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Hear my word all of you! U believe what u want to believe and they believe on what they want to believe. Don't jugde other! Have your religion teach you nothing! Islam or christian like harmony. So be it and let the thing happen to be there!

Truth.8

Originally posted by Lord Elrond at 16-1-2004 10:02 PM:
Hear my word all of you! U believe what u want to believe and they believe on what they want to believe. Don't jugde other! Have your religion teach you nothing! Islam or christian like harmony. So ...

now which former muslim are u?  not judging but need to know. get that into your nut brain.

kid

Truth.8

I guess you have a good imagination here...

Khalifah has once told "Hey the stone, if I never saw the prophet kiss you I would never want to kiss you"

- There is no compulsory to kiss the stone
- It is adviced not to feel in heart any faith to the stone
- Kissing the stone just because bringing back memory of prophet... remember prophet kissed the stone before
- Muslim believe this stone is unique... and that's all

and regarding your claim:

- No shaving hair is compulsory on Friday
- You can use any color of clothes

Conclusion:

- Islam is a very strict religion about the submission to God, we are prohibited to put pictures, statue, and any kind of idolship....

So ... the stone is just a stone, and kaabah made to uniformed the direction of Sholat (pray). We are prohibited to put in heart any praise other than Allah.

Salam - Kid

Truth.8

yeah yeah i heard all those bla bla bla BUT:

I need photos inside the room:

where is :

table to keep perfume ( need pics)

lanterns   ( need pics)

2-3 pillars ( need pics)


not drawn pis but real pics

kid

Truth.8

We also want to know the photos inside kaabah... just curious, but it is difficult to get, maybe impossible, we only heard story from the people who fortunate to go inside. According to story... as I heard from the Islamic leader and peoples who maintain the kaabah... nothing inside except few stuff belong to Muhammad SAW.

Why the photos is very difficult to get? because we are afraid Muslim may put faith on the things inside there... as far as I know... the things is the stuff belong to prophet Muhammad, just like museum... I don't know for sure the exact stuff inside. But the important thing is... we are prohibited to idolise things... we only allowed to pray to Allah.... so that's why is not encouraged to take picture inside.... not only that... there is no picture of Muhammad SAW, have you ever see picture of him or statue??

This may answer your doubt why we don't have picture or anything related to it.

Best wishes - Kid

Truth.8

Originally posted by kid at 17-1-2004 01:38 AM:
Truth.8

We also want to know the photos inside kaabah... just curious, but it is difficult to get, maybe impossible, we only heard story from the people who fortunate to go inside. According to story... as I heard from the Islamic leader and peoples who maintain the kaabah... nothing inside except few stuff belong to Muhammad SAW.

Why the photos is very difficult to get? because we are afraid Muslim may put faith on the things inside there... as far as I know... the things is the stuff belong to prophet Muhammad, just like museum... I don't know for sure the exact stuff inside. But the important thing is... we are prohibited to idolise things... we only allowed to pray to Allah.... so that's why is not encouraged to take picture inside.... not only that... there is no picture of Muhammad SAW, have you ever see picture of him or statue??

This may answer your doubt why we don't have picture or anything related to it.

Best wishes - Kid
...

they are  millions muslims around world, don't tell me u can't get petition to sign and forward to Arab Gov?

U and rest of the muslims has every right to question and take snap pic inside the room because your paying huge money to performs hajj.

I am not asking millions muslims to enter that room but pics. very simple and yet giving too much crap excuses.

seeing is believing.

we did not witness Muhammad disposed off those idols during his time, so we can now witness to observed whether there is any  idols or not. why must keep it has 'forbidden'? if nothing inside, show it and snap pics?

even there is NO idols, at least snap pics:

2 lanterns
table to keep perfumes
2-3 pillars

do it now!!! Otherwise I am going to hve doubt feeling.

did not your koran says"

if any doubt, investigate immediately without any further delay.

[ Last edited by Truth.8 on 17-1-2004 at 10:49 AM ]

sonny~~

Originally posted by kid at 2004-1-17 01:38 AM:
Truth.8

We also want to know the photos inside kaabah... just curious, but it is difficult to get, maybe impossible, we only heard story from the people who fortunate to go inside. According to  ...

