Patut atau tidak Ouessant dijadikan Muzium

thenone · Post time 13-11-2009 11:11 AM

Post Last Edit by thenone at 13-11-2009 16:14

Harap maaf mod kalo topik ni dah ada tolong merge jek laa.. pasal kome cari cam takde jek..

Mintak pandangan pakar2 kat sini patut atau tidak kapal selam quessant S623 dijadikan muzium.

Atau adakah lebih baik sekiranya kerajaan membelanjakan wang untuk menaik taraf kapal tersebut supaya digunakan sebagai kapal latihan untuk jangka masa 5-10 tahun lagi.

curryjames71 · Post time 13-11-2009 11:22 AM

Pertama sekali, GOM kena tengok dan buat cost analysis study ler. Adalah :
1. Kos untuk upgrade berbaloi untuk dijadikan kapal latihan?
2. Kos untuk bawa pulang berbaloi untuk dijadikan muzium?

Saya lebih suka kalau dianya dijadikan kapal latihan. 2 bijik sub mana cukup.

observateur · Post time 13-11-2009 11:27 AM

1# thenone

Elok dijadikan kapal latihan (yg boleh di active-servicekan kalo ada keperluan). Cuma tatau la kalo berbaloi dari segi kos...

thenone · Post time 13-11-2009 11:49 AM

3# observateur 2#curryjames71

sebenarnya aku pun lagi setuju kalo kapal ni dijadikan latihan daripada dijadikan muzium, dan seingat aku laa masa kita dapat kapal selam ni dulu, kerajaan dah membelanjakan RM67 juga untuk tujuan baik pulih bagi tujuan latihan dan kapal ni kita dah gunakan lebih 5 thn untuk latihan, so why not kalo kita keluarkan RM100 untuk panjangkan jangka hayat dia sampai 10thn.

ye lah kan daripada habis duit bawak balik tapi jadikan muzium apa pekdah navy dapat? mmg betul 2 biji scorpene tu mana cukup, ATM target 2020 kita nak ada lebih kurang 6 biji kapal selam, so jangkamasa untuk latihan krew2 kapal tu pon bukan nya sekejap, bagi aku elok sangat quessant ni jadi kapal lathan supaya 2 biji scorpene tu kte bleh optimakan penggunakan die untuk tujuan operasi..

ke guane citer?

jofizo · Post time 13-11-2009 12:09 PM

dpt kat jiran sblh, dah boh aip dah....... kalau boleh....

asher · Post time 13-11-2009 12:16 PM

wa pon setuju kalo gomen upgrade quessant ni utk dijadikan kapal latihan..kalo bleh bila emergency bleh diarmedkan trus bleh wat utk pertahanan..

thenone · Post time 13-11-2009 12:33 PM

5# jofizo

quessant ni kalo tak boh aip pon takpe.. pasal untuk tujuan latihan, dan standby sekiranya berlaku perperangan. lagi pon kapal ni kalo tak silap kome leh gak lancarkan sm 39 exocet, so kome rasa tak rugi kalo kte terus gunakan quessant ni..

jofizo · Post time 13-11-2009 12:43 PM

apa lagi kasi havoc dlm parlimen la.......... hehehehe

bila ada hu ha hu ha baru ada review balik......

thenone · Post time 13-11-2009 12:53 PM

nak soh sape paling layak kasi havoc kat parlimen? Saifudin Nasution ke? wakakakakakakaka

thenone · Post time 13-11-2009 12:54 PM

Surfing the net to get further news on SSK Ouessant's fate, I am a little bit surprised to read a more recent French article as below that after translation seems to indicate that the SSK Ouessant is being prepared to be transported back to Malaysia to be displayed as a Museum ship and not retired as previously thought. Whether this is something that 'is lost in translation' or otherwise, let us wait if there will be any official announcement from the local authorities, probably during the welcoming ceremony of the KD Tunku Abdul Rahman in September.

The submarine Ouessant has fulfilled its mission - Brest

Saturday 11 July 2009
The last mission of the submarine Ouessant, and the departure of the first Malaysian Scorpene mark the end of the project "Ouessant Malaysia.

An end ... and a beginning

While a beautiful ceremony Thursday marked the return to the naval base in the last mission of the submarine Ouessant, the Tunku Abdul Rahman first submarine Scorpene type built by DCNS Cherbourg, Toulon left for Malaysia. The event marks six years of a human and technological rich and exciting for DCNS and Navfco. The project includes construction of two Scorpene submarines and maintenance of submarine Ouessant, the training of Malaysian crews.

Navfco owner of Ouessant

The training of Malaysian submariners is provided by the private company Navfco with staff seconded from the Navy. The Navfco has filed two crew submarine Scorpene, reserve personnel, instructors, staff of Staff

9 000 hours of diving

"More than 9 000 dive hours were devoted to training. We welcomed 170 students who have each made an average of 1 300 hours of diving. This happened in 3 phases: classroom training, simulator and the sea, "says Admiral against Christian Le Roux. "This 42 th release went very well, after four years, we are really in a school, it happens later between fellow submariners," said Captain Commander Benoit Lemire, commander of Ouessant.

