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[Jenayah]
Tragedi MH17 V4 : Kemungkinan MH17 ditembak jet pejuang Sukhoi?
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US spies agency pun senyap smcm... |
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Kawan I salah sorang yg paling awal ke sana... one of the three yg represent malaysia pergi ke lokasi incident... tp tak sempat contact dia lagi... once I get the conclusion from him I'll write down here |
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mnm77 posted on 12-8-2014 10:23 AM 
Aku suspect, mula-mula MH17 ditembak fighter jet, tapi tak berapa tepat.... tak meletup terus... b ...
Initial investigations on the MH 17 Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), one of the two blackboxes retrieved at the crash site found ‘nothing unusual’ in the aircraft. The device has been downloaded by United Kingdom’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) which revelas that no indication that the pilot have detected anything unusual. The CVR recorded all communications from the ill-fated aircraft including communications with the Air Traffic Controller (ATC), discussion between the flight crew, cabin announcement as well as conversations with the cabn crew entering the cockpit. There is no indication that any of the pilots saw or sense anything off.
petik dari link atas, mlaysia flying herald, tq owner.
no need for another shot. Once the projectiles or shrapnel tembus kokpit tuh, u can rest assured, nothing left alive in the cockpit, kalau tak hit by the shrapnel pon, the sudden rapid decompression pon dah rendered them incapacitated. More over, the projectiles n shrapnels ada yg dgn incindiary munition, dah bakar all the aircraft sistem and rendered them inop. Itu pasal no radio call.
klu tengok video yg menunjukkan kapal tu kena tembak n jatuh sampai bawah, tak nampak pon fighter jet buat second round to finish them off. Kapai tu pecah sbb structural integrity peswat dah lemah akibat penangan projectiles n shrapnels, dlm video boleh tengok berapa minit jer kapal jatuh dari 33000 kaki ke ground. Klu 3 minit means rate of descend kapai tu dlm 10000 kaki seminit. That is very much above tolerance kapai tu. Dah la structural damage lagi, bertambah kurang la tolerancenya pada gforce. Dlm keadaan biasa pon 6000 kaki seminit pon dah x sedap, ni kan pulak dah bocor n retak sana sini.
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kentutmanis posted on 7-8-2014 01:00 AM
sampai skang ni i tetap pcaye yg prorusia yg salah n mmg betul buk missile yg tmbk jatuh psawat mas, kalu betul pon su25 ukraine boleh tembak mh17 tetap xleh terbang pd paras 33ribu kaki mcm mh17 so mmg xlogik kene tembak by sukhoi
Mula-mula saya pun fikir macam tu sebab baca berita pro barat... ketahuilah semua berita pro barat ditapis ejen yahudi... ada maklumat awal yang terlepas, tetapi maklumat yang kemudian semuanya tuduh pro russia.. macam diberi arahan supaya buat macam tu.
Ukraine pula lagi tak boleh percaya, mula-mula tuduh BUK ditembak dari Russia... kemudian ubah kata dari kawasan Ukraine yang dikuasai pro Russia... kantoi berkali-kali yang saya dah muak dengan maklumat dari SBU Ukraine...
Ok, pasal sukhoi yang terbang 33 ribu kaki tu, memang itu ketinggian siling jet fighter tu... Russia ada buat edit pada wikipedia menyatakan tahap maksimum ketinggian yang boleh dicapai oleh jet fighter tu. Cepat sungguh media barat kata Russia kantoi edit wikipedia.... itu bukan kantoi, itu memberi maklumat yang lebih tepat! Tapi dikata kantoi. SBU dah kantoi pasal audio recording, pasal gambar BUK312, tak satu pun media barat kata kantoi? Nampak tak betapa tak adil...?
Satu lagi, kalau MH17 terbang 350 (35 ribu kaki), jet fighter tu tak mampu ikut... sebab tu ATC Ukraine arah suruh terbang 330 (33 ribu kaki). Ini disahkan oleh MAS sendiri. ATC Ukraine bagi alasan trafik... TIPU.... mana ada flight lain yang terbang pada 350!!! Ada Singapore Airline kat belakang, Indian Airline kat depan.... tak ada trafik lain melainkan ada 2 jet yang nak ikut MH17....dan pilot Air India sendiri dengar arahan ATC Ukraine pada MH17 supaya divert dari laluan normal (waypoint to waypoint) kepada direct routing sehingga masuk ke kawasan BUK yang bersedia untuk menembak.
Ukraine dah banyak kali kantoi, sampai ATC recording pun mereka tak mahu dedahkan. BBC Canada pada awal melaporkan yang SBU Ukraine dah confiscate ATC Recording. Bukti:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28360784
00:50:
US Vice-President Joe Biden said he believed the incident was not an accident, and the plane was "blown out of the sky".
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A Sydney Morning Herald report says immediately after MH17's crash, four more airliners followed the same path and did not re-route: Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Kazakhstan Airlines and Etihad.
03:13:
Data on MH17's flight route by flightradar24 suggests the plane had deviated slightly from its usual route and flew across the length of Ukraine.
(Note: Pilot of Indian Air reported to have heard the Ukrainian ATC give ‘direct routing’ instead of normal route, Times of India, 20th July 2014)
· 13:06: Floraltributes at the entrance to Schiphol Airport in memory of the victims ofMalaysia Airlines Flight MH17. One card reads: "Holland is mourning. Theworld is in shock. This should have never happened." · Ukrainianprime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk tweets: #MH17 attack - internationalcrime against humanity. Russian-led terrorists will face justice. Govtcommitted to ensure prompt investigation (Note: ArseniyYatsenyuk resigned on 24th July 2014, but rejected by the UkrainianParliament) · 15:29: Ukraine'sSBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations betweenUkrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, asource in Kiev has told Interfax news agency.
