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Defense Department Sticks With M-16s Despite Problems
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec07/rifles_09-24.html
As the Senate continues to debate military spending in Iraq, the NewsHour presents the second of three reports on how the Defense Department decides to equip U.S. troops, continuing with a look at M-16 rifles.
PAUL SOLMAN, NewsHour Economics Correspondent: The M-16 semiautomatic rifle. With its shorter version, the M-4, it's the gun of our troops in combat. The hat's for the sun, by the way; the earmuffs for the noise. Jim Sullivan helped design this rifle during the Eisenhower administration.
JIM SULLIVAN, M-16 Co-Designer: Fifty years ago.
PAUL SOLMAN: Fifty years ago?
JIM SULLIVAN: Well, we started on it 50 years ago this month.
PAUL SOLMAN: That's 1957, the year the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. In the half-century since, computers shrank from houses to handhelds; polio was cured; man made it to the moon and Mars. And what kind of advance was there in our combat rifle?
JIM SULLIVAN: They're right exactly where they were when we gave them the M-16 in 1960. They haven't advanced an inch.
PAUL SOLMAN: Meanwhile, the competition, says Sullivan, the Soviet-designed automatic Kalashnikov AK-47, is in its third generation, as the AK-74.
JIM SULLIVAN: That AK-74 out-hits the M-16 by two to one on full automatic. And the reason that there was 100 million AKs made wasn't to equip the Russian army. It was to give to our third world opponents so the United States can't win ground wars anymore. It's the rifleman and his rifle, that's what decides ground wars.
PAUL SOLMAN: The rifle Sullivan would have his own son use in Iraq today? The opposition's.
JIM SULLIVAN: He should have an AK.
PAUL SOLMAN: Really?
JIM SULLIVAN: Yes.
Risk of a jam
PAUL SOLMAN: In fact, says Iraq vet Todd Bowers...
TODD BOWERS, Iraq War Veteran: If I'm going to a rifle range with my friends, I'm more than likely going to reach for the AK-47, a, because I know it's not going to jam, and, b, because I know it's going to function in a proper method.
PAUL SOLMAN: The M-16, it turns out, is still plagued with problems it experienced from the outset. A finicky device, it has jammed from the jungles of Vietnam to the deserts of Iraq, the suburbs of northern Virginia.
TODD BOWERS: Just last month, I was actually on the rifle range to qualify with the Marine Corps, and my weapon jammed twice while I was on the range, and this is in the most simple conditions. This is laying in the prone position on a knee, not violently shaking the weapon, and it still jams under those conditions.
PAUL SOLMAN: Still jams 50 years after its birth. So why hasn't the U.S. stayed on technology's cutting edge in rifles? Well, says Sullivan, the rifle is a low-ticket item -- around $600 -- and big-ticket items get the lion's share of the money and attention. Big contractors, the bulk of the business.
But more important may be the sheer size of our system for procuring weapons, a function of what President Eisenhower dubbed the "military-industrial complex," a system that, said Ike back in 1961, already worked against techie tinkerers like Jim Sullivan.
DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER (R), Former President of the United States: Today, the solitary inventor tinkering in his shop has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.
PAUL SOLMAN: Though he's now 74, Sullivan's intellectual curiosity is still his long suit. In the years since the M-16, he's debuted a new rifle, something called the Ultimax, to rave reviews. He didn't make it in or for the United States, however, but the country of Singapore. He's also invented a 100-round magazine for the Ultimax, the M-16 and M-4. It's being used by England, Germany, even famously neutral Switzerland. But the U.S. Army...
JIM SULLIVAN: Doesn't use this thing.
PAUL SOLMAN: They don't use it now?
JIM SULLIVAN: No. I mean, our soldiers are still limited to 30-shot magazines. That's what they're trying to fight with over there in Iraq. This is emptied in full auto in three seconds. It takes him about five seconds before he can fire the next shot. That's just like a giant malfunction, OK? During that time, the man's helpless.
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The military procurement system
PAUL SOLMAN: Now, of course, we asked the Army for a response to all this. But instead of an interview, they sent us what they called their M-4 talking points, which don't address the new Ultimax or 100-shot magazine at all.
What they do say: "In a survey of soldiers who fought in Iraq last year, 89 percent reported satisfaction with the M-4," just a shortened M-16, remember, "and only 3 percent experienced a weapon stoppage that caused an inability to engage the enemy."
