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Hello friends... 10 years been passed and here I am again
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zamkumis posted on 11-6-2014 01:25 AM 
Kalau semua umat Islam menjaga apa yang dilarang ini maka amanlah dunia.
Dosa besar jumlahnya Ber ...
This sounds like some part of 613 Rabbinical Jewish Mitzvots 
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vikramavardhana posted on 11-6-2014 06:28 PM
It is not literal! I thought that you Muslims must interpret everything or getting the interpret ... vikramavardhana
When you create things, you impart your energy to create the things. It includes your "mental" emanating energy which brings about the form 
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vikramavardhana posted on 11-6-2014 07:10 PM
This is language plays. Tell me first are you into debate yo prove things or simply to discuss? If ...
Sorry, you are incorrect. I'm interested on the evidence. In Al-Quran we are told to ask for the prove in determining the truth. In this case I'm interested for the prove to your claims.
It's irrational for me to go out and tell other people 'God is in everyone because vikramavardhana said so'. People then will ask, who is 'vikramavardhana'? On what basis, he thinks he is it right?
Again, please provide the evidence if you speak the truth.
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zamkumis posted on 11-6-2014 06:03 PM
Minda terbuka... , ya kita bukan mahu berperang, tetapi soal jawab itu ada banyak pengetahu ...
Oneness sini bbermaksud we are a wave of energy vibrating. In quantum mechanics. There are no essense in any form. Everything relates to each other. This is what meant by Buddha nature. Tiara unsur agama Buddha sini.
We are related to each other. The sun brings energy to tree tree give food to animals n oxygen to us etc.
again. If god created soul in Adam and right now right now. With new born. Does god constantly create new soul?
what vie meant here is other realms. Or more commonly known as celestial being. Being without form. How could being survive without form? Like I mentioned, when u meditate, upon reaching Jannah, which is attainable by ANYONE. You experience only being without physical body.
Wat Buddha taught is to belong paradise go belong heaven go beyond Jannah in Islam. Is to nibbana. No, it's not higher than your Jannah. But the state of non becoming.
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mashimaru83 posted on 11-6-2014 07:19 PM
Sorry, you are incorrect. I'm interested on the evidence. In Al-Quran we are told to ask for the p ...
Proof to me that you are using a PC to type this. Where is the PC? The keyboard? The ,Ouse? The CPU? The processor? The chip in processor? The ram? Which is the PC?
wat about the current running in the board when you type? Is this PC? What about the atom that cause current to flow? The quarks in PC? Or PC is quarks.
What about neutrino?
Here the word god does not imply Allah or than or created or Jesus or who.
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this is he try to point when Quran say than berapa di pangkal leher
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vikramavardhana posted on 11-6-2014 06:46 PM
The quantum physics which wei_loon5063 mention refers to the energy within the universe.
Bro bodhitakso did good explanation there
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What is an ion? An ion is a charged atom or molecule. It is charged due to the imbalance number of electrons and the number of protons in the atom or molecule. An atom can become a positive charge or a negative charge depending on whether the number of electrons in an atom is greater or lesser than the number of protons in the atom. Ion concentrations can vary over short distances i.e. one may find that one end of a room has an excess of positive ions and the other end, negative. In nature, ions are formed in a variety of ways - about half are created by radioactive gases and the other half are produced from radioactive substances in the soil, cosmic rays, ultraviolet rays, air flow friction, falling water and plants.
Basically, positive ions have a negative effect on humans and animals. Some of the side effects caused by high positive ion counts are violent behaviour, road rage, depression, dizziness, chills, tremors, sleeplessness, fatigue, irritability, nausea, lethargy, respiratory symptoms, headaches, migraines, increase in heart attacks, high blood pressure, increase in optical disturbances, anxiety, body aches/pains, etc. Today, the modern homes and offices seal out negative ions. Computer terminals, fluorescent lighting, forced air ventilation systems, and modern building materials generate an over abundance of positive ions. Electrical gadgets such as microwave oven, laptop, desktop computer, television, mobile phone or the alarm clock could be to blame for the lacking of negative ions in the atmosphere. Other positive ionisation could derive from car exhausts, factory fumes, tire dust, cigarette smoke, cooking and heating fumes, dust, etc.