Why instantly confiscate ATC recordings after Ukrainian PM have publicly made a statement that the Ukrainian government committed to ensure PROMPT investigation?
Last edited by mnm77 on 12-8-2014 11:02 AM
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zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 10:41 AM
no need for another shot.
There is a NEED for another shot using surface to air missile, so that they can blame pro Russian!
Blaming the BUK being supplied by Russian! to save their ass...
Last edited by mnm77 on 12-8-2014 11:00 AM
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mnm77 posted on 12-8-2014 10:56 AM
There is a NEED for another shot using surface to air missile, so that they can blame pro Russian! ...
Did u see a fighter shooting at the mh17 in d first place?
do u know the flight envelope of a frogfoot?
Depa dok kata frogfoot dok shadow mh17, at 33000 feet? Max ceiling for a frogfoot is around 23000 feet.
Again u r saying on ur assumption bcos that is what u wanna believe, without taking into account facts and scientific evidence. Soory for you.
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zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:01 AM
Did u see a fighter shooting at the mh17 in d first place?
do u know the flight envelope of a frogfoot?
Depa dok kata frogfoot dok shadow mh17, at 33000 feet? Max ceiling for a frogfoot is around 23000 feet.
Again u r saying on ur assumption bcos that is what u wanna believe, without taking into account facts and scientific evidence. Soory for you.
Ok i'll answer politely to you... hope you can answer me some of my queries as well...
1. I did not see a fighter shot down MH17, it is a theory that might have basis, might be it was not shot by a fighter jet. However, do you agree two fighter jets were there as detected by Rotov ATC?
2. Did you see MH17 being shot by BUK?
3. Do you know who manufacture frogfoot? I'll open my discussion further if you deliver all of your scientific evidence.
Thanks.
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Until now, ATC recording belum direlease lagi dari pehak ukraine. Belah barat pun mintak macam tak nak jer.. Nak tau juga kenapa MH17 kena vector hala kelain, kapal kapal lain tak pulak kena macam tu..
Air to air missile tak semestinya ditembak dari level yang sama, can be shot from the lower or higher level than the target.
video recording yang tersebar luas, ramai yang share kat FB pun bukanya pesawat B777.
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zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:01 AM
Did u see a fighter shooting at the mh17 in d first place?
do u know the flight envelope of a fro ...
Best lah...teruskan dgn fakta captain. |
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1)rotov atc tu russian...so russian story to back their version of story
2) the damage shown was verified due to SAM
3) so what if its manufactured by the ruskies? U think facts of flight envelope is a big secret?
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kelana36 posted on 12-8-2014 11:09 AM
Until now, ATC recording belum direlease lagi dari pehak ukraine. Belah barat pun mintak macam tak n ...
Nothing concrete menunjukkan kapai tu deviate from flight path. Another story to coverina?
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Ha... perbincangan mcm ni yg seronok nak di baca.... tp dah nak dekat katup dah benang ni.,,,,, |
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djflux2000 posted on 12-8-2014 11:13 AM
Best lah...teruskan dgn fakta captain.
Captain? Errrr.... Tq for the honor. |
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zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:21 AM
Captain? Errrr.... Tq for the honor.
Captain tu dia maksudkan capt kelana lah bro... tp kalau you nak jd captain pun boleh jugak... orang tak tau pun 
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kelana36 posted on 12-8-2014 11:09 AM
Until now, ATC recording belum direlease lagi dari pehak ukraine. Belah barat pun mintak macam tak n ...
Sekejap rusky ni kata ar to air, sekejap 30mm rounds, boleh pi ligan lg kapai tgh drop utk tembak tang kokpit bagi make sure pilot tak leh buat mayday call, as a pilot urself, u believe them?
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scorpionkiki posted on 12-8-2014 11:23 AM
Captain tu dia maksudkan capt kelana lah bro... tp kalau you nak jd captain pun boleh jugak... ora ...
Owh... Tq for rectifying...huhu.. I thot ppl thot i captain oready, hehe...thats an honor bcos very hard to find ppl like that...hehe
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zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 07:18 AM
Nothing concrete menunjukkan kapai tu deviate from flight path. Another story to coverina?
It was clearly shown by the russian, the radar history of all the aircrafts yang berada di kawasan tersebut, siap dengan altitude, heading, speed.. nampak jelas MH17 turn to left off the airways, after about 15 miles off the route, flying parallel track for few minutes, was asked to turn back to the right ( direct to, as heard by the Air India ) and few second after that MH17 dissappeared from the radar screen. And all this tak dinafikan oleh Ukraine or the american.
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zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:26 AM
Owh... Tq for rectifying...huhu.. I thot ppl thot i captain oready, hehe...thats an honor bcos ver ...
Tak pa... teruskan perbincangan berilmiah mcm ni... tp sad pulak sbb nak dekat habis vol ni...selalu bila nak habs tak ramai orang baca.
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zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:15 AM
1)rotov atc tu russian...so russian story to back their version of story
If you want to disprove Rostov ATC, then you should refer Ukraine ATC.... what happen? Nobody in the west really cares about Ukraine ATC at the moment. Still want to blame Russia?
2) the damage shown was verified due to SAM
Ok. Is the report official? Verified by who? Or backed by Kiev? You know, Kiev have been reporting things before the official report comes out. Playing with media to confuse many people....Did you notice?
3) so what if its manufactured by the ruskies? U think facts of flight envelope is a big secret?
It is disputable. Modifications to the later version can be made... not a big secret but the info can be outdated
Last edited by mnm77 on 12-8-2014 11:34 AM
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Post time 12-8-2014 10:29 AM