I see. Moreover, when we were shown new Army technology at the Pentagon recently, we saw some areas in which change was clearly embraced. The results: quite tasty.
Brigadier General Mark Brown runs the procurement system for what our troops wear and carry. He also cares about what they eat.
BRIG. GEN. MARK BROWN, U.S. Army: This is Hoppin' John. This is bacon and black-eyed peas.
PAUL SOLMAN: Hoppin' John is one of 24 different meals ready-to-eat, MREs, four of them vegetarian, all in packs that heat themselves, with a three-year shelf life.
BRIG. GEN. MARK BROWN: That's pork carnitas. Muy bueno.
PAUL SOLMAN: Yes. Well, this is really good, actually.
BRIG. GEN. MARK BROWN: It is. In the mountains in Afghanistan, it tastes really good.
PAUL SOLMAN: Especially compared to what food in the field used to be, the notorious k-rations. Even M-16 critic Todd Bowers loves this program.
TODD BOWERS: Our country has the most outstanding meals ready-to-eat possible. I won't lie to you. I ate one on Saturday. I had an extra one, and I had it for dinner.
PAUL SOLMAN: So the military procurement system can sometimes work wonders, it seems, for our troops at the front. And the military insists it has made improvements to the M-16 and M-4.
GEN. JAMES MATTIS, U.S. Marine Corps: This is what all infantrymen are equipped with today.
Scrutiny of M-16 add-ons
PAUL SOLMAN: Three-star Marine General James Mattis.
GEN. JAMES MATTIS: You notice the rail here that allows us to put on here various different appliances, whether it be a flashlight. Here's a way of putting a red dot on an enemy and firing based on that. Here is a scope, a four-power scope, that every infantryman has the option of putting on based on what kind of combat he's in. This is a much more capable weapon system.
PAUL SOLMAN: But Winslow Wheeler, who's been a staffer for four senators -- three of them Republican -- says a recent study shows the M-16 add-ons may do more harm than good.
WINSLOW WHEELER, Center for Defense Information: The more you hang extraneous stuff on the gun, the more likely it is to jam.
JIM SULLIVAN: It's reached the point of absurdity, all these sight systems. A walking man can't use sights very well, and so you fire from the hip, full automatic in the assault, and that's where the word "assault rifle" came from.
PAUL SOLMAN: But, says ex-Marine Colonel Jim Magee, who's worked inside the Pentagon and out as a military contractor, the procurement system is interested in sticking with and improving a product it knows and understands.
COL. JIM MAGEE (Ret.), U.S. Marine Corps: Procurement guys, they want a long-term contract.
PAUL SOLMAN: Why?
COL. JIM MAGEE: Because that's their metric for success. The fact that technology changes, that's not their issue. Once it's in procurement, like the M-16 or the M-4, long-term program, been here forever, hell, been here when I came on active duty, the M-16. It's been improved incrementally over time, but it's a 41-year-old weapon. Come on, guys. You know, you're telling me something better is not out there?
Resistance to the M-16
PAUL SOLMAN: In fact, back in the '60s, the M-16 itself was considered such an outside-the-box product that the Army resisted it, so stubbornly it actually sabotaged it by using the wrong gunpowder, gunpowder it had been using for years and didn't want to give up. According to a famous House report in 1967, the Army's resistance, quote, "bordered on criminal negligence."
Forty years later, it's the M-16 that represents the status quo: stability. The main drive isn't to come up with something new, says Sullivan. Instead, it's simply...
JIM SULLIVAN: All the thousands of people that are, you know, in there working on these programs and spending hundreds of million on them, all of them don't want their job to be threatened. I think that's it. They want program longevity, to never have a conclusion, to always get, you know, follow-on contracts to keep these programs alive.
PAUL SOLMAN: So, at the end of the day, say Sullivan and others, the military procurement system has become so big and bureaucratic its very nature may be to resist innovation. The result: troops with critical products like the M-16/M-4 rifle that hasn't changed much in 50 years.