But the important thing is... we are prohibited to idolise things... we only allowed to pray to Allah.... so that's why is not encouraged to take picture inside.... not only that... there is no picture of Muhammad SAW, have you ever see picture of him or statue??

that makes sense
muslims r prohibited to idolize things say a photo of inside kaaba.  no wonder takin photos inside it r not allowed

christians r also prohibited to idolize things say man jesus.  but trinity n twit twinity did it for blind faith reasons.  they bow wow to man jesus.  pity

on the other hand unitarian christians idolize nuthin cept bow to ONE N ONLY ONE GOD

btw kiddie er KID, welcome aboard
methinks me hang around whereever u r n c how u tick  :bg:

peace

Truth.8

the question remain:

I need photos:

2-3 pillars
2 lanterns
table to keep perfumes

whether idols or not just snap photos inside the room.

don't tell me there is chemical weapon kept there?

Truth.8

btw sonny, do u believed muhammad is last messenger??? YES or NO. i not interested with your too long winded shit stories. Simple as YES or NO.

do u believed Allah is God of Jews? YES OR NO.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-1-17 10:48 AM:
the question remain:

I need photos:

2-3 pillars
2 lanterns
table to keep perfumes

whether idols or not just snap photos inside the room.

don't tell me there is chemical weapon ...

why u need photos:

2-3 pillars
2 lanterns
table to keep perfumes?  why?  :bg:

peace

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-1-17 10:50 AM:
btw sonny, do u believed muhammad is last messenger??? YES or NO. i not interested with your too long winded shit stories. Simple as YES or NO.

do u believed Allah is God of Jews? YES OR NO.

good
we goin somewhere other than ur prattlin where where where

2 questions from u n 2 questions from me.  yes or no?  otherwise me no answer u.  deal?  :bg:

peace

kid

Truth.8

May I point out your misconception according to Islam... please dont think that I say you were wrong, but maybe you do not understand Islam standpoint;

They are  millions muslims around world, don't tell me u can't get petition to sign and forward to Arab Gov?
U and rest of the muslims has every right to question and take snap pic inside the room because your paying huge money to performs hajj.

My friend....we try to get get petition for what? to be laughed by the Arab gov? because this is nothing secret and the photos is available, even entering the room is possible. Many people already entered kaabah... what the reason for it?

This is misconception my friend, hajj is not to flying to Mecca and go there to see kaabah.... it has nothing to do with what is inside kaabah.

I am not asking millions muslims to enter that room but pics. very simple and yet giving too much crap excuses.
seeing is believing.

I would like to get your attention that in islam photo is just a photo and nothing holy about it... even it is prohibited to put faith even as small as atom to the photo. Thus I believe the photo is commonly available at Masjidil haram authority and probably available through internet. as I once saw the photo.. but I forgot in what website ... of course we can see the photo and what is so secret about it?? :2cool:

I my self want to see the photo of it, but I don't think that it is so important as you think

we did not witness Muhammad disposed off those idols during his time, so we can now witness to observed whether there is any  idols or not. why must keep it has 'forbidden'?

Are you suggesting that it is forbidden to enter kaabah because there are idols inside? My friend... it is something funny to Islam standpoint, and it is hilarious to Muslim. The most sinful act is paganism or idolatry, and why we have to put idol inside kaabah?

Imagine, millions of Muslim doing hajj every year, and thus centuries box building can stand millions people rushing inside?

FYI, there is schedule to clean kaabah every year, in if you are lucky to be there you may take a look inside and even if you are luckier you can go inside, as I have one friend who happened very lucky and allowed to go inside when he performed umrah. And it is common that the leader of Islam and Islamic countries has been invited to go inside... example Suharto president of Indonesia and his family has been entered kaabah and they perform sholat inside... will they perform sholat if there is idol inside?

if nothing inside, show it and snap pics? even there is NO idols, at least snap pics:
2 lanterns
table to keep perfumes
2-3 pillars
do it now!!! Otherwise I am going to hve doubt feeling.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that even Muslim can be more Islamic just by to see the photos. Will you become closer to Islam if you see the photos?