On the other hand, negative ions are beneficial to humans and animals. It has been proven scientifically that a high count of negative ions will decrease fatigue, reduce migraines/headaches, strengthen the function of autonomic nerves, strengthen the body immune system, improves metabolism, improves asthma and other respiratory conditions, lowers blood pressures, etc. Refreshing places, usually located[ in the mountains and near waterfalls and seashores have high negative ion concentrations. In humans, most researchers think that negative ions act on the capacity to absorb and utilise oxygen, accelerating the blood’s delivery of oxygen to the cells and tissues. Generally, negative ions have much higher rates of mobility as compared with the positive ions due to increase in the number of electrons that are constantly vibrating in standing waves on the surface of the ions.
Once again, the charged molecules or ions play a vital role in the physical and the spiritual development of humans. Our frame of mind and body conditions depend on the composition of the air that we breathe. Air is electrically charged, which means it contains in definite proportions, positively charged molecules (positive ions) and negatively charged molecules (negative ions). There is a need for their balance to conjure up favourable vibes for one’s mental and physical progression. In fact, the yin-yang concept is mostly based upon the orientation of positive ions and negative ions in the surroundings. When there is a balance in the definite proportion of ions, whereby the number of positive ions (yin) is almost equal to the number of negative ions (yang), there will be a harmonious ‘chi’ or energy in the surroundings and vice versa.
On another front, the definite proportion of ions in the atmosphere has an intimate relevance to the arising of spirit or ghost energies in the human realms. Ordinary spirits or ghosts that are abided with ignorance would be drawn to the cluster of positive ions. This is because positive ions are correlated with the energies of dukkha i.e. ignorance would give rise to unfavourable thoughts, ill-wills, angers, un-satisfactoriness, attachments, restlessness, jealousy, pessimism, etc. Common areas such as windowless and closed rooms, abandoned houses, hospitals, factories, old buildings – in derelict and overgrown states, would usually sustain a higher concentration of positive ions in the surroundings – an ideal passageway for the manifestation of wandering ghosts or spirits in the human realms. And from direct experience, a ghost or a spirit arising in close proximity could evoke with severe headaches, nausea and lethargy on our physical body unexpectedly – an apparent sign of soaring density of positive ions in the surrounding area. In other words, a human who is afflicted with a mental or a physical illness would tend to attract or magnetise with the spirits or the ghosts more often than the healthy ones due to higher presence of positive ions in the body and the surroundings.
As a conclusion, ions are necessary pre-requisites for becoming process to exist; without it, the becoming process would be impossible in the dependent nature. For humans, the presence of high negative ions would bring scores of advantages to the spiritual and the physical development. In fact, the surroundings with high negative ion concentrations would attract or magnetise with favourable energies from devas, angels and other deities that could help individuals in many ways along the path to spiritual liberation. Therefore, it is crucial for one to find balance with the ion concentrations at all times because ions are ‘kingmakers’ in the mental and the physical health condition of individuals.
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mashimaru83 posted on 11-6-2014 07:05 PM
My mental is emanating the energy to produce the things but technically and logically speaking I a ...
Where do you get your energy from?
Food? Where does your food get energy from?
conservation if energy.
Well friend, if you open ur mind n study dhamma, like I study Quran with open ,minded, you will see that dhamma has nothing to do with faith or religion. But science n reality. Instead of belief, there's analyze n experiment n experience.
Truth no need to believ but tested
grand unified theory. Four main force in uuniverses
Electromagnetism, gravity, strong n weak nuclear force.
All tht we are is nothing more than interaction of this four forces. Which constantly interacting with each other. There are no permanent essense. E.g when temp rises, water become steam when it freezes it become ice. When interact with metal, it become rust, etc.... How can you say there is a per,ament self? Last edited by wei_loon5063 on 11-6-2014 08:50 PM
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Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. |
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deleted... created a new thread instead as I think it is very interesting to discuss. Last edited by kid on 12-6-2014 12:06 AM
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wei_loon5063 posted on 11-6-2014 12:46 PM
Where do you get your energy from?
Food? Where does your food get energy from? How can you say there is a per,ament self?
# 228 wei_loon
In this matter, we have the concept known as, Mahar or Eternal Luminous Essence 
We only find description about God from sages and scriptures but we do not speculate, Him.
To know Him, we should first get to know our selves.
So, we mentioned about the Tattvas or the Dhatus.
Spiritual Path is by tiers and stages.
