Worldwide famine soon...

Sephiroth

by Debmey

People all over the world used ozone depleting stuff, not just westerners. Please do not point fingers at others and not to ourselves.

Environmentalists are contradicting each other, some say we are experiencing global warming because of greenhouse gases, others say we are approaching ice age. Who do we believe? How is it both groups have opposite conclusions about the world? BTW, a lot of greenhouse gases comes from Asia. check out China.

Do you know what Greenhouse effect or not? Or Global Warming and how it could contribute to Ice Age?

Industry starts in West at least 50 years before it starts in the East. And if you watch National Geography and Discovery channel's Hour Asia, you will see that most industies in Asia (China and Japan included) are still maintaining their traditional way of doing things for things like silk production, tea and others such.

Electronic equipment manufacturing is a new industry and you have no choice but to use a lot of fuel and generate a lot of waste.

But in the West, almost 90% of all productions there uses modern methods which will generate a lot of waste. They take raw materials and use it as fuel - stim engines, petrol engines, and all the way to Nuclear powers which cause several accidents up to 1985.

West invented things like CFC and chemicals like that and release it to the air. WHAT chemicals did East invented?

Who is the one who are in race to built new, safer technology to the environment using energy supply which is clean? USA? Europe? NO, Japan is the leading researcher when it produces cars which can run on hidrogen and solar panels. US still lacking behind.

Who has better at maintaining the forest heritage in the world? US and Europe? No ... Asia countries.

Who still holds morale and good behaviors as basis of human interaction and society? US and Europe? No ... Asia countries which is still full of their heritage and culture.

In ALL things, the East is better than the West.

Yes. In fact, Japan is the first country who came up with planting tree & growing plants on top of the buildings's empty space. They have now enter a stage where the roof of house is covered with grass. That lowers the temperature. I thought Singapore is emulating that Deb.

Debmey

Do you know what Greenhouse effect or not? Or Global Warming and how it could contribute to Ice Age?

And yu still haven't explained one leads to another. What kinda science are yu refering to?

Industry starts in West at least 50 years before it starts in the East. And if you watch National Geography and Discovery channel's Hour Asia, you will see that most industies in Asia (China and Japan included) are still maintaining their traditional way of doing things for things like silk production, tea and others such.

Should we then stop all industrialisation?

Electronic equipment manufacturing is a new industry and you have no choice but to use a lot of fuel and generate a lot of waste.

no choice yu say?

But in the West, almost 90% of all productions there uses modern methods which will generate a lot of waste. They take raw materials and use it as fuel - stim engines, petrol engines, and all the way to Nuclear powers which cause several accidents up to 1985.

Not true, check out Beijing and yu will see that the traditional methods are even more polluting.
And greenhouse gases don't just come from industrialisation. Ever heard of rice farming producing methane?

West invented things like CFC and chemicals like that and release it to the air. WHAT chemicals did East invented?

Two things to take note. can yu explain how CFC produced on earth depletes the ozone up in the atnosphere?
What chemicals did the east invent? I dunno, but I do know that the east use CFCs too.

Who is the one who are in race to built new, safer technology to the environment using energy supply which is clean? USA? Europe? NO, Japan is the leading researcher when it produces cars which can run on hidrogen and solar panels. US still lacking behind.

Are japanese driving feul cell cars yet? How many?

Who has better at maintaining the forest heritage in the world? US and Europe? No ... Asia countries.

Really? Look at Indonesia and China.

Who still holds morale and good behaviors as basis of human interaction and society? US and Europe? No ... Asia countries which is still full of their heritage and culture.

Ever heard of sweat shops, dangerous work conditions & child labour?

In ALL things, the East is better than the West.

so why are child labour found only in Asia?

Debmey

hold on just a minute, so just how is GM food harmful and famine causing?

>>hold on just a minute, so just how is GM food harmful and famine causing?
<<

if u are so keen - you ll find your own explanation

Debmey

I guess yu are right whitepig. I may find an explanation but it won't have anything to do with science.

cheers

Here's i just found out:
"The world's first genetically modified wheat is to be shelved because of consumer resistance"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3702739.stm

p/s: what happened to misled? He's been banned?

Debmey

Yu see, it was for emotive reasons, not scientific ones. Just like the ban on DDT.

Acong

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-5-2004 08:49 AM:
There is no scientific evidence to shown such linkages. Americans have been eating GM food for decades and so have we. In other words, there are absolutely no grounds at all to doubt GM food.

Originally posted by whitepig at 11-5-2004 09:11 AM:
There is no scientific evidence to shown god exists
to u debbie,
anything american is good.
human beings can be god by playing god tinkering with genes splicing genes to create debbie out of d ...

then debmey u pray or u just play

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-5-2004 09:49:
There is no scientific evidence to shown such linkages. Americans have been eating GM food for decades and so have we. In other words, there are absolutely no grounds at all to doubt GM food.

When you modify the genes of the plants, there are bound to have an effect. You are changing nature by doing that. It is good that if we allow nature to take its course as our body and health acts with nature. Many health problems these days are due to man changing nature for all kind of purposes such as air pollution from industries and automobiles, causes global warming due to the Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse effect, and many more. When there is an artificial change towards nature that brings imbalance to nature, nature will react to bring back balance.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-5-2004 11:39:
What if? Why don't yu show us any evidence now?
We don't operate on 'what ifs' especially when there are no grounds to support your 'what ifs'.
i don't support or oppose GM food, i just want to ...

