KHAZANAH [himpunan post Marquez]

OnEdge

lightweight?

banyak fluff I agree....

oh marquez...dalam satu nota tepi....Oprah announce One hundred Years of Solitude of the best book in this millenium...hahahahahaha...dia baru baca ke apa? or I'm watching an old edition of her show?

marquez

Strangely Hundred Years is also a favourite of Bill (clinton)....

>>>or I'm watching an old edition of her show?

Lu tengok Oprah? Ho ho ho. Sudah domesticated lah tu...

OnEdge

very domesticated laaa...what to do...sometimes have to give-up the control of the remote as well....(there's nothing to watch but grunt movies anyway)

wonder if Oprah is giving those books for free...nak join jugak lah kalau book club dier bagi buku free...

Borges si tua kutuk dan busuk tu? Menang Nobel lagi galak la jari dia masuk kain...

marquez

This from someone who bought a book of Boges' lecture (100 pages) for RM100 ++ wakakakakakaka

M-

Siapa nak aku punya copy of "This Craft of Verse", a series of lectures on how to read poetry by Jorge Luis Borges? Hardcover. Mint condition, sebab aku baca sekali je lepas tu simpan. Worth RM112.00.

PM me your office address and I will send it to you, free of charge.

One of the best books I have read about understanding poetry. Ni ada satu review pasal buku ni:

Jorge Luis Borges gave six lectures at Harvard in 1967-8, in the estimable Charles Eliot Norton Lectures series. These were recorded -- and then stored away, apparently too well. The tape-recordings were only recently found, and the lectures finally transcribed, a small additional nugget of Borges finally made available.

It is a charming collection. Borges addresses a variety of subjects -- "The Riddle of Poetry", "The Metaphor", "The Telling of the Tale", translation, and his own ideas about the act of writing -- using familiar Borgesian examples. He speaks of favourite writers and poets -- Stevenson, Whitman, Chesterton, Saint John of the Cross, among others. He speaks of metaphor and translation, using examples from Old English and Persian as well as the more familiar Spanish, French, and German. The Arabian Nights are here, as is Don Quixote and Poe.

Borges addressed many of these subjects (and books and authors) at greater length in his essays (and occasionally in his stories and poems), but there is also something to be said for this genial presentation. Borges covers a great deal of ground in his meandering survey, but they are well-composed and vivid lectures.

Borges speaks here of personal experience. He is willing to open up and he also admits to doubt. He says he offers neither solutions nor new problems, but rather "only time-honored perplexities". He presents these well, however, and his points of view and examples are always interesting.

Borges shows again that he is an able interpreter of poetry and literature -- suggesting readings of passages from Joyce's Finnegans Wake, for example -- while consistently emphasizing feeling over actual meaning (or, therefore, clarity). Borges is an intellectual, aware of much of what lies behind many literary works, but he never over-intellectualizes poems or pieces of prose. Analysis is useful but not the be all and end all, and he refuses to deconstruct a work to death -- though he often has both interesting and insightful things to say that help in the understanding of pieces of literature. As almost everywhere in his own work his great love of literature shines through.

Much of the material in This Craft of Verse centers on poetry and verse, though really it extends to include all writing. From what makes poetry poetry to the use of metaphor and the problems of translation to his own approach to writing, Borges offers both genial and ingenious commentary. His style is straightforward and generous, with the arguments not as formal or precisely expressed as in his writing: these are lectures, and they were surely crowd-pleasers.

Whether quoting "perhaps too well-known lines by Robert Frost" or considering the "widely held superstition (that) all translations betray their matchless origins" his presentation is agreeable without ever being condescending. There is also a great deal of substance here; Borges' thoughts on literature are almost always interesting, and this digest of so many of them of particular interest. The immediacy of the text (which came still relatively early in Borges' public career, before he became practically a professional lecturer) is also appealing -- and it contrasts well to many of the later interviews with their often pat or predictable responses.