We cannot go right to the Top without moving through stages of spiritual evolution from the Beginning
Our Path recognizes the diversity of people's temperament and considering the conditional states of beings i.e human beside driving them toward the knowledge about God or the Highest Essence who creates the Brahmas (creators), Devas (angelic beings from both fire and light elements spiritually or those framed within physical human form), and so on...
Those which I mentioned earlier is simplified within this term, Sapt Vyaharitis encapsulating the Past, Present and Future which enlights the Universe through phenomenon of the Universe (Gayatri Mantr, Rigveda 3.62.10)
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vikramavardhana posted on 11-6-2014 09:59 PM
From which scripture do you want? If from the Quran, then what is the necessity for me to tell you ...
No, I didn't equate myself to God and I don't ask you to show off. We have been discussing your claims that "God is in everyone". You put it as being logical. So, I'm under impression that God is physically in everyone. And you brought forward the energy emanation in the process of the creation. What energy are you talking about here? Are you equating this energy to God?
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wei_loon5063 posted on 11-6-2014 08:28 PM
Proof to me that you are using a PC to type this. Where is the PC? The keyboard? The ,Ouse? The CP ...
I don't see the rational of your reasoning here. Whether I can prove you about the PC or not, it doesn't prove that you are correct on the issue being discussed (God is in everyone).
Here the word god does not imply Allah or than or created or Jesus or who.
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wei_loon5063 posted on 11-6-2014 08:46 PM
Where do you get your energy from?
Food? Where does your food get energy from?
You talking about the creation here. Obviously, no creation has permanent essense i.e. creation can be destroyed, so it's not permanent. All the forces you mentioned are also created as part of the universe creation process.
As far as I know, we are talking about God here, not creation. So, what science and reality say about God?
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wei_loon5063 posted on 11-6-2014 08:08 PM
Oneness sini bbermaksud we are a wave of energy vibrating. In quantum mechanics. There are no esse ...
Diantara kebenaran islam ialah Al-Quran, didalamnya menceritakan segala perkara yang lebih kacil dan perkara yang lebih tinggi dari jangkauan pengetahuan manusia. Saya melihat anda banyak membicarakan tentang tenaga seprti vibration, machanic dan sebagainya. Perkara ini adalah perkara biasa didalam alam semesta. Maklumat yang anda ada mendatangkan 1000 tandatanya yang anda sendiri tidak ada jawapan yang pasti.
Didalam quran menceritakan bagaimana hujan diturunkan secara saitifik, juga memberitahu bahawa bulan mengelilingi bumi, dan bumi mengelilingi matahari. Juga 11 planet mengelilingi matahari. Quran memberitahu ada 11 planet sahaja, tetapi saintis modern mengatakan 12 planet, terkini Nasa mengesahkan bahawa pluto bukanlah planet, ia adalah bintang. So, jumlah planet ialah 11 sama seperti yang diberitahu dalam Al-Quran.
Last edited by zamkumis on 12-6-2014 08:47 AM
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vikramavardhana posted on 11-6-2014 11:42 PM
# 228 wei_loon
In this matter, we have the concept known as, Mahar or Eternal Luminous Essenc ...
dont talk about muslims. even many buddhist failed to SEE this non permanent self. the form that is void, the dependent phenomenon.
that is why I say awakened... from what to what. from ignorant to ultimate nature
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mashimaru83 posted on 12-6-2014 08:24 AM
You talking about the creation here. Obviously, no creation has permanent essense i.e. creation ca ...
beside the sweet promise of the holy book, what can you proof about god?
only with a statement " he is beyond human logic" .
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zamkumis posted on 12-6-2014 08:46 AM
Diantara kebenaran islam ialah Al-Quran, didalamnya menceritakan segala perkara yang lebih kacil d ...
yala, vibration tu la yg saya maksudkan the essense yg vijra maksudkan.
jadi? sistem solar tu astonomer pun dapat tahu, tak ada yg hebat pun.
seperti yg vijra cakapkan, kita semua ada postensi boleh sama nabi mohd meditasi dan lihat essense benda.
saya tak usah nak susah susah paksa you faham. sebab muslims di msia dibesarkan sebagai muslim dan tak ada peluang lihat aama lain/pengetahuan ain. sebelum tau apa apa, dah kene terima dah angap ajarang lina salah. so, saya pun buang masa nak you faham, bukan you tak faham, tapi tak nak terima
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Post time 11-6-2014 06:50 PM
Last edited by vikramavardhana on 11-6-2014 11:13 AM 
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