JIM LEHRER: Paul Solman's next and final report will look at a vehicle designed to protect troops from IEDs and other attacks. |
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:@ :@ kau nak tembak apeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bincang pasal M-16 tu...? |
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Reply #2 spiderweb6969's post
cuba aku teka...moral of the story...dgn segala banyak masalah ngan teknologi
50 tahun lalu... kenapa kerajaan kita masih berminat dgn M-4..... betul tak?
heheheh... 10 points utk aku... |
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Reply #4 zvicmorrow's post
ehehehe....betol tembakan ko. patut tuko jer pakai HK416 rugi jer beli M-4 bebanyak. |
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Reply #5 sumitriptan's post
kalau ikut hati aku mmg hk416 tu yang terbaik... tapii siapalah kita ya tak?
hanya mereka yang ada kepentingan sahaja yang memahminya...kesian infantri
kita...! |
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Reply #3 ChiLok's post
Apsal sekarang kalau ada thread baru... mesti ada jer forumner pelik2 tumpang lalu?? |
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aku pon perasan jugak..tapi as long diorang ok layan je la stand... |
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Reply #8 far-eiq's post
Nak gelar apa sindrom forumner yg pantang jumpa thread baru.. keja nak posting jer, lepas tuh hilang selamanya... "jumpers"?? |
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M16 ni kalau maintain betul betul dan tahu macam mana nak rectify bila dia start to jam sebenar nyer tak ada masaalah....bersihkan senapang dengan cara yang betul, mesti taruk minyak betul betul (bukan banyak banyak), kalau boleh kat kocek tu sedia kan kain yang ada sedikit minyak, jadi kalau ternampak dia dah mula nak berkarat, boleh lah gosok. because barrel M16 ni pada pendapat aku cepat berkarat. Lagi satu trick, jangan kasi jatuh atau terjatuh, alignment lari, minima nak kena zeroing tu rifle ialah kurang dari 18 peluru, untuk yang pakar menembak lah, yang "blinking kayu" boleh sampai lebih dari itu pun tak pas-pas. malahan semua askar yang baru belajar menembak akan di tunjuk ajar macam mana nak rectify tu semua....itu yang aku kena belajar lah bila time NS dulu, so aku assume full time soldiers macam kat malaysia pun diajar begitu jugak, yang buat aku terperanjat ni si JIM SULLIVAN rupa nyer yang buat M16.....because he is the one who help us with our Ultimax 100, world lightest machine gun. Funny thing is an American actually invent the world lightest MG and his country choose the belgium made one. yang best nyer dengan SAR 21 ialah tak perlu zero walau pun terjatuh....aku suspect AUG yang korang pakai sekarang pun tak kena zero.....
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mula mula memang lah susah, tapi kalau dah biasa kira ok jugaklah.....perkara dibawah ni kena buat tiap kali senapang terjatuh atau pun orang lain nak pakai, kerana setiap M16 unik untuk mata si pemakai sahaja......
Posted Tuesday, October 11, 2005
TASK- Zero an M16A2 Rifle
CONDITIONS- On a 25-meter range, given an M16A2 rifle, 18 rounds of 5.56-mm ammunition, a 300-meter zero target, and sandbags for support.
STANDARDS- Using 18 rounds or less, the soldier must battlesight zero his rifle by achieving five out of six rounds in two consecutive shot groups within the 4-centimeter circle. Bullets that break the line of the 4-centimeter circle will be used in evaluating the soldier's performance.
TRAINING AND EVALUATION-
1. The M16A2 rifle has two adjustable sights -- front and rear. Elevation adjustments are made using the front sight, and elevation changes and windage adjustments are made using the rear sight.
2. The sight systems. a. The rear sight has an elevation knob with range indicators from 300 to 800 meters and two apertures for range. One aperture is marked 0-2 for short range from 0-200 meters and an unmarked aperture for normal range from 300 to 800 meters. (1) The 0-2 (large) aperture is used for short range (Figure 107). This aperture is used only when the rear sight is all the way down. The 8/3 (300-meter) mark on the elevation knob is aligned with the index mark on the left side of the receiver.
(2) The unmarked (small) aperture (Figure 108) is used for normal range. This aperture is used for most firing situations. It is used in conjunction with the elevation knob for 300- to 800-meter targets. b. The rear sight also consists of a windage knob on the rear side of the sight (Figure 109). (1) Each click of the windage knob will move the strike on the round from 1/8 inch (.3 centimeters) at 25 meters to 4 inches (10 centimeters) at 800 meters.
(2) A windage scale is on the rear of the sight and the windage knob pointer is on the windage knob. c. The front sight consists of a rotating sight post with a spring-loaded detent (Figure 110).
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Rear sight
(Left) Unmarked aperture (Right) Windage knob.
Front sightThe front sight is moved up or down when zeroing the rear sight Once the rear sight is zeroed, the front sight post should not be moved Each notch on the front sight will move the strike of the bullet from 3/8 inch (0.9 centimeters) to 2 3/4 inches (7 centimeters) at 200 meters.