This is the reason why the photos are not so popular among the Muslim, because we have no reason to put faith on the photos...

did not your koran says"
if any doubt, investigate immediately without any further delay.

Well... to re-investigate something that is already investigated for centuries?

peace.

Truth.8

hmmmm almost 3 month not even single photos on:

2-3 pillars
2 lanterns
table to keep perfume


table to keep perfume???? or idols????

sonny~~

me know u gonna slink off with ur tail between ur legs with me 2 qustions from u n 2 questions from me challenge

yyyyeeeeehhhhhaaaaahhhhhhh  

[ Last edited by sonny~~ on 20-1-2004 at 05:29 PM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 20-1-2004 05:27 PM:
me know u gonna slink off with ur tail between ur legs with me 2 qustions from u n 2 questions from me challenge

yyyyeeeeehhhhhaaaaahhhhhhh  

[ La ...

but, question still remain:

where is the photos????

[quote]Originally posted by kid at 17-1-2004 03:11 PM:
Truth.8

May I point out your misconception according to Islam... please dont think that I say you were wrong, but maybe you do not understand Islam standpoint;



My friend....we try to get ... [/quote


Cayalah Bro Kids, i like what your explanation very much.. Aku rasa Truth8 tu mmg takde akal.. dr 2 bulan lepas sampai sekarang dia asyik dok mintak gambor walaupun kita dah berbuih explain kat dia mcm2... biarlah truth8 tu berlagak bodoh sombong mcm tu, toksah dilayan dia tu.. Dia akan terus mcm tu selagi dia tak dpt gambar.. Kita explain la mcm mana pun, yg dia tahu "GAMBAR" dan cakap yg bukan2... Aku rasa dia sebenarnya dah tahu dah akan apa yg kita expalin tu cuma dia saje berlagak bodoh sombong... truth8 ni tak ubah mcm... apa yea.. ntah lah, takde perkataan yg dpt menggambarkan sifat dia ni... yg paling dekat ialah "Bangang"... alaaa mcm keldai tuuu.. mcm tu lah truth8 ni, at least keldai tu boleh jugak dibuat tunggangan,

nasihat saya pd truth8, cubalah hormat org lain kalau kau mahu org lain hormat kau..

Truth.8

leeeee   ingat ada gambor.....tulis tulis tulis aja tapi gambor tak ado


boringgggg

Truth.8

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 20-1-2004 05:08 PM:
hmmmm almost 3 month not even single photos on:

2-3 pillars
2 lanterns
table to keep perfume


table to keep perfume???? or idols????

Truth.8

can i see what inside???

Truth.8

does this look like act of faith??? touching and kissing the stone?





Bowing to God is nothing wrong but why must bow indirectly to Block of Stone (an object)? Why get yourself bruises by banging your head on floor 5 times a day? Is this  how Muslims pleased god?????

Your thought and intention must be free from any object. Muslims first thought is must face the qilat which is an object then comes their intention /or niat of praying. If we are true God followers, we should  follows the 10 commandment which written by God own finger. Then we are God fearing children.

Exodus 20:4,5: "Thou shalt
not make unto  thee  any graven
image, or any likeness of any thing that
is in heaven above [note, the command
is against any  likeness, no matter what
form], or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth :
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to
them, nor SERVE THEM."

The words ANY LIKENESS is so powerful enough for us to understood.  Yet, some Jews and Moslems indirectly bow to block of stone and banging on wall.

As God says that HE is composed of spirit and we should worshipped HIM in spiritual.

Even those beads also consider abomination to towards GOD. HE hates this kind rubbished.  We do not need beads to remaind HIM or chanting HIM. very similar to pagans believed

I bow to GOD too but my thought and intention free from an object.




Muslims believe (without proof) that the revered "black stone" (Alhajar Al-Aswad) is a special divine meteorite, that pre-dates creation that fell at the foot of Adam and Eve. It is presently embedded in the southeastern corner of the Kaba. Muslims touch and kiss the black stone during Hajj but non-Muslims are strictly forbidden to even touch it.



[ Last edited by Truth.8 on 3-2-2004 at 01:14 AM ]