We should all not try GM until it is 100% beyond doubt, rather then trying it until you find it to be dangerous, then it will be to late to stop by then.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 11-5-2004 13:51:
by Debmey

People all over the world used ozone depleting stuff, not just westerners. Please do not point fingers at others and not to ourselves.

Environmentalists are contradicting each  ...

I have to say that I fully agree with you on this one.:setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju:

Debmey

Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 2004-5-11 05:03 PM:


When you modify the genes of the plants, there are bound to have an effect. You are changing nature by doing that. It is good that if we allow nature to take its course as our body and health a ...

so where is the scientific evidence of what yu claimed? Evidence please.

Sephiroth

by Debmey

And yu still haven't explained one leads to another. What kinda science are yu refering to?

I thought you clever enough to know how Greenhouse effect works and how it contributes to the Ice Age. My apologizes for overestimating your intelligence. ;)

http://www.epa.gov/globalwarming/kids/greenhouse.html

This site teaches kids about Greenhouse Effect ... I'm sure it will be to your understanding. ;)

Plus ...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl= ... ronment_corals_dc_1

warning from Scientists again about Global Warming.

Should we then stop all industrialisation?

Reducing it could be a first step toward preventing Mass Extinction.
Reduction of Industries could meaning reduction in green house gases.
OR find better agents to use in this industries which will not cause as much hardazous as Greenhouse gases.

no choice yu say?

What choice do you have for PCP product companies? TV production companies? Motorbikes? Cars? WELL?

Not true, check out Beijing and yu will see that the traditional methods are even more polluting.  

And greenhouse gases don't just come from industrialisation. Ever heard of rice farming producing methane?

Put the proof where your mouth is. One thing I have learn is never to trust Abrahamic religions' followers so easily.

Two things to take note. can yu explain how CFC produced on earth depletes the ozone up in the atnosphere?
What chemicals did the east invent? I dunno, but I do know that the east use CFCs too.

You don't know what chemical East invented ... good, that is ALL I need to know. The logical answer here is NONE.

Are japanese driving feul cell cars yet? How many?

Still in development. Japanese are trying to increase speed and milege and another problem is that is it not easy to find pump station for hidrogen. So far, they have succeed in creating vehicles which runs in electrical/solar/hidrogen fuels.

http://www.aurorasolarcar.com/suzuka03/report_04.html

Really? Look at Indonesia and China.

What about Indonesia and China?

Ever heard of sweat shops, dangerous work conditions & child labour?

Ever heard of Porn Industy where the men and women are animals which show off their bodies and feel proud of it? It's a multimillion dollar business in US and UK.

How about designer drugs from scientists who sells their knowledge to be best buyer?

so why are child labour found only in Asia?

Ever heard of White Slavery?

A child maybe forces by his/her family to work in young age (due to financial problem), but in your society, even rich people force others to slavery.

http://free.freespeech.org/ameri ... s/WhiteSlavery.html

http://www.wwnorton.com/nael/victorian/topic_1/besant.htm

http://us.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/25/human.trafficking.ap/

http://www.iabolish.com/today/factsheet.htm

[Qoute]
UNITED STATES: The CIA estimates that 50,000 people are trafficked as sex slaves, domestics, garment, and agricultural slaves [/qoute]

This ain't no fairy tale.

Genetically modified crops were proving resistance not just to bugs & weeds but also to political & financial pressures.

6 million farmers in 16 countries planted GM crops with US accounted for 66% of total biotech. Biotechnology continues 2b the most rapidly adopted technology in agricultural history due to the social & economic benefits the crops offer farmers & society.

9 developing countries: India, Colombia, Honduras, Argentina, China, Uruguay, Mexico, South Africa & Indonesia embraces biotech.

GE plants helps alleviate poverty by improving crop yields & cutting expenses through less use of pesticides. Most popular biotech crops contain bacterium genes that make them resistant to either bugs or weed killers.

Critics say there isn't enough known about their impact on human health or its environment.

GE crops met the most resistance in Europe. US Trade Representative charged that EU ban encouraged several famine-threatened African nations to reject US food relief.

However, true biotech revolution has not happened. Majority of these crops goes to animal feed. Farmers also reject biotech crops because major food companies wouldn't buy them.

70% of processed food in US include biotech crops.

p/s: here's some short article i found in my notebook I cut out from NST newspaper last year.

RedChaSiew

genetically tampered planst are only good for the agri-petrol business giants like Monsanto.

the seeds' survuval is tied to the chemical/fertilisers.

Debmey

wrong, fertilisers are good for all plants, not just GM ones. In fact, the GM ones do better with less fertilisers and pesticides. hahahahahahaha..............

What else RCS?

RedChaSiew

>>wrong, fertilisers are good for all plants, not just GM ones<<

shows u are indeed ignorant in the field of seeds, biochemistry and plant genetics. go back into your HDB flat & xxxxxxxxxx




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http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.html#monsanto

the best read on monsanto. debbie continue with your hand activity...

Debmey

I still don't see any scientific evidence against GM crop. Where? Where are teh scientific evidences?