3. Sight adjustments. a. Rear sight.
(1) To adjust windage or move the strike of the round, turn the windage knob counterclockwise to move the strike to the left and clockwise to move the strike to the right (Figure 109).
(2) To adjust elevation, turn the elevation knob until the desire range is indexed at the index mark on the left side on the sight (Figure 107). b. Front sight. To adjust elevation, depress the detent and rotate the sight post (Figure 111). To raise the strike of the round, rotate the sight post in the direction of the arrow marked UP. Reverse the direction of rotation to lower the strike. 4. Zero the rifle. The following steps will establish a zero at 25 meters, your M16A2 rifle sights will be set with a 300-meter battlesight zero.
a. Establish mechanical zero on the rifle. (1) Align the windage indicator mark on the 0-2 aperture with the center line of the windage scale (the unmarked aperture is up) (Figure 109).
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Figure 111. Depress detent.. (2) Rotate the elevation knob down until the range scale 8/3 (300-meter) mark is aligned with the mark on the left side of the receiver (Figure 107).
(3) Rotate the front sight post up or down as require until the base of the front sight post is flush with the top of the sight post well.
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b. Zero at 25 meters.
(1) After setting the front and rear sights to mechanical zero, the elevation knob is rotated up (clockwise) one click past the 8/3 (300-meter) mark. The elevation knob will remain in this position until the battlesight zeroing has been completed. NOTE: Any changes in elevation required during the zeroing procedures will be made using the front sight post only. (2) Carefully aim and fire each shot of a three-shot group at the circle on the silhouette (Figure 112).
(3) If your shot group is not within the circle on the silhouette, use the squares on the target to determine the required clicks to move your next shot group into the circle (Figure 112). NOTE: The squares are numbered around the edges of the target to equal the number of clicks required to move the shot group to the circle. (4) To raise your next shot group, rotate the front sight post UP (clockwise). To lower your next shot group, rotate the front sight post DOWN (counterclockwise). One click will move the strike of the round one square on the target.
(5) To move the shot group to the left, turn the windage knob counterclockwise. To move the shot group to the right, turn the windage knob clockwise. Three clicks of the windage knob will move the strike of the round one square on the target.
(6) Continue to fire three-round shot groups and make corrections until you have a tight shot group in the circle on the silhouette. .
25-meter zero target.
(7) If your shot group is within the circle, your rifle is now "calibrated."
(8) To place your 300-meter zero on the rifle, you must rotate the elevation knob one click counterclockwise. The 8/3 (300-meter) mark on the elevation knob should now be aligned with the index mark on the left side of the sight. NOTES: 1. There are clicks between the range numbers as you turn the elevation knob. Use these clicks if you need more elevation past a certain range number to hit a target.
2. The unmarked aperture is automatically zeroed to 200 meters. Use the 0-2 aperture when shooting at night or at close ranges; for example, in an urban environment or in dense jungle. 5. Sight setting. your rifle sights should be kept set to a combat zero of 300 meters. If you are told to engage a target at a longer range; for example, 500 meters: a. Rotate the elevation knob so that the desired range mark is aligned with the index mark on the left side of the sight.
b. Engage the target.
c. When the engagement is over, return the sight to the 300-meter setting.
NOTE: When the rifle has been zeroed to 300 meters, all other ranges on the elevation knob are also zeroed. |
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Reply #9 standupper's post
bro.... kami bukan jumpers as u said.... bukan setakat kat thread nih jer kami ada.... dlm thread lain pun ada. kami pun ingin berkongsi pengetahuan selain dari menambah ilmu. anyway .... takmo la nak panjangkan isu so called 'jumpers' nih sumer.
hamba budak baru...first at all Salam Perkenalan buat sumer. berbalik isu M-16 nih, back in '97 masa kat UITM dulu saya joined PALAPES as part of curiculum. dah lama sgt tak sentuh so lupa cara2 menjaga dia. tapi masa tuh memang payah nak jaga ( pendapat aku) yg selalu aku kena masa latihan dulu ialah double jam - coz of dirty bolt. yang aku ingat la istilah ni. ada sesapa yg bole betulkan kalu aku salah??? |
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Reply #13 sumitriptan's post
Wei rileks ler bro.. jangan cepat terasa.. aku bukan reply kat yg kao post tu pun.. baca ler yg tersirat!!! prinsip kat MPSA.. hati mau kering-jiwa jangan kacau! contohi ler spidey kat atas tu.. sentiasa low profile, tapi tak pernah miss update bahan menarik.. cukup bulan ngombat ke seberang tambak tambah stok! nak jadi macam freddy pun boley gak. |
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Malfunctions, Probable Causes, Corrective Actions
Posted Tuesday, October 11, 2005
Malfunctions are caused by procedural or mechanical failures of the rifle, magazine, or ammunition. Pre-firing checks and serviceability inspections identify potential problems before they become malfunctions. This paragraph describes the primary categories of malfunctions.