A museum

In the coming days, we will proceed with the disarmament and ensure the safe Ouessant. However, its future seems sealed, an arrangement is underway between the two countries. Loaded on a ship dedicated the Ouessant join Malaysia to become a museum.

Six years and some key dates

30 October 2003: entry into force. 20 October 2005: the debut of Ouessant. 21 November 2005: start of training for Wednesday 9 July: End of the period of training at sea

Some figures

Major refit: 200 people, 400 0000 hours, 20 000 material visits, 150 000 hours of maintenance in post-major refit.

"This contract is a fundamental DCNS and its partners. This is the first time we offer a wide globalization of supply, "says Gérard Solve director DCNS Brest.

source : http://securemalaysia.blogspot.c ... um-in-malaysia.html

robotech · Post time 13-11-2009 12:57 PM

Kalau naiktaraf Quessant di Perancis memakan kos yg tinggi, apa kata refurbished kat Pakistan yg ada kepakaran menaiktaraf kelas Agosta (PNS Hashmat & PNS Hurmat) & kelebihan mrk dlm membina Agosta 90B.

Mmg membazir kalau di-'muzium'-kan. Taklah membazir kalau dinaiktaraf & mampu menjadi kapal latihan (yg blh dikerah tika kecemasan) & sekaligus meringankan beban kpd armada Scorpene kita.

Lg pun, secara perang saraf, ada 3 kapal selam yg beroperasi sounds better than 2.

lkick2113 · Post time 13-11-2009 12:58 PM

wa pon setuju kalo gomen upgrade quessant ni utk dijadikan kapal latihan..kalo bleh bila emergency bleh diarmedkan trus bleh wat utk pertahanan..
asher Post at 13-11-2009 12:16

yup...aku pon berpendapat mcm ko.....

thenone · Post time 13-11-2009 01:11 PM

lagi pon agosta ni bleh menempatkan 54 orang personal, walaupon sempit tapi ok laa memandangkan scorpene memerlukan 36 krew untuk dioperasikan, so selebihnya untuk jurulatih, tu pasal kome rasa ianya sgt sesuai dijadikan kapal latihan.

kome stuju ngn robotech, memandangkan pakistan mmg ada byk kepakaran dengan agosta class ni, so kita pon leh hantar pakar2 kita untuk study kat sana, dan mungkin satu hari kte bleh jv ngn pakistan untuk buat kapal selam sendiri plak.. hehe.. angan2...

tempur · Post time 13-11-2009 03:02 PM

Aku sokong kalau KS ni dijadikan kapal latihan...ala cam KD Tuah la...dah lama pencen tapi masih bertugas...

robotech · Post time 13-11-2009 03:17 PM

lagi pon agosta ni bleh menempatkan 54 orang personal, walaupon sempit tapi ok laa memandangkan scorpene memerlukan 36 krew untuk dioperasikan, so selebihnya untuk jurulatih, tu pasal kome rasa ianya sgt sesuai dijadikan kapal latihan

Kalau setakat refurbishment, kita leh kawtim ngan Pakistan. Yg plg penting, bajet mau approve & political will. Quessant belayar drp Perancis & singgah kat Pakistan, wat le refurbishment (re-armament pun bley jugak ... contingency plan katakan) brg 5-6 bln. Pastu terus balik Mesia.

kome stuju ngn robotech, memandangkan pakistan mmg ada byk kepakaran dengan agosta class ni, so kita pon leh hantar pakar2 kita untuk study kat sana

Kalau aku x silap, ada member Navy bgtau, dulu in 1980s TLDM penah hantar individu2 tertentu sertai latihan kapal selam di Pakistan (obviously musti Agosta).

Lgpun tradisi PN ngan TLDM tak byk beza. Aset kapal selam drp France, budaya kerja drp British .... kawtim mahhh

curryjames71 · Post time 13-11-2009 03:36 PM

Post Last Edit by curryjames71 at 13-11-2009 15:38

Kalau setakat refurbishment, kita leh kawtim ngan Pakistan. Yg plg penting, bajet mau approve & political will. Quessant belayar drp Perancis & singgah kat Pakistan, wat le refurbishment (re-armam ...
robotech Post at 13-11-2009 15:17

Pembetulan tu. Bukan Quessant tapi Ouessant. Banyak beza oooo.

robotech · Post time 13-11-2009 03:42 PM

Pembetulan tu. Bukan Quessant tapi Ouessant. Banyak beza oooo.

Thanks Bro!

Bukan apa, dah pembuka thread letak Quessant, aku pun bedal le ... tambah pulok ada media rasmi eja Quessant, not Ouessant ... payoh benor nak menyebut, napa tak letak nama Melayu, cam KD Altantu ... oopppss ... KD Tun Hussein Onn ke?