The volume is also nicely edited, with a good set of explanatory notes and a fine afterword by Calin-Andrei Mihailescu. However, information about a bit more of the historical context would have been of interest, including the public reception of these lectures (though some of this can be found in Borges-biographies and remembrances of the master).

Certainly recommended, and a must for any Borges-fan.

PM me for a list of other books I'm giving away. Semua free of charge.

OnEdge

hey uncle Racer....

can I have your VCD copy of Yusry's wedding then?

mbhcsf

Originally posted by racerX at 2004-2-4 16:20:
PM me for a list of other books I'm giving away. Semua free of charge.

no sherlocks to give Uncle Race?blessyou..

mbhcsf

Originally posted by seribulan at 2004-1-31 14:39:
:eek:real person ke Holmes nih:stp:

we believe that SH was based on real character ..cuba baca Rasputin revenge or son of holmes beli kat amazon.co.uk

sometimes i wonder you know , i really admire his train of thoughts / logisc and so on..but at the end ..you would beasking a very important question kan? tak ker dia ever thought of tauhid....

and i believe the name  chemical substance that he discovered ( could  detect the presence of blood ) is ...heksasionoferat III may be?? i dunno..

and did you know taht watson had been married at least twice in the canon?
one is mary morstan and the other .....

but at one point holmes did  feel crosseed about this ..he always thought that watson had " abandoned" him for a wife....hhehhhehe..GAy huh? ..( refer to THE ADVENTIRE OF LION'S MANE.;)

OnEdge

I always thought that Sherlock Holmes was based on the author's lecturer..wasn't he?

saw a documentary on it on Discovery a few months back I think....

mbhcsf

Originally posted by OnEdge at 2004-2-5 09:21:
I always thought that Sherlock Holmes was based on the author's lecturer..wasn't he?

saw a documentary on it on Discovery a few months back I think....

oh ya if you based it on Sir Joseph Bell..a surgeon - lecturer to Arthur Conan Doylewhen he was studying medicine at Edinburgh. yep correct ;) good you know someting about holmes ..good..

ulatbulu

ada diff us & uk version? me reading Love in the time of cholera....and enjoying it too!

marquez

The diff is the quality of the books - US Edition rules...

seribulan

yang biasa dengar realism painting
rasanyer...

seribulan

so ada la real person, the image...but not real Sherlock Holmes..

OnEdge

Realisme bagi edge bergantung pada feasible atau tidak satu karya tu aja la....

samada logik, kemungkinan besar (tapi mungkin itu dah menunjukkan unreal suatu perkara tuh kan?) dan berapa banyak detail dan complete satu karya tuh...

walaupun ramai yang akan mengatakan karya seperti Lord Of The Rings, 1984, Odyssey, Stranger In A Strange Land adalah fiksyen sahaja, tetapi bagi edge tahap realisme diorang boleh tahan juga tinggi juga disebabkan penulisnya telah memikirkan setiap aspek dan juga memberi jawapan kepada setiap persoalan si pembaca.

Bagi karya yang settingnya berlaku 'in present' seperti Jurassic Park, Neverwhere, Haroun and The Sea of Stories, Satanic Verses dan sebagainya, edge tengok kepada correlation cerita tersebut kepada dunia nyata...lagi banyak reference kepada dunia nyata, tahap relisme diorang makin meningkat (senang nak relate)

Bagi teater, kurang sikit kot, sebab teater lebih pada satu aspek sahaja (disebabkan space constraint kot, ataupun edge dah basi tengok teater melayui, yang balik balik cerita benda sama)

mbhcsf

i  stil think am i truly belive that holmes wujud ler..may be his name was sherringford
ada yg cakap anaknya nam John HAmish Adler Holmes....ring a bell somewhere..hhehheeee

marquez

Mandala of Sherlock Holmes - kisah Holmes di India oleh Jamyang Norbu... heard of it?