- Failure to Feed, Chamber, or Lock. A malfunction can occur when loading the rifle or during the cycle of operation. Once the magazine has been loaded into the rifle, the forward movement of the bolt carrier group could lack enough force (generated by the expansion of the action spring) to feed, chamber, or lock the bolt
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Failure to Feed, Chamber or lock
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- Probable Causes. The cause could be the result of one or more of the following:
- Excess accumulation of dirt or fouling in and around the bolt and bolt carrier.
- Defective magazine (dented, bulged, or a weak magazine spring).
- Improperly loaded magazine.
- Defective round (projectile forced back into the cartridge case, which could result in a stubbed round or the base of the previous cartridge could be separated, leaving the remainder in the chamber).
- Damaged or broken action spring.
- Exterior accumulation of dirt in the lower receiver extension.
- Fouled gas tube resulting in short recoil.
- A magazine resting on the ground or pushed forward could cause an improper lock.
- Corrective Action. Applying immediate action usually corrects the malfunction. To avoid the risk of further jamming, the firer should watch for ejection of a cartridge and ensure that the upper receiver is free of any loose rounds. If immediate action fails to clear the malfunction, remedial action must be taken. The carrier should not be forced. If resistance is encountered, which can occur with an unserviceable round, the bolt should be locked to the rear, the magazine removed, and the malfunction cleared. For example, a bolt override is when a cartridge has wedged itself between the bolt and charging handle. The best way to correct this problem is by
- Ensuring the charging handle is pushed forward and locked in place.
- Securing the rifle and pulling the bolt to the rear until the bolt seats completely into the buffer well.
- Turning the rifle upright and allowing the overridden cartridge to fall out.
- Failure to Fire Cartridge. This is a failure of a cartridge to fire despite the fact that a round has been chambered, the trigger pulled, and the sear released the hammer. This occurs when the firing pin fails to strike the primer with enough force or when the ammunition is defective.
- Probable Causes. Excessive carbon buildup on the firing pin (Figure 3-2, A) is often the cause, because the full forward travel of the firing pin is restricted. A defective or worn firing pin can give the same results. Inspection of the ammunition could reveal a shallow indentation or no mark on the primer, indicating a firing pin malfunction (Figure 3-2, B). Cartridges that show a normal indentation on the primer, but did not fire indicate faulty ammunition.
Failure to fire
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- Corrective Action. If the malfunction continues, the firing pin, bolt, carrier, and locking lug recesses of the barrel extension should be inspected, and any accumulation of excessive carbon or fouling should be removed. The firing pin should also be inspected for damage. Cartridges that show a normal indentation on the primer, but failed to fire could indicate a bad ammunition lot. Those that show a complete penetration of the primer by the firing pin could also indicate failure of the cartridge to fully seat in the chamber.
NOTE: If the round is suspected to be faulty, it is reported and returned to the agency responsible for issuing ammunition.
WARNING If an audible 揚OP
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- Failure to Eject. Ejection of a cartridge is an element in the cycle of functioning of the rifle, regardless of the mode of fire. A malfunction occurs when the cartridge is not ejected through the ejection port and either remains partly in the chamber or becomes jammed in the upper receiver as the bolt closes. When the firer initially clears the rifle, the cartridge could strike an inside surface of the receiver and bounce back into the path of the bolt.
- Probable Cause. The cartridge must extract before it can eject. Failures to eject can also be caused by a buildup of carbon or fouling on the ejector spring or extractor, or from short recoil. Short recoil is usually due to a buildup of fouling in the carrier mechanism or gas tube, which could result in many failures to include a failure to eject. Resistance caused by a carbon-coated or corroded chamber can impede the extraction, and then the ejection of a cartridge.
