wrote about his days with the Irgun in "The Revolt." He also wrote another book, "White
Nights," about his time in a Soviet labor camp.

Begin helped found the Herut party in 1948 and was from then to 1967 leader of the opposition in
the Knesset. In 1969 he was named minister-without-portfolio in a national unity cabinet.

In 1977, after Israel had lived under the exclusive domain of the Labor Party for nearly three
decades, Begin's Likud bloc managed, in a stunning election upset, to unseat the veteran party, which
was then riddled by dissension and tainted by economic scandal.

Good grief!

Menachem Begin did join Zionism but he pulled out. He is of the opposition party. Ben Gurion REFUSE to accept Begin and his pal Herut as coalition partners in his government. So how can Begin represent Zionist party to Washington?? Begin played a key role in establishing the Gahal faction (a merger of Herut and the more progressive Liberal Party) in 1965.

Ben-Gurion, who felt Revisionists were endangering the drive toward statehood, sought to undermine and discredit them. He intensified these efforts when Zionist activist Menachem Begin, leader of the Revisionists in the 1940s, increased militant actions against the British.

Dear Wicked,

This should end the confusion, in your own words: Begin helped found the Herut party in 1948 and was from then to 1967 leader of the opposition in the Knesset

Also, Begin's FIRST visit to America is in 1977!