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The Deity of Jesus Christ (Ketuhanan Yesus Kristus)
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Paulus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The name Paulus is a nomen of ancient Rome, while also appearing as the cognomen for other Romans. It may also refer to the following:
1 Roman and Byzantine empire
2 Christianity
2.1 Popes
2.2 Other
3 Other
4 Surname
5 See also
Roman and Byzantine empire
Paul (jurist) or Julius Paulus (Second Century AD), a Roman jurist
Paulus Catena (-362), a Roman notary
Lucius Aemilius Paulus Macedonicus (229 BC-160 BC), a Roman general
Christianity
Popes
Pope Paul I (Pope from 757 |
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Originally posted by wattttb at 28-3-2008 12:23 AM 
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
TENTANG PAUL INI...DIA ADALAH RASUL. YANG MEMILIH DIA ADALAH JESUS.
BUKAN ...
Tiada kata-kata Jesus (mungkin kamu boleh tunjukkan-TQ) mengatakan Ia memilih paul sebagai rasul, melainkan kata-kata paul sendiri:
"It is expedient for me to boast; nothing is to be gained by it, but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.." 2 Corinthians 12:1-5
Itu pun Dia sendiri tidak pasti dengan 'Visions' itu.. siapa yang dia nampak, "whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell" dan apa yang dia dengar "and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawfull for a man to utter".
siapa yang paul jumpa ?, kerana sebelum ini melalui pengakuan paul sendiri, dia adalah musuh kristian nombor satu.
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Paul dulu adalah Saul, dan dia merupakan persecutor of Christian, dia nampak je Christian, BUNUH, TANGKAP, dan sbgnya. Tapi after dia dapat vision, dia tak buat apa yang perlu dibuatnya, manakala Paul mengembangkan Christianity.
Lagipun, kalaulah Paul tu false teacher, Disciples Jesus lain tak tau ke? Memang senang bagi Apostles lain untuk tau siapa false teacher.
Moreover, Paul's msgs are centered on Christ!! Paul tidak mengagungkan sendiri, tapi centered on Christ!! Beliau pun kata, beliau tidak mau tau apa-apa kecuali yang tentang Christ. |
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Originally posted by Shwein1990 at 28-3-2008 05:05 PM 
Paul dulu adalah Saul, dan dia merupakan persecutor of Christian, dia nampak je Christian, BUNUH, TANGKAP, dan sbgnya. Tapi after dia dapat vision, dia tak buat apa yang perlu dibuatnya, manakala ...Lagipun, kalaulah Paul tu false teacher, Disciples Jesus lain tak tau ke? Memang senang bagi Apostles lain untuk tau siapa false teacher.
Memang ada Murid Jesus yang mengetahui tentang perkara ini, dan paul serta merta menafikan dengan menyatakan kalau malaikat dari syurga sekalipun mengikuti selain gospelnya sendiri akan dilaknat (seolah dia itu tuhan);
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:6-9
Dan satu lagi pengakuan paul tentang perbezaan Gospel di zamannya:
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been thoroughly made manifest among you in all things." 2 Corinthians 11:3-6
Kalau lain-lain gospel yang bertentangan dengan paul tiada.. masakan paul berasa bimbang kerana dia sedar dia ni "rude in speech, yet not in knowledge" semata-mata berpegang kepada manifest dalam semua perkara.
[ Last edited by Nazrulism at 28-3-2008 08:17 PM ] |
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IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
Originally posted by Nazrulism at 28-3-2008 04:49 PM 
Tiada kata-kata Jesus (mungkin kamu boleh tunjukkan-TQ) mengatakan Ia memilih paul sebagai rasul, melainkan kata-kata paul sendiri:
"It is expedient for me to boast; nothing is to be gained ...
KEBENARAN TENTANG SAUL ( PAUL)
ACTS 9: 10-16
In Damascus there was a disciple named ANANIAS. THE LORD called to him in a vision, " ANANIAS!" "Yes, LORD," he answered.
THE LORD told him, "GO TO THE HOUSE OF JUDAS ON THE STRAIGHT STREE AND ASK FOR A MAN FROM TARSUS NAMED SAUL. FOR HE IS PRAYING. |
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Reply #307 Nazrulism's post
Yea.... memang masa tu ade banyak false teachings. Tetapi,12 Apostles yang dipilih oleh Jesus tidak menafikan Paul. mereka work together. Paul preach to the Gentiles and Peter preach to the Jews. Kalau Paul yang bagi false teachingsi, tentu Apostles Jesus akan rebuke dia kan? Disciples yang saya maksudkan actually are the Apostles. Paul tidak menafikan ajaran Apostles Jesus.Yang Paul menafikan adalah false teachings yang tidak sama dengan ajaran yang dibagi oleh Jesus kepada Apostles.
tambahan pula, Tuhan telah beritahu Ananias tentang Paul. |
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Originally posted by wattttb at 28-3-2008 08:44 PM
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
KEBENARAN TENTANG SAUL ( PAUL)
ACTS 9: 10-16
In Damascus there was a ...
1.Ananias ini siapa pula... dapat vision macam paul juga ke?
2.kejadian ACTS 9: 10-16 semasa Jesus hidup atau selepas paul dapat visionnya (2 Corintians 12:1-5) ?
Hey Nazrulism, thank for wonderful question. It usefull for us all.
For you information, the 12 Disciple are :-
- PETER
- JOHN
- JAMES
- ANDREW
- PHILIP
- THOMAS
- BARTHOLOMEW
- MATTHEW
- JAMES SON OF ALPHEUS
- SIMON THE ZEALOT
- THADDAEUS
- MATTHIAS ( REPLACE JUDAS)
The 12 Disciple's receive THE HOLY SPIRIT during The Pentecost.
3.Tiadakah kata-kata Jesus berkaitan paul pada 12 Disciple seperti diatas ? |
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Reply #309 Shwein1990's post
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Reply #307 Nazrulism's post
St Paul setiap kali habis pergi traveling, dia akan berjumpa st.Peter untuk mengesahkan ajaran..
Lagi pun selain St.paul, st.Peter, St.Mathew, st. John.St dan Para rasul lain ada, untuk memastikan ajaran Kristian adalah sama.
Antara Para rasul, St. John adalah rasul terakhir yang meninggal...tetapi di masih lagi mengajar agama kristian seperti st.Paul dan lain2..
St. Thomas merupakan Rasul yang paling jauh berkelana menyebar agama kristian ker India...
Semua ajaran Kristian tetap sama bang..
Para Rasul berapa orang? Umat kristian yang diajar sendiri oleh Yesus dan Para Rasul berapa orang? Semuanya bersependapat Yesus itu tuhan...kemudian barulah datang st. Paul... |
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IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
Originally posted by Nazrulism at 28-3-2008 09:27 PM
1.Ananias ini siapa pula... dapat vision macam paul juga ke?
2.kejadian ACTS 9: 10-16 semasa Jesus hidup atau selepas paul dapat visionnya (2 Corintians 12:1-5) ?
3.Tiadakah kata-kata J ...
!2 Pengikut JESUS adalah yang akan Duduk di atas 12 Taktha bangsa Israel.
Mereka menerima HOLY SPIRIT ketika Pentecost.
Manakala St. Paul pula...JESUS Memilih DIA sebagai InstrumentNYA menyebar BERITA GEMBIRA Kepada Gentiles dan juga Israel. St. Paul Menerima ROH KUDUS ketika ANANIAS memberkati DIA.
MAY GOD BLESS
AMEN
FROM WATT |
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Reply #307 Nazrulism's post
Tafsiran anda terhadap ayat itu ternyata salah..
Lagipun sebelum St.Paul memeluk kristian, Para Rasul seperti yang telah diajar sendiri oleh Yesus, beriman bahawa Yesus adalah tuhan menjadi manusia.. |
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Originally posted by shalom at 28-3-2008 09:34 PM 
St Paul setiap kali habis pergi traveling, dia akan berjumpa st.Peter untuk mengesahkan ajaran..
Lagi pun selain St.paul, st.Peter, St.Mathew, st. John.St dan Para rasul lain ada, untuk memastikan ajaran Kristian adalah sama.
Kalau ada perbincangan seperti yang kamu maksudkan, Kenapa paul kata begini ?;
"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11-12
Antara Para rasul, St. John adalah rasul terakhir yang meninggal...tetapi di masih lagi mengajar agama kristian seperti st.Paul dan lain2..
Paul pun masih nampak Disciples lain tidak melaksanakan gospel 'vision'nya dengan berkata;
"I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel." Galatians 2:14
St. Thomas merupakan Rasul yang paling jauh berkelana menyebar agama kristian ker India...
Pada paul Disciples lain malas, dia sahaja yang bekerja kuat menyebarkan doktrin trinity;
"...I labored more abundantly than they all" 1 Corinthians 15:10.
Semua ajaran Kristian tetap sama bang..
Sama dari segi mana?.. boleh tolong jelaskan tak Abangggggggggggg ! 
p/s: Kalau nak tahu apa-apa tentang Islam... sila masuk Forum Muslimin dan Muslimat.
. Kalau saya terangkan dekat sini... nanti langgar peraturan pulak.(err rasanya kita ada jumpa dekat RSF ) |
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Dr. Arnold Meyer says: "If by Christianity we understand faith in Christ as the heavenly Son of God, who did not belong to earthly humanity, but who lived in the divine likeness and glory, who came down from heaven to earth, who entered humanity and took upon himself a human form through a virgin, that he might make propitiation for men's sins by his own blood upon the cross, who was then awakened from death and raised to the right hand of God, as the Lord of his own people, who believe in him, who hears their prayers, guards and leads them, who will come again with the clouds of heaven to judge the world, who will cast down all the foes of God, and will bring his own people with him unto the home of heavenly light so that they may become like His glorified body - if this is Christianity, then such Christianity was founded by St. Paul and not by our Lord"
Dr. Arnold Meyer, Professor of Theology, Zurich University, Jesus or Paul, p. 122 |
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IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
Originally posted by Nazrulism at 29-3-2008 09:44 AM
Dr. Arnold Meyer says: "If by Christianity we understand faith in Christ as the heavenly Son of God, who did not belong to earthly humanity, but who lived in the divine likeness and glory, who ca ...
Dear Friend,
St. Paul is not The Christian Foundation.
CHRISTIAN mean People who belive in JESUS CHRIST.
THE FOUNDATION OF "THE CHRISTIAN" IS JESUS HIMSELF.
MAY GOD GOD BLESS
AMEN
FROM WATT |
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Reply #317 wattttb's post
yes
saya membenarkannya
tapi nak tanya satu
tolong terangkan maksud perkataan CHRISTIAN - dlm bahasa malaysia
terima kasih |
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Originally posted by wattttb at 29-3-2008 08:48 PM
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE
Dear Friend,
St. Paul is not The Christian Foundation.
CHRISTIAN mean People who belive in JESUS CHRIST.
THE FOUNDATION OF "THE CHRISTIAN" IS JESUS HIMSELF
Betul.. Faundationnya oleh Jesus tapi paul yang mencorakkannya!
Gereja Trinitarian (Rom) merasakan amat perlu untuk menghapuskan tanpa kesan semua Gospel yang ditulis sebelum 325AD bila mereka secra rasmi memperkenalkan triniti kepada dunia. Kerana itu terdapat banyak percanggahan yang sangat ketara dalam bible walaupun dalam perkara paling asas, Semua tahu saul of tarsus (paul) adalah penulis kebanyakan kandungan NT seperti Roman, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galantians, Ephisian, Phillipians, Colosians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1&2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon dan Hebrews. Jika disingkap sejarah Nicaea Council bagaimana pemilihan Gospel dilakukan dibawah pengawasan dan tekanan Gereja Trinitarian (Gereja asal penyembahan Soil-Invictus-Tuhan Matahari orang Rom). Dari situlah bermulanya Doktrin triniti, Cristmas (25 Dis), Ester dan Sabbath(sabtu kepada ahad).
[ Last edited by Nazrulism at 29-3-2008 10:28 PM ] |
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Sorry, the author of Hebrew is still unknown. And when choosing the Gospel, it was inspired by the Holy Spirit. And LATER ON, scholars found that the 4 four gospels somehow related to prophecies in Ezekiel which is from the OT. The Lion, Ox, Man, and Eagle.
And all your stories are ur imaginations and they are opinions of those who opposed Christianity and those who are againsting Paul.
Doktrin Trinity dah lama existed tetapi tidak "didoktrinkan'.
Thank you |
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Post time 27-3-2008 06:56 PM