- Corrective Action. While retraction of the charging handle usually frees the cartridge and permits removal, the charging handle must not be released until the position of the next live round is determined. If another live round has been sufficiently stripped from the magazine or remains in the chamber, then the magazine and all live rounds could also require removal before the charging handle can be released. If several malfunctions occur and are not corrected by cleaning and lubricating, the ejector spring, extractor spring, and extractor should be replaced.
- Other Malfunctions. The following paragraphs describe some other malfunctions that can occur.
- The bolt fails to remain in a rearward position after the last round in the magazine is fired. Check for a bad magazine or short recoil.
- The bolt fails to lock in the rearward position when the bolt catch has been engaged. Check bolt catch; turn in to unit armorer.
- The weapon fires two or more rounds when the trigger is pulled and the selection lever is in the SEMI position. This indicates a worn sear, cam, or disconnector. Turn in to armorer to repair and replace trigger group parts as required.
- The trigger fails to pull or return after release with the selector set in a firing position. This indicates that the trigger pin has backed out of the receiver or the hammer spring is broken. Turn in to armorer to replace or repair.
- The magazine fails to lock into the magazine well. Check the magazine and magazine catch for damage. Turn in to armorer to adjust the catch; replace as required.
- Any part of the bolt carrier group fails to function. Check for incorrect assembly of components. Correctly clean and assemble the bolt carrier group, or replace damaged parts.
- The ammunition fails to feed from the magazine. Check for damaged magazine. A damaged magazine could cause repeated feeding failures and should be turned in to the armorer or exchanged.
NOTE: Additional technical information on troubleshooting malfunctions and replacing components is contained in the organizational and direct support maintenance publications and manuals
Other Possible Malfunctions
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Clearing Procedures for the M16 Series Weapon
The first step in maintenance is to clear the weapon. This applies in all situations, not just after firing.
Posted Friday, June 2, 2006
This paragraph explains the techniques and procedures for clearing the M16-/M4-series weapon. Additional mechanical training is available in TM 9-1005-319-10 to include disassembly, maintenance, assembly, loading, and sight manipulation.
WARNING: To be considered SAFE before disassembly, cleaning, inspecting, transporting, or storing, the weapon must be cleared.
NOTE: Get a buddy to witness and verify all steps of clearing procedures.
- Point the muzzle in a designated SAFE DIRECTION. Attempt to place selector lever on SAFE. If weapon is not cocked, lever cannot be placed on SAFE.
- Remove the magazine by depressing the magazine catch button and pulling the magazine down.
- To lock bolt open, pull charging handle rearward. Press bottom of bolt catch and allow bolt to move forward until it engages bolt catch. Return charging handle to full forward position. If you have not done so before, place the selector lever on SAFE.
- Visually (not physically) inspect the receiver and chamber to ensure these areas contain no ammo.
- With the selector lever pointing toward SAFE, allow the bolt to go forward by pressing the upper portion of the bolt catch.
- Place the selector lever on SEMI and squeeze the trigger.
- Pull the charging handle fully rearward and release it, allowing the bolt to return to the full forward position.
- Place the selector lever on SAFE.
- Close the ejection port cover.
NOTE: If the rifle will not be fired, immediately close the ejection port cover.
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aku rase selalunye yang jd jam ni bile cuci ala kadar je la..minyak banyak sgt..cuci x betul..malas bukak part kecik..kalau korg pandai maintain senjata aku rase ok je..selama aku pakai p training x pernah mengecewakan..stopages jauh benor jadi..jd stopages bile kelam kabut tu biase la..cekah x betul.. |
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Originally posted by sumitriptan at 4-5-2008 07:57 PM
bro.... kami bukan jumpers as u said.... bukan setakat kat thread nih jer kami ada.... dlm thread lain pun ada. kami pun ingin berkongsi pengetahuan selain dari menambah ilmu. anyway .... takmo l ...
Betullah tu nak panggil jumpers pun tak kisahlah...no heart feeelings.. selama ni bnyk kat current issue dan love problems
sesekali masuk kat military,banyak selidik dari hantar post..cari pengalaman dulu..maklumlah kat thread ni bnyk hustler
and otai, kita ni CIVILIAN, lagi pun bnyk guna bahasa penjajah,kita tak berapa faham, kalau nak faham juga
kena amik masa yang lama ngan tngok kamus... dah betul2 faham baru berani hntr post...mcm kat thread ni aku amik
masa yg lama utk faham kan kronologi M16.....ok dude jgn dimarahi diriku ini...hehehe.:bg::bg:.peace......just passing by.....:victